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Why do so many DPS use Restos in PVE?
TheGreatBlackBear
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This is genuinely baffling. What could compel you to do something like that? There are no skills that deal damage under the Resto skill line. What could possibly make you think that this is a good idea? I could somewhat understand being tricked into believing that lightning staves are for DPS because of them being destros. But not restos. Come on
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Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's usually inexperienced players that focus mostly on solo play and play ESO like they would Skyrim. It makes sense to them to have 1 damage bar and 1 healing bar.31 -
mocap✭✭✭✭✭
✭could be PvPers or hybrids. Also there isn't that much dps loss when using resto back. Asuming we not talk about Likos parses, for most content you can use resto with no problems.28 -
L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭As far as I know a Lightning staff is DPS and is usually used by Necros. Like wardens use a froststaff more frequently.Edited by L_Nici on January 9, 2020 3:07PMPC|EU7 -
Jaxious79✭✭✭✭Because I want to level it while I'm running around. Why does it matter what staff I use or why I'm using it?35
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Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybe some people don't trust healers.....
Not gunna lie I've probably given people some healer trust issues...you run far ahead of my heals all the time, sry you die. If constantly stood in aoe, sry you die.
@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP14 -
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✭✭People asking this are going to be the ones PUGging the dungeons, and should know that you can't trust the healer role to be filled by a healer. So you bring backup on a PUG.
If you run with a pre-formed group, you won't see it, and won't be asking.
There will also be a number of healers using that combo of staves who can out-DPS you, so you think that's what they are!15 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Maybe some people don't trust healers.....
Not gunna lie I've probably given people some healer trust issues...you run far ahead of my heals all the time, sry you die. If constantly stood in aoe, sry you die.
Not to mention the fake role epidemic that sweeps this games dungeon runs.6 -
BoraxFlux✭✭✭✭✭Perhaps to gain some resources (magica) back when heavy attacking?
Restoration Staff Passive
Cycle of LifeEdited by BoraxFlux on January 9, 2020 3:25PM16 -
Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »
Do not understand this. Seem to be able to do quite a lot of damage with a lightening staff.
Or is this some min/max leaderboard-chasing stuff.13 -
Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SpiderKnight wrote: »
You made me spit my coffee, over my screen, you get an awesome and cookie.@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP2 -
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For PvP resto back-bar is pretty much bis for magic users.could be PvPers or hybrids. Also there isn't that much dps loss when using resto back. Asuming we not talk about Likos parses, for most content you can use resto with no problems.
If leveling its also pretty smart as its very nice to have the staff leveled up.
In dungeon its annoying unless they are healers obviously.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.6 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For some it just might be they are interested in being able to heal others. It can also work fine for a solo build when the back bar being mostly buffs able to run regen for themselves. At dolmens you actually get some XP from healing those getting XP. When this game launched and I as leveling up my first magicka character I gained XP a little bit faster then my friends due to regen hitting other players.
When this game launched Restro/Destro was actually meta for some builds. Not any more. The rstaff had a passive that increased damage done while on that bar. Was good for class skill builds like the Sorc ran back then. Obviously Zos changed that as it was not intended for the rStaff to be a primary DPS weapon for any build. lol1 -
TheGreatBlackBear✭✭✭✭✭
✭SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.Edited by TheGreatBlackBear on January 9, 2020 3:40PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is as consistent as burning.
Historically overland lightning has worked just fine. Even beyond just overland.
Most players do not update their build and really do not need to as most players do not push hard content, they just ESO and chill.24 -
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✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is as consistent as burning.
energized increases shock damage by 5% (sorc passive). So a sorc benefits from AOE as well increased damage using lightning.21 -
Jaxious79✭✭✭✭All you lightning staff haters better get out there and create your own builds.
https://xynodegaming.com/easysorc/
https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/15 -
TheGreatBlackBear✭✭✭✭✭
✭markulrich1966 wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is as consistent as burning.
energized increases shock damage by 5% (sorc passive). So a sorc benefits from AOE as well increased damage using lightning.
