Joinovikova wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I don’t think sorc should be nerfed but I do think streak should be blockable that would be fair imo.

its stupid not fair. why would a ranged class jump right into melee fight then? they nerfed bol already

I dont have problem to make streak blockabke seriosly 95% will not be able to block it, if they make it blockable sorc need Buff sheild at least by 10% or remove cost increase on streak, then why not make it blockable

Because a burst-exclusive class with no means of sustained damage needed to kill tanks needs a way to drop enemy defenses. Why NB has an unblockable+unrolldodgeable CC, why DK has an unblockable+unrolldodgeable CC, but Sorc shouldn't have one? You won't land your burst against competent players if you don't have ways to break opponent's defenses. If streak stun is blockable, then I demand Rune Cage to be unrolldodgeable but range reduced to something like 22m (to be in line with other ranged CCs such as Unrelenting Grip).

Come at me bro....

I actually think ZOS should decrease the cost of this maybe make it spammable...

jadarock wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

DR4GONFL1 wrote: »

Come at me bro....

I actually think ZOS should decrease the cost of this maybe make it spammable...

Pretty sure magdk needs some cost reduction before sorcs ....
I've been running around cyrodiil on a mag sorc this week and the cost of skills vs my dk doesn't even feel close tbh

But on Dk you have more dmg and more resistance just put mag regent on jewelery

Idk im having a hard time killing good players with 2 glyphs on my jewelry and in any prolonged battle I still get out sustained .

How much regen do you have?

Joinovikova wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Each class has advantages over the others in some way or form, this is as it should be.

If we are asking for nerfs all the time, we are all just going to end up bashing each other for eternity.

What class does Nightblades have advantages over? In my experience there doesn't appear to be one, aside from other nightblades.

NB has cloak and Shadow image if you use properli you have best escape option much better then sorc. You have 100% garantem crit . Decend debuffs. The problem is not in Nb but tank setups are to overpower on this patch and nb is generally worst pick class for tank setup.

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 7 skill morphs that are designed specifically to completely turn cloak off. There are potions that make it impossible to cloak for a quarter of a minute, and any AOE ability pulls you out. Can you list the hard counters to Streak please?

As far as shade, while it is definitely a powerful skill, it is infinitely more difficult to use and half the time I use it in a BG I wind up teleporting into a giant AOE cluster****, because that's all BGs are now. Neither skill stuns or does damage. Please explain how any of that is a "much better escape option" than Streak/BOL, where all you have to do is press a button 2 times & you're 30m away and you've stunned & damaged everything in your path.

Also, my question was "What class does Nightblades have advantages over," not what skills do NBs have that others don't. Every class has unique skills, the problem is that nightblades (magblades specifically) are at a serious disadvantage to every class in the game — most classes have skills that completely shut down NB's defenses, and if those aren't to your liking there are potions & generic abilities that will do it for you. Nightblades are the only class that are left out of the "rock, paper, scissors" balancing scheme — basically every other class [snip] on them. Thus, the statement "Each class has advantages over the others in some way or form" is just untrue.

Edit for censor bypass.

1 Every charge ability is counter for streak, after fews attempt mag sorc is out of magice and easy to kill targer, or you can use Channeled Acceleration.
2.NB has unique ability in cloak.
3. People focus on NB,. because mostly of nb players still use two damage set not stack resistance. This is the reason why mostly of NBs are easy target. Probably is also your case. I had similliar problems with my nb, but it disappeared after I changed my set up .
4. NB is defently most skill required class in ESO, because you need to be really fast to be efective, I see main problem in cast time on Death Stroke and morfs y that shoudl be removed or at least reduced to 0,2s,

1. Unless you were anywhere near the sorc or anywhere near the sorc's path, in which case you were stunned & now the sorc is out of range. Also, that is not a "hard counter" — by hard counter, I mean:

A strategy that utterly dominates another strategy, leaving no question of the outcome.
Compare to soft counter. In a soft counter, the strategy being countered can still be victorious through skill or luck. There is no chance of this when a hard counter is used.
ex: Rock-paper-scissors — Rock hard counters scissors, scissors hard counters paper, etc. There is no situation in which scissors will beat rock.

Charge abilities/gap closers are soft counters to Streak. AOEs, detect potions, and detection skills are hard counters to cloak. No such hard counter exists for streak, as far as I am aware.

2. I'm not sure what your point is here, I never said they didn't. In fact, I specifically stated that every class has unique skills. But unique ≠ useful when practically everything in the game completely negates it. Cloak was useful as a defensive mechanism in low & medium MMR BGs, but it is practically useless at whatever tier I am at now. At this point, it's only really useful for my opening attack — and even then, with all the AOE, it's hit or miss.

3. No, the problem is that every other class, when comparably equipped, has far better healing and/or shields and can still do more damage. So not only does the squishiest class in the game have no burst heal or shields, but it's primary defensive skill the easiest (by far) to counter — and on top of that, it still does less damage than the other classes.

4. I'm fine with NBs being more difficult to play — in fact that is a big reason why it's my favorite class. The problem is that at this point, with how much ZOS has gutted the abilities, there's no payoff for playing the more difficult class because every other class is just more capable.

My issue with nightblades (again, specifically magblades) is that if I ever come across an equally skilled or even slightly inferior player on any other class, I'll have absolutely no chance of prevailing unless I get lucky or they get unlucky. It's like if the WNBA All-Star team played the NBA All-Star team — even though both teams are at the peak skill level of their "class" (gender), the game wouldn't even be close because of the inherent strengths that men posses and women do not. (Not a perfect analogy, but good enough.)

[edit] Also, if I'm not mistaken, Teleport Strike used to stun at one point too but everyone complained about it until it got nerfed. I assume there were sorcs involved in that — how was that any different?

First off, sorcs have been nerfed enough, DK as well but, in my opinion quit crying about nerfs and learn how to play if we keep nerfing something because some dont like it we wont have any skills to use, and we will have to go to just light and heavy attacks or just use our fists....

I play on all classes, but streak not being blockable is like giving Sorcs training wheels.

Many NBs are Stam and so don't get much out of Cloak. You can also block the stun from cloak.

However, I find Sorcs pretty easy to kill when on my NB. But those are some perks for playing each class (I don't really find any class difficult for another, it's all about using the right skills at the right time -- as well as knowing the tells of each of the classes).