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  • FlowOne
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    Karmanorway wrote: »
    Starlock wrote: »
    Not really understanding your problem, honestly. My lightning mage doesn’t have a class spammable either, but he is who he is and I’m not redoing him as someone he isn’t just because the sorcerer class has no lightning damage “spammable” attack.

    Daedric curse, crystal blast are some.
    Weapon spammables:
    Force shock, destructive touch. Those are spammable because they can be animation canceled.

    Dizzy swing have a few secs cast time too but the skill cant be canceled, which means your enemy has time to react, u never hit

    LMFAO, what?
    TBois wrote: »
    As a Grand Overlord (only mentioning it because you did) stam sorc main, I don't see a need for a class spammable. I'm not saying it wouldn"t be cool to have one, but it isn't necessary.

    Have you tried to use power bash from snb? It is insta cast and hits pretty hard now. That's the spammable I would run if I didn't run dizzy.

    Power slam is totally trash for stamsorc, after old ransack it feels too bad.
    Edited by FlowOne on December 29, 2019 7:02PM
  • Ragnarock41
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    Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc
    TBois wrote: »
    Power Slam is the spammable that the OP is looking for. They specifically asked for an instant cast spammable that does almost as much damage as dizzy swing. I just checked the build editor, and my dizzy swing has a 17k tooltip while power slam has a 15k tooltip. This problem seems to be solved.

    Also as your dad always told you, there is a difference between need and want. Stam sorc does not need a class spammable.

    I understand your point of view very well. However for Dk I would like to argue that the class is supposed to synergize well with sword and board, traditionally used sword and board, and now feels lost after the nerfs to sword and board. The drop in popularity and old time mains taking a break is also a sign, as I always say not every class has to have every tool available to them, thats why we have weapon and guild skill lines, but considering they gave the trademark DK strengths to other classes lately(onslaught is offensive version of corrosive, bol and shimmering is wings but better etc), so Its fair to say stonefist does not do justice for how much unique identity was lost. The least they could do is to make this spammable an actual spammable.

    I sincerely hope stamsorcs do not go through the same process but since they don't even have that many unique tools in their kit and whatever they have is taken from other classes ( hurricane from DK inferno, bound armements from nb bow proc) it seems very unlikely that stamsorc would follow the same path.
    Karmanorway wrote: »
    Yea but stonefist doesnt really hit that hard though, thats why no one runs it except maybe tanks. Its the same as stamsorcs Bound armor, this dagers dont hit for (snip) 😂

    (edited for bypassing profanity filter)

    I'd like to make a little correction here.

    Stonefist's issue is not the damage , but quite literally everything else. There are many other spammables with similar damage profiles but none are as disliked as stonefist.
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on December 29, 2019 7:39PM
  • MartiniDaniels
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    Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc
    WrathOfInnos wrote: »
    I agree the 2h spammable is painful to use, but you have other options. Crushing Weapon is an instant spammable available to any class, which also heals you, procs Spell Orb for more burst, and gives you a shield every time you block, it just requires you to weave light attacks. Silver shards is another instant spammable option for any class, and it has long range, brings passive weapon damage, splashes multiple enemies, and gets bonus damage against undead, Daedra, werewolves and vampires.

    Crushing weapon is interesting option against players with bad healing. But against players with good healing it will be barely able to outdps health recovery+vigor. Current problem with spammables is that their actual damage is not tooltip/2/resistances.... we should also subtract typical 3k HoT hanging on player. So for example la-weaved crushing weapon can do 5k dps per second (after BS and resistances) while weaved dizzy and snipe have 6k and jabs 7k.
    Which means that "weak spammables" do only 2k actual damage, dizzy/snipe 3k and jabs 4k. Of course numbers will differ heavily depending on player build and opponents build, but you may see the idea. Previously dots running on background were consuming large part of that HoT, but now with nerfed dots and buffed self-healing you need powerful spammable to cut through.
    This is especially glaring issue for DK because DK doesn't have ANY delayed burst ability. For myself I solved this problem when I started using zaan (no-CP), which perfectly works together with fossilize/onslaught/ballista/execute, but zaan is cheese.