Actually not really. The percentage of your DPS that comes from lightning abilities is quite low. Even on a sorc. Light attacks which do benefit from the 8% inferno buff are your single biggest source of damage. And I'm not here to talk about whether you should run a lightning staff on a DPS or not. The point of this thread is to hear from people that use restos In trials, and dungeons and other PVE activities.2 -
Jaxious79✭✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »markulrich1966 wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is as consistent as burning.
energized increases shock damage by 5% (sorc passive). So a sorc benefits from AOE as well increased damage using lightning.
Actually not really. The percentage of your DPS that comes from lightning abilities is quite low. Even on a sorc. Light attacks which do benefit from the 8% inferno buff are your single biggest source of damage. And I'm not here to talk about whether you should run a lightning staff on a DPS or not. The point of this thread is to hear from people that use restos In trials, and dungeons and other PVE activities.
Because they want to and are not required to come to the forums and ask permission.
Well that's what I've got out of this thread.24 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.
Sorcerers get +5% dmg from shock spells, meaning your versatility with wall of shock and lightning flood goes up due to them dealing better aoe and comparable single target. Things like vAS hm or cleaving during trash are still viable here.
Now, to answer the original question, there's a lot of reasons and some folks have already said a few.
They don't trust a healer in a pug (can relate).
They want resource return increase.
They want added utility so you can 3 dps and tank a dungeon.
They're rocking an off meta build that uses healing to buff themselves and others (think SPC with rapid regeneration and/or new springs ands strategies. Works in 3 dps 1 tank or solo very well).
They're a solo player trying group content. (Typically me).
They want magicka drain and berserk and aren't reliant on pug healers (also can relate).
Edited by DocFrost72 on January 9, 2020 3:48PM7 -
caesarvs✭✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »This is genuinely baffling. What could compel you to do something like that? There are no skills that deal damage under the Resto skill line. What could possibly make you think that this is a good idea? I could somewhat understand being tricked into believing that lightning staves are for DPS because of them being destros. But not restos. Come on
That post reminded me of other day when I was pugging vDoM pledge on my tank. The heals popped in was offline for some reason and didnt comeback, so we kick he and 3 man'ed while queueing for replacement. All going fine, no wipes, so in the middle of the orb boss, when one of the dps died and me out of resources, the new healer poped, saved our ass and we kept going fine through dungeon. Before the final boss fight heal died to some of the trash mobs, and it just happened to me see he switching bars, his backbar (or front bar, who knows XD) was barehand. I tought it was just a visual bug and asked him "where is your weapon?" (Just for curiosity). Then he answered that was a one-bar healing only and me and one of the dps like "lulz, thats interesting", but we didnt say anything else. The job was done nicely and didnt drag the group down, so why bother with that. On another ocasion i got a 13k hp stam dps on vWGT run who was dealing most of the damage and surviving better than everyone else.
So my bet is "give them a shot at least". If its bad for group, tell them/complain/kick/leave/whatever9 -
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✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »I could somewhat understand being tricked into believing that lightning staves are for DPS because of them being destros. But not restos. Come on
Err... Lightning staffs are for dps. Absolutely tons of dps builds that utilise Lightning staffs.
Resto staffs return more magica and there are sets that buff resto damage, some builds/players also run hybrids or expect that there wont be an effective healer etc. But that said, Id never use one (or the sets) to employ a resto staff for dps.
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Edited by Grianasteri on January 9, 2020 4:21PM8 -
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✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.
Aoe damage does not contribute to dps apparently... who knew!
fyi, I have concussion/off balance up all the time on my magsorc.
.Edited by Grianasteri on January 9, 2020 4:21PM24 -
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✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »This is genuinely baffling. What could compel you to do something like that? There are no skills that deal damage under the Resto skill line. What could possibly make you think that this is a good idea? I could somewhat understand being tricked into believing that lightning staves are for DPS because of them being destros. But not restos. Come on
I feel like a solid 30-40% of players in this game simply have no idea how to play.
As others have mentioned, might be someone leveling skill lines though.4
