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MagWarden Theorycrafting Thread

Iskiab
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Magwarden's only my alt, but I noticed there are hardly any theorycrafting threads about the class. Is it like fight club? People don't talk about magwarden?

So I'm 50 and still only assault/support 8 and pvp rank 12 so I'm still new to the class and have a couple questions. My spec is below:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=199801

Any tips people can give me to help improve the spec, besides the obvious stuff like finish leveling dampen magic and get some golds? Some other questions:
- why do most magwardens use living trellis? I haven't finished leveling it to check, but it seems sorta crappy to me
- what's the sweet spot for stamina? My spec desperately needs more stamina, I'm thinking just helm, chest and legs prismatic. Is that enough?

I've started doing really well in BGs but am still getting newer players so ... you know, doesn't count. Being able to take out a team of bow/bow users solo as a magwarden is pretty hilarious though. Any tips to improve?
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  • Metemsycosis
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    Learn how to use the bird spammable and elemental weapon to increase burst during northern storm, fissure combos. It's underrated and not oft used since clench was prior a superior spammable but imo it's an ace up the sleeve.

    I think most gear set ups are kinda boringly obvious now and that's what accounts for the lack of theory crafting. Luck to you. I enjoy your threads.
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  • Tolino
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    Magwarden's only my alt, but I noticed there are hardly any theorycrafting threads about the class. Is it like fight club? People don't talk about magwarden?

    Overall, it doesn't really have many magden. And 90% use Necropotence/Max. Mag-builds anyway
    Iskiab wrote: »
    - why do most magwardens use living trellis? I haven't finished leveling it to check, but it seems sorta crappy to me

    Living Trellis has similar HoT like rapid Reg. + you can Spamm it for a small Burstheal and Automatically major mending if you fall below 40%! You don't want to play whitout ist!
    Edited by Tolino on January 4, 2020 8:12PM
    Magsorc: Tôlino (Wardless)
    Magden: Wa-Uller
    Stamsorc: Tolino Sturmfalke
  • Gatdangmayne
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    I'm far from the best at magden, but this is what i would change from your build:

    Get undaunted asap, 9k stam is way too low. Tri stat food is the way to go. I know there is the one that works with bright throat, but personally i would go shacklebreaker...more stam is always good. I never feel comfortable with less than 15k tbh.

    This is especially true since you have no snare removal - personally, i would use shimmering as my "shield" and slot mist form. Get rid of mutagen/rr and slot trellis. I also would definitely slot trees unless you reallllllllly need the passive regen bonus from barrier.

    As far as damage, birds are better, higher tooltip, passives, etc but force pulse works if you just hate the animation. I also feel like flies are 100% required with the vulnerability debuff they give.

    Also, use bloodspawn, balorgh, any full 2 piece monster set over the 1/1 resist setup.
    Edited by Gatdangmayne on January 4, 2020 8:37PM
  • Casul
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    I ran Magden for a bit. Argonian. I used necropotance/robes of the hist/sellistrix (weird choice I know but the AoE stun was great for slapping groups all at once and securing a deep fissure.)

    All in all it was pretty decent. Good healing, good damage. Only really struggled with mobility but bird of prey fixed that.
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  • Iskiab
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    I like the birds too and was using them, but in BGs I kept getting kill stolen so went to force pulse. I kept trying it and my combo was:

    Fleas - bugs - birds - Invig - 20% - kill stolen. It was pretty consistent.

    It just drove me nuts seeing all the low health targets and not having anything that does damage immediately. I dueled a dark cloak 30k hp stamblade and had similar results, always to 20% and then they’d get away.

    I switched it up and just use bugs every 3rd cast rain or shine and found it had the opposite effect. Sometimes I’d get a lucky kill steal myself with the big burst.

    I just recently tried a shield on the front bar and saw my results skyrocket. What about Chudan and back bar temporal guard? Dumb or a good idea. I’d love mist but like radiating regen for team support.
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  • Lughlongarm
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    The reason you don't see much theorycrafting threads for Magwarden's is because of how straight forward it is. You cannot go wrong with any Max magicka build. The class organic synergy with the necropotence set and the passive given by Northern storm, just make build to "write itself" basically. Most builds will use Breton, lightning staff front bar, 1h+shield/ Ice staff(back bar).