    P.S. and so I tried stamplar. Jabs melt to 50-60% HP -> cc -> onslaught -> potl explosion+jabs+BL proc all at full penetration in same GCD. I am curios what will happen if I add zaan, which will feed potl :D My first impressions - DK is another level of difficulty. Well, of course stamplar has downsides - lack of major fracture and unblockable cc other then turn evil, which is suboptimal to toppling charge. So you may say that DK burst is harder to avoid/counter... but sheer power of stamplar burst imo more then compensates for that.
    Edited by MartiniDaniels on December 30, 2019 5:46AM
  • Shaloknir
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    Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc
    Karmanorway wrote: »
    I main Stamsorc and are not far from Grand overlord, there is just 1 problem... I have to grind AP all over on a stamplar because i cant hit ppl with dizzy swing in PvP unless they are high or drunk :/ dizzy is simply to slow, If i had a class spammable like most other classes i wouldnt have to 🙂👍 so what do u think? Is this something that should be fixed? Should it be fair for every one No matter what class u choose for PvP?

    I propose the following change to sorcerer skillset:
    1. Remove liquid lightning and Replace it with lightning bolt
    2. Make morphs as follows chain lightning (magicka morph), storm hammer (stamina morph)
      • Chain lightning morph would turn skill in to AOE ability. Full impact against main target and reduced impact against other enemies (damages up to 6 enemies or unlimited enemies in certain area of effect)
      • Storm hammer would be stamina morph with reduced range (single target). Sorcerer would throw this hammer of pure energy against foe and it would return to his hand.
  • Nordic__Knights
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    Shaloknir wrote: »
    Karmanorway wrote: »
    I main Stamsorc and are not far from Grand overlord, there is just 1 problem... I have to grind AP all over on a stamplar because i cant hit ppl with dizzy swing in PvP unless they are high or drunk :/ dizzy is simply to slow, If i had a class spammable like most other classes i wouldnt have to 🙂👍 so what do u think? Is this something that should be fixed? Should it be fair for every one No matter what class u choose for PvP?

    I propose the following change to sorcerer skillset:
    1. Remove liquid lightning and Replace it with lightning bolt
    2. Make morphs as follows chain lightning (magicka morph), storm hammer (stamina morph)
      • Chain lightning morph would turn skill in to AOE ability. Full impact against main target and reduced impact against other enemies (damages up to 6 enemies or unlimited enemies in certain area of effect)
      • Storm hammer would be stamina morph with reduced range (single target). Sorcerer would throw this hammer of pure energy against foe and it would return to his hand.

    Call it the Thor build 😆 😆
  • Shaloknir
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    Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc
    Nordic__Knights wrote: »
    Shaloknir wrote: »
    Karmanorway wrote: »
    I main Stamsorc and are not far from Grand overlord, there is just 1 problem... I have to grind AP all over on a stamplar because i cant hit ppl with dizzy swing in PvP unless they are high or drunk :/ dizzy is simply to slow, If i had a class spammable like most other classes i wouldnt have to 🙂👍 so what do u think? Is this something that should be fixed? Should it be fair for every one No matter what class u choose for PvP?

    I propose the following change to sorcerer skillset:
    1. Remove liquid lightning and Replace it with lightning bolt
    2. Make morphs as follows chain lightning (magicka morph), storm hammer (stamina morph)
      • Chain lightning morph would turn skill in to AOE ability. Full impact against main target and reduced impact against other enemies (damages up to 6 enemies or unlimited enemies in certain area of effect)
      • Storm hammer would be stamina morph with reduced range (single target). Sorcerer would throw this hammer of pure energy against foe and it would return to his hand.

    Call it the Thor build 😆 😆

    Yes something like that :)
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