Class spammable for every one! PVP

idk

No i have another idea... (comment)

LuxLunae wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I main Stamsorc and are not far from Grand overlord, there is just 1 problem... I have to grind AP all over on a stamplar because i cant hit ppl with dizzy swing in PvP unless they are high or drunk dizzy is simply to slow, If i had a class spammable like most other classes i wouldnt have to 🙂👍 so what do u think? Is this something that should be fixed? Should it be fair for every one No matter what class u choose for PvP?

People seem to keep forgetting Jabs is reduced from Major Evasion 25%, it does it's damage over 1 second, it is considered multiple hits, Jabs stop working in pvp when there is a good amount of people in cyrodil. It becomes unreliable.

That's why after years of playing Templar I moved to the far better Stam DK and Stam NB....

Stop complaining about not having something and move on to something else...You played that class, learned it, and you can't get what you want from it... move on..

If you are going to complain about what you die from and rerolling to it, go ahead and reroll to it... USE IT... DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT HAVING SOMETHING ON A CLASS YOU KEEP RIDING!!!

I know I would probably be a better pvper if i played magplar...but I hate the low stam pool...therefor I DONT PLAY MAGPLAR!!!

You see, zos, my complaint is different... They gave magplars the 66% damage in front sweeps that was given to stamplars back in the day... That was my bread and butter back in the day....Then they gave stampalars (oh your light attacks do 40% more damage) sweep... ok.... like wow that was REAAALY COOL!!

I tried to implement that... seriously...using some warewolf set that makes my light attacks faster...with some other thing that gives light attack some execute damage... it just didn't work out...

It was then I knew zos has a problem with their system...If I can't beat a person with light and heavy attacks... there's either a need for a new class (fighter) or a new set to fix that ...

You know I just realized that the mag sweeps stacks off highest stat right? So 66% sweeps in front ...

Stam Sweeps DAMAGE+ DAMAGE*.50= critical strike
Mag Sweeps DAMAGE+DAMAGE*.66= regular strike

but if I was a magplar
mag sweeps Damage+Damage*.66+DAMAGE*.50= WOW!

So as stamplar I should still be using mag sweeps...even if it don't crit... hmm....

Imagine complaining about stamplar damage in U24. Properly build stamplar have insane damage, probably highest possible dps in current patch.

Yet I kill more with Stam DK and Stam NB... it's not about the damage.. its about the playstyle.. next time maybe everybody will find that out...

And player skill.

Remember, this thread is about the OP wants a spamable for the DK (and other classes) since they found themselves challenged to land DS. It is not about the DKs total damage output vs potential of another class.

Karmanorway

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Ragnarock41

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Cloak and dodge roll are both very effective counters to dizzying swing, and as if thats not enough, nightblades are immune to dots while in cloak.

idk

No i have another idea... (comment)

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Maybe the stam DK is not the best class for you.

Seriously, is everyone challenged with NBs or any class when playing a stam DK. I do not see that in this thread. Mostly what I see in this thread is OP arguing with many of people who have replied.

What OP has stated that makes sense is they are talking about issues with lag on the EU server. We know for a fact DS does not have the 3 second cast time OP is claiming. It is lag causing the issue and EU is the least stable server due to overpopulation.

We need to discuss the real issue. Not gloss over it and pretend it is something else.

idk

No i have another idea... (comment)

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Cloak and dodge roll are both very effective counters to dizzying swing, and as if thats not enough, nightblades are immune to dots while in cloak.

We are talking melee ranged. If this is part of the problem OP is having then they need to start using a counter. Counters effectively counter all of that.

Ragnarock41

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Cloak and dodge roll are both very effective counters to dizzying swing, and as if thats not enough, nightblades are immune to dots while in cloak.

We are talking melee ranged. If this is part of the problem OP is having then they need to start using a counter. Counters effectively counter all of that.

So what ? I'm stating facts. But let me guess, according to your forum book of ''counters'' I should use a magicka based detect potion as STAMINA DK, while that nightblade is probably using stamina + physical resistance potions, putting me at a good disadvantage...

just to hit my spammable, right? The same way ranged classes used to be forced into slotting beams or using melee abilities against wings. So wings nerf was an accident then right? Cause forums says if something has a counter it should be totally fine for gameplay huh.

Well I agree the topic is not about cloak, however the cast time nature of d.swing and how it affects PvP for the classes without a class spammable is definitely part of this discussion.

idk

No i have another idea... (comment)

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Cloak and dodge roll are both very effective counters to dizzying swing, and as if thats not enough, nightblades are immune to dots while in cloak.

We are talking melee ranged. If this is part of the problem OP is having then they need to start using a counter. Counters effectively counter all of that.

So what ? I'm stating facts. But let me guess, according to your forum book of ''counters'' I should use a magicka based detect potion as STAMINA DK, while that nightblade is probably using stamina + physical resistance potions, putting me at a good disadvantage...

just to hit my spammable, right? The same way ranged classes used to be forced into slotting beams or using melee abilities against wings. So wings nerf was an accident right? Cause forums says if something has a counter it should be totally fine for gameplay huh.

I did not dispute your fact. I merely pointed out a solution that is a fact.

It is sad you turn to putting words into my mouth with such petty misleading statements. I never suggested using a magicka based detect potion. Stick with facts instead of erroneous assertions.

Ragnarock41

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Cloak and dodge roll are both very effective counters to dizzying swing, and as if thats not enough, nightblades are immune to dots while in cloak.

We are talking melee ranged. If this is part of the problem OP is having then they need to start using a counter. Counters effectively counter all of that.

So what ? I'm stating facts. But let me guess, according to your forum book of ''counters'' I should use a magicka based detect potion as STAMINA DK, while that nightblade is probably using stamina + physical resistance potions, putting me at a good disadvantage...

just to hit my spammable, right? The same way ranged classes used to be forced into slotting beams or using melee abilities against wings. So wings nerf was an accident right? Cause forums says if something has a counter it should be totally fine for gameplay huh.

I did not dispute your fact. I merely pointed out a solution that is a fact.

It is sad you turn to putting words into my mouth with such petty misleading statements. I never suggested using a magicka based detect potion. Stick with facts instead of erroneous assertions.

I just made a wild guess. But really, idk what you have in mind, I can only guess.

idk

No i have another idea... (comment)

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Cloak and dodge roll are both very effective counters to dizzying swing, and as if thats not enough, nightblades are immune to dots while in cloak.

We are talking melee ranged. If this is part of the problem OP is having then they need to start using a counter. Counters effectively counter all of that.

So what ? I'm stating facts. But let me guess, according to your forum book of ''counters'' I should use a magicka based detect potion as STAMINA DK, while that nightblade is probably using stamina + physical resistance potions, putting me at a good disadvantage...

just to hit my spammable, right? The same way ranged classes used to be forced into slotting beams or using melee abilities against wings. So wings nerf was an accident right? Cause forums says if something has a counter it should be totally fine for gameplay huh.

I did not dispute your fact. I merely pointed out a solution that is a fact.

It is sad you turn to putting words into my mouth with such petty misleading statements. I never suggested using a magicka based detect potion. Stick with facts instead of erroneous assertions.

I just made a wild guess. But really, idk what you have in mind, I can only guess.

I assumed you had some basic knowledge of what is available in PvP since you comment often in these threads and would have not suggested one of the more absurd choices.

I will help you out then. For starters, when I run with a small group of a handful of players only one or two of us have counters and it varies based on who is running it. We tend to organize well and players run what they are told to.

For when I run solo I often go after gankers so it makes sense for me to run a counter. On stam I use camoflage hunter since it does have a chance to also proc a damage boost. I do realize players can come up with all sorts of excuses for not running such a skill or any counter but I prefer to use solutions and it works well.

Ragnarock41

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Cloak and dodge roll are both very effective counters to dizzying swing, and as if thats not enough, nightblades are immune to dots while in cloak.

We are talking melee ranged. If this is part of the problem OP is having then they need to start using a counter. Counters effectively counter all of that.

So what ? I'm stating facts. But let me guess, according to your forum book of ''counters'' I should use a magicka based detect potion as STAMINA DK, while that nightblade is probably using stamina + physical resistance potions, putting me at a good disadvantage...

just to hit my spammable, right? The same way ranged classes used to be forced into slotting beams or using melee abilities against wings. So wings nerf was an accident right? Cause forums says if something has a counter it should be totally fine for gameplay huh.