    Most popular setups are either: 2 max magicka sets(Crafty Alfiq's/Bright throat's) + Necropotence + Monster set( bloodspawn/ balorgh). (For Breton- Crafty Alfiq's+ Necropotence with Bewitched Sugar Skulls, For Nords Bright throat's + Necropotence with Ghastly Eye Bowl).

    Second option is Necropotence + Grace of the Ancients + Monster set+ your favorite weapon set(Master lighting staff front bar/ Blessing of the Potentates back bar etc....

    Regarding your build - Remember that for Northern storm builds, uliti regen = max magicka. bloodspawn over values Chudan+Pirate, by a lot.

    -Living trellis is a very flexible heal(Hot and burst) and it also procs all the Green balance skill line passives. You don't need polar wind on this build. I don't think you need a resto staff on this build.

    -Stamina , Very impotent, You really want it at 12k+(NO CP) and 14k+(with CP). Another reason bloodspawn is BiS. Easy Ways to help with Stamina sustain -1)Block with Ice staff back bar with the Tri Focus passive. 2) Take Bull Netch over blue Betty(only if your magicka sustain is very good and you are not going for the ice staff blocking with magicka). Use your healing skills on allies to proc the the Nature's Gift passive. Healing Thicket as a second ulti is great for that(especially in BG).

    - You can ofc get creative and do a Non max magicka build with a Warden(I can give you some ideas), but I don't think it will out preform the simple Max magicka build route.
  • Iki
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    -You could try having spinners full on front-bar and potentates staff back-bar. Your dps would be higher on front-bar than with bright throat and more defense on back-bar. Less mag-sustain ofc, but playable with breton.

    -Use tri-stat glyphs on all body-pieces, that get you to around 12-13k stamina that is barely enough, with also triune jewelry would have 14k stam.

    - I know mighty chudan isn`t popular choice for warden, but if you feel like experimenting, try it and see what you could do if you had one extra ability-slot. There`s many good and fun options that can boost your performance in some contexts.

    - Leeching vines is very nice ability against opponents who apply strong dots to you, it`s also good way to keep natures gift passive proccing.
  • Iskiab
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    Well I transferred over my jewellery from my templar, I definitely feel like I’m over sustaining. That’s why I wanted to get some advice to cater my gear for warden.

    For more punch what do you think about new moon acolyte front bar and potatoes back bar? I use that on a magtemplar and love it. I don’t have gold Necropence jewellery but c’est la vie. It won’t fit a max mag build in one sense, but I found it a lot better than spinners in no-CP. So Necropence + Bloodspawn + NMA, back bar potatoes.
    Edited by Iskiab on January 5, 2020 12:37AM
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  • Lughlongarm
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    Well I transferred over my jewellery from my templar, I definitely feel like I’m over sustaining. That’s why I wanted to get some advice to cater my gear for warden.

    For more punch what do you think about new moon acolyte front bar and potatoes back bar? I use that on a magtemplar and love it. I don’t have gold Necropence jewellery but c’est la vie. It won’t fit a max mag build in one sense, but I found it a lot better than spinners in no-CP. So Necropence + Bloodspawn + NMA, back bar potatoes.

    I was very hyped about NMA for my Magden at the start of the patch, tried it and didn't like it. magtemplar synergies much better with NMA compared to a Magden.
  • leepalmer95
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    Just use bright throat, spinner front bar, potentates back bar, 1x chudan/ pirate skele.

    Stack like 22k+ pen and you're golden.
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  • fred4
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    My magden is languishing. I don't really like the playstyle. It's a fairly tanky class, even in light armor. Magicka stacking seems to be the default, like others have said. I also find it a "buffy" class, e.g. a lot of stuff to keep in your rotation that you just buff, then you lash out with Deep Fissure and A.N.Other. No gap closer, no execute and poor mobility makes this a boring class. I feel very inward focused. A lot of the time you don't even aim at anyone, as you are either busy with buffs or casting Deep Fissure.

    I have, in the past, gone for pure magicka stacking with Dampen on the front bar and magicka and health balanced just right to get an about 13K shield in CP with 50K+ magicka. That's probably still the way to go and Bright-Throat is not the best way to do it. With all the foods available, I'd go for Sugar Skulls or Disastrously Bloody Mara, foods that have a high stat-density. I notice you are using Disastrously, so that must work with Bright Throat's? Well, I was going to say use Necro + Alfiq + anything and everything that gives you more magicka, not spell damage. You want to be pushing 55K to 60K magicka with Northern Storm in CP. That Infused Spell Damage necklace, I wouldn't go for that. Use Arcane and all magicka recovery glyphs on jewelry. Some Swift, if you want to. If you need additional magicka recovery, use the Atro mundus instead of the Mage. The reason is the same as for magblade. It gives you better idle recovery and you actually feel that when you're standing on a flag and your build is buff-heavy, as magden builds tend to be. That said, hmm, Bright-Throat's + Mage Mundus is probably not bad, just your magicka seems low at 40K with CP.

    I much prefer Bull Netch over Betty, because it sustains your stamina while blocking or sprinting, so that's where I get my stam regen. Never been that much of a fan of Shimmering Shield - I just use Dampen - but can understand the rationale for getting to Northern Storm quicker as would be using Bloodpawn.

    Trellis is a great skill, because you can pump up your health underneath your big shield and it's reasonably cheap. It's better healing per magicka than Enchanted Growth. However, if you run dual or tri-food and some prismatics, Arctic Blast becomes competitive, so I've been trying that. I was running resto back bar, but wanted to try something different, so I currently respecced my warden to this:

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=200761

    That's just one variation and it's merely experimental. I had some duels with a stamden and I definitely felt more comfortable with Armor Master over Alfiq, but maybe I should move the shield back to the front bar. The big shield is definitely viable, but feels brittle if your resistances are low.

    One reason to go for birds is that every animal skill heals you when it expires. So if Fissure + Birds are your spammables, you heal every one second. If you have Trellis up, every attack automatically gets offset by more healing. It's strong. I liked the idea of speccing into more health and trying Arctic Blast, but felt that setup was magicka hungry, so must have ended up shielding and casting that skill too often.

    When front barring the shield, I used a vMA resto on the back bar in the past. Depending on your sets, you'll drop a lot of magicka, but it might be an option to consider.
  • fred4
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    By the way, are your CP turned on in UESP or are those BG stats? Guess that would explain the relatively low magicka at 40K with Necro / Bright Throat's / Disastrously. I'm so used to seeing CP values :p.
    Edited by fred4 on January 6, 2020 6:59AM
  • Iskiab
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    @fred4 It’s a big mistake not using shimmering shield. It’s the kind of ability that you’re not sure how good it is while using it, but do some duels against people and ask them and they’ll tell you how much burst they’re missing because so many specs are reliant on a projectile for their burst. It lets you build a lot glassier and still have good survivability.

    Yea, my spec is no-CP. I should get a different BTB necklace and transfer that one back to my templar, but whatever. 2x swift I’ve also been using on every mag spec these days. The stats look lower, but it’s invaluable for making melee attacks miss while kiting. I bought multiple BTB gold rings when they were up on the vendor to compare, yea, 2x swift is awesome. Stats never tell the whole picture.
    Edited by Iskiab on January 6, 2020 1:15PM
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  • Tolino
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    @fred4 It’s a big mistake not using shimmering shield. It’s the kind of ability that you’re not sure how good it is while using it, but do some duels against people and ask them and they’ll tell you how much burst they’re missing because so many specs are reliant on a projectile for their burst. It lets you build a lot glassier and still have good survivability.

    Yea, my spec is no-CP. I should get a different BTB necklace and transfer that one back to my templar, but whatever. 2x swift I’ve also been using on every mag spec these days. The stats look lower, but it’s invaluable for making melee attacks miss while kiting. I bought multiple BTB gold rings when they were up on the vendor to compare, yea, 2x swift is awesome. Stats never tell the whole picture.

    Sure "Shimmering shield" is a fantastic skill! But on the Magden you usually just don't have the space for it!

    My Skill-bars usually look like this:
    Backbar: Blue Betty, Ice Fortress, Living Trellis, Dampen Magic, Mist/race against Time
    Frontbar: Bird of Prey, Stun(Vamp-drain), Deep Fissure, Spammabel(Crushing Shock/Shock Clench/Cliff Racer), Inner Light or Fetcher Infection

    +Shimmering shield just doesn't give me what i need! Magden has already great Ult-Sustain. I don't have a issu with Range-builds. Magden is even with just Bloodspawn realy tanky.

    i need mobility and dmg(Especially in the Execute area)!

    I am currently using a speed-based build with:
    Bloodspawn/1Domi+1Armor pice
    5 BTB-body (necro should be better, but I just didn't have a complete set)
    Marauder's Hast-Jewelry+SnB Backbar
    Willpower Shockstaff Frontbar
    Magsorc: Tôlino (Wardless)
    Magden: Wa-Uller
    Stamsorc: Tolino Sturmfalke
  • Iskiab
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    Tolino wrote: »
    Iskiab wrote: »
    @fred4 It’s a big mistake not using shimmering shield. It’s the kind of ability that you’re not sure how good it is while using it, but do some duels against people and ask them and they’ll tell you how much burst they’re missing because so many specs are reliant on a projectile for their burst. It lets you build a lot glassier and still have good survivability.

    Yea, my spec is no-CP. I should get a different BTB necklace and transfer that one back to my templar, but whatever. 2x swift I’ve also been using on every mag spec these days. The stats look lower, but it’s invaluable for making melee attacks miss while kiting. I bought multiple BTB gold rings when they were up on the vendor to compare, yea, 2x swift is awesome. Stats never tell the whole picture.

    Sure "Shimmering shield" is a fantastic skill! But on the Magden you usually just don't have the space for it!

    My Skill-bars usually look like this:
    Backbar: Blue Betty, Ice Fortress, Living Trellis, Dampen Magic, Mist/race against Time
    Frontbar: Bird of Prey, Stun(Vamp-drain), Deep Fissure, Spammabel(Crushing Shock/Shock Clench/Cliff Racer), Inner Light or Fetcher Infection

    +Shimmering shield just doesn't give me what i need! Magden has already great Ult-Sustain. I don't have a issu with Range-builds. Magden is even with just Bloodspawn realy tanky.

    i need mobility and dmg(Especially in the Execute area)!

    I am currently using a speed-based build with:
    Bloodspawn/1Domi+1Armor pice
    5 BTB-body (necro should be better, but I just didn't have a complete set)
    Marauder's Hast-Jewelry+SnB Backbar
    Willpower Shockstaff Frontbar

    Yea, I want to fit mist form really badly, that’s why I was thinking Chudan to save some bar space.

    Enough talking about it, I’m going to try it. So I’m thinking BTB, Necro, Chudan. 2x swift, 3x Spell damage glyphs.

    Front bar: dampen, bugs, force pulse (Bird in a duel), Invig drain, bird of prey - northern storm

    Back bar: That skill I haven’t finished leveling, radiating regen, mist form, shimmering shield, netch thing - temporal guard.

    I just thought of something, is there a synergy between mist and shimmering for building ultimate? Coming out of mist and having a wrath hitting sucks too, can shimmering absorb it? I usually block cancel mist into a dodge roll to try and avoid it, I’ll need to fix my stamina.
    Edited by Iskiab on January 6, 2020 5:27PM
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  • AverageJo3Gam3r
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    I’ve been having success in BGs with necro, masters lightning staff, chudan 2pc, and armor master back bar.
  • Iskiab
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    I haven’t golded all my gear yet, but I used some prismatic glyphs and tried living trellis. Yea, it’s great. I put it on my front bar and back barred dampen.

    Has anyone tried daring Corsair? It says it gives minor heroism when you use a weapon ability, does that include resto staff abilities like radiating regen?
    Edited by Iskiab on January 8, 2020 3:26AM
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  • Lughlongarm
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    I haven’t golded all my gear yet, but I used some prismatic glyphs and tried living trellis. Yea, it’s great. I put it on my front bar and back barred dampen.

    Has anyone tried daring Corsair? It says it gives minor heroism when you use a weapon ability, does that include resto staff abilities like radiating regen?

    daring Corsair will work with resto staff abilities but it is an underwhelming set(does not discount ulties). You can get minor heroism from the new prophecy potion.
  • Iskiab
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    Hum, after playing more I wish I’d have gone nord. Using Chudan makes you too glassy, one more back bar slot would make a world of difference.

    I’m also finding it annoying to have to rebuff all the time. Typical stam either try to burst you down or go dodge rolly for a bit. Having to refresh everything all the time can get annoying.
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  • Tolino
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    Hum, after playing more I wish I’d have gone nord. Using Chudan makes you too glassy, one more back bar slot would make a world of difference.

    I’m also finding it annoying to have to rebuff all the time. Typical stam either try to burst you down or go dodge rolly for a bit. Having to refresh everything all the time can get annoying.

    Chudan is realy bad for Magden! Minor Protection is to good. You should try Bloodspawn, Necro, Potentates, Willpower/Masterstaff.

    Nord would be a great choice too.

    What do you need to rebuff all the time???
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  • Iskiab
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    Tolino wrote: »
    Iskiab wrote: »
    Hum, after playing more I wish I’d have gone nord. Using Chudan makes you too glassy, one more back bar slot would make a world of difference.

    I’m also finding it annoying to have to rebuff all the time. Typical stam either try to burst you down or go dodge rolly for a bit. Having to refresh everything all the time can get annoying.

    Chudan is realy bad for Magden! Minor Protection is to good. You should try Bloodspawn, Necro, Potentates, Willpower/Masterstaff.

    Nord would be a great choice too.

    What do you need to rebuff all the time???

    Well I’ll give you an example. I was playing a flag game in midish MMR. My team was running away from new flags to keep capping stuff and there was a group following them back capping everything they’d grab. They were also newerish players so losing every straight up encounter we came up against.

    I decided it was a good idea to try and slow the trailing team down solo so I had to fight a lot of 1v2s. I was playing somewhat defensively and trying to keep netch, armour buff, radiating regen, plus trellis up. It just felt like the offensive window is smaller on warden then other classes.

    Even on offense the first thing I do is put my buffs up before fighting, and by the end of the brawl, sometimes right before, my netch falls off.
    Edited by Iskiab on January 10, 2020 12:54PM
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  • Iki
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    Hum, after playing more I wish I’d have gone nord. Using Chudan makes you too glassy, one more back bar slot would make a world of difference.

    I’m also finding it annoying to have to rebuff all the time. Typical stam either try to burst you down or go dodge rolly for a bit. Having to refresh everything all the time can get annoying.

    Have you tested ice-staff backbar? Defending ice-staff and leeching vines instead of radiating regen for healing over time makes one pretty tanky. Less healing for your group though. And do not go nord with magicka characters, I made that mistake once and can`t recommend that. You sacrifice too much magicka sustain that way and too much power to get that sustain back in other ways. Stay as breton and adjust details of build elsewhere to get stats and performance you are happy with.
  • AMeanOne
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    Chudan on a warden? :|
  • Iskiab
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    So I finally dropped shimmer and tried mist form. It’s definitely an improvement.

    What’s everyone thinking post patch? I’m thinking of trying that monster set that stuns or does high damage after 5 light attacks.

    Also considering Ice staff with the bird’s off balance for a stun, but am not sure. I’m thinking load up on more buffs on my front bar and run no stun at all.
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  • Tolino
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    Either the bad arctic blast-Stun as main-Stun with Shockstaff or Flame Clench...
    Both aren't good Stuns.
    The issu with the Off-Balance Stun is the new 15s cd...

    Magden are still great in Group-Play. But they will be even worse Solo...
    Magsorc: Tôlino (Wardless)
    Magden: Wa-Uller
    Stamsorc: Tolino Sturmfalke
  • Vietfox
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    I can do fairly well with this:
    Balorgh + Necro + Pariah

    FB: shock clench, swarm, ice fortress, bird of prey, deep fissure and northern storm.
    BB: living trellis, netch, mist form, ward ally, shimmering shields and Tree ulti.
  • Iskiab
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    Anyone tried the ice clench? I’m thinking of what to use when Invig drain has been nerfed.

    Instead of going for a stun use a root stammable.

    I was messing around in cyrodiil and feel like max mag wasn’t as effective as I’d like. Anyone tried a high pen build?

    I also messed around with rapid regen instead of radiating regen. If you get a noob on your BG team it’s pretty inconsistent for self healing. I’m not sure how to balance solo vs team play.
    Edited by Iskiab on February 2, 2020 3:18PM
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    LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
    PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
    Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten
  • Vietfox
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    Anyone tried the ice clench? I’m thinking of what to use when Invig drain has been nerfed.

    Instead of going for a stun use a root stammable.

    I was messing around in cyrodiil and feel like max mag wasn’t as effective as I’d like. Anyone tried a high pen build?

    I also messed around with rapid regen instead of radiating regen. If you get a noob on your BG team it’s pretty inconsistent for self healing. I’m not sure how to balance solo vs team play.

    I stick to lightning staff for the aoe passive.

    For the stun i use artic blast, it's much better than i thought.

    Max mag is still effective. I got 50k magicka, 2450 spell damage (up to 3450 with Balorgh)

    For healing i just use living trellis and artic blast. In case of an emergency i kite with mist then spam living trellis while blocking (i run S&B instead of a resto staff. Also my resistances are quite decent buffed only with ice fortress and they go over 30k when my health is around 60% (i'm using Pariah)

    Overall i'm quite tanky but i also got decent damage.
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    Sorry, 2k spell damage (up to 3k with Balorgh). Those extra 450 were from when i was using the infused resto with weapon damage.
    My lightning staff is currently sharpened but i'm thinking on making it infused and put the weapon damage there, but i kinda don't want to lose those 2.7K penetration either...
  • Iskiab
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    Vietfox wrote: »
    Iskiab wrote: »
    Anyone tried the ice clench? I’m thinking of what to use when Invig drain has been nerfed.

    Instead of going for a stun use a root stammable.

    I was messing around in cyrodiil and feel like max mag wasn’t as effective as I’d like. Anyone tried a high pen build?

    I also messed around with rapid regen instead of radiating regen. If you get a noob on your BG team it’s pretty inconsistent for self healing. I’m not sure how to balance solo vs team play.

    I stick to lightning staff for the aoe passive.

    For the stun i use artic blast, it's much better than i thought.

    Max mag is still effective. I got 50k magicka, 2450 spell damage (up to 3450 with Balorgh)

    For healing i just use living trellis and artic blast. In case of an emergency i kite with mist then spam living trellis while blocking (i run S&B instead of a resto staff. Also my resistances are quite decent buffed only with ice fortress and they go over 30k when my health is around 60% (i'm using Pariah)

    Overall i'm quite tanky but i also got decent damage.

    Yea, I felt tanky running around in Cyro too. I’m used to playing BGs and am still runnnng 2 1 piece armour pieces in my armour slots.

    S&B’s okayish but whenever I see someone run it in BGs they seem ineffective as Mag. Their output’s too low.

    Maybe I’ll try boosting my mag in those slots or Zaan to get better burst, maybe Kena after the patch. I’m used to playing BGs so individual burst isn’t as important and the resists help, but in Cyro I’m not sure how effective it is.

    What’s your bar setup? I’ve been tweaking mine a lot and haven’t settled on anything.
    Edited by Iskiab on February 2, 2020 7:59PM
    Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
    Havoc Warhammer - Alair
    LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
    PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
    Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten
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