I did not dispute your fact. I merely pointed out a solution that is a fact.

It is sad you turn to putting words into my mouth with such petty misleading statements. I never suggested using a magicka based detect potion. Stick with facts instead of erroneous assertions.

I just made a wild guess. But really, idk what you have in mind, I can only guess.

I assumed you had some basic knowledge of what is available in PvP since you comment often in these threads and would have not suggested one of the more absurd choices.

I will help you out then. For starters, when I run with a small group of a handful of players only one or two of us have counters and it varies based on who is running it. We tend to organize well and players run what they are told to.

For when I run solo I often go after gankers so it makes sense for me to run a counter. On stam I use camoflage hunter since it does have a chance to also proc a damage boost. I do realize players can come up with all sorts of excuses for not running such a skill or any counter but I prefer to use solutions and it works well.

stamblades literally do not matter in group play. However, stamDk is a class that mainly excels at 1vX potato mashing and solo PvP, so I have to solve the stamblade problem by MYSELF, not by relying on the power of group play.

The fact that you actually recommend camo hunter tells me you talk without actual experience though.

idk

No i have another idea... (comment)

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Cloak and dodge roll are both very effective counters to dizzying swing, and as if thats not enough, nightblades are immune to dots while in cloak.

We are talking melee ranged. If this is part of the problem OP is having then they need to start using a counter. Counters effectively counter all of that.

So what ? I'm stating facts. But let me guess, according to your forum book of ''counters'' I should use a magicka based detect potion as STAMINA DK, while that nightblade is probably using stamina + physical resistance potions, putting me at a good disadvantage...

just to hit my spammable, right? The same way ranged classes used to be forced into slotting beams or using melee abilities against wings. So wings nerf was an accident right? Cause forums says if something has a counter it should be totally fine for gameplay huh.

I did not dispute your fact. I merely pointed out a solution that is a fact.

It is sad you turn to putting words into my mouth with such petty misleading statements. I never suggested using a magicka based detect potion. Stick with facts instead of erroneous assertions.

I just made a wild guess. But really, idk what you have in mind, I can only guess.

I assumed you had some basic knowledge of what is available in PvP since you comment often in these threads and would have not suggested one of the more absurd choices.

I will help you out then. For starters, when I run with a small group of a handful of players only one or two of us have counters and it varies based on who is running it. We tend to organize well and players run what they are told to.

For when I run solo I often go after gankers so it makes sense for me to run a counter. On stam I use camoflage hunter since it does have a chance to also proc a damage boost. I do realize players can come up with all sorts of excuses for not running such a skill or any counter but I prefer to use solutions and it works well.

stamblades literally do not matter in group play. However, stamDk is a class that mainly excels at 1vX potato mashing and solo PvP, so I have to solve the stamblade problem by MYSELF, not by relying on the power of group play.

The fact that you actually recommend camo hunter tells me you talk without actual experience though.

Coming from someone who's first thought of a cloak counter for stam was magicak based potions, I take that as a compliment.

You are the one who expressed a challenge with NBs and are just making an excuse for not using a solution.

Ragnarock41

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I lose to NBs with Stamdk and stamsorc, i have played stamsorc most, they both rely on dizzy swing. When i relog on NB/templar/Warden/magsorc the very same NBs die over and over. And what do those classes have in common? None of them Even have dizzy in their kit, because its optional If i want to use it ot not. Because they have class skills / spammables that do competitive pvp damage and can be anicanceled or have high enough damage that it is a good enough addition to whatever else u use in your combos

Cloak and dodge roll are both very effective counters to dizzying swing, and as if thats not enough, nightblades are immune to dots while in cloak.

We are talking melee ranged. If this is part of the problem OP is having then they need to start using a counter. Counters effectively counter all of that.

So what ? I'm stating facts. But let me guess, according to your forum book of ''counters'' I should use a magicka based detect potion as STAMINA DK, while that nightblade is probably using stamina + physical resistance potions, putting me at a good disadvantage...

just to hit my spammable, right? The same way ranged classes used to be forced into slotting beams or using melee abilities against wings. So wings nerf was an accident right? Cause forums says if something has a counter it should be totally fine for gameplay huh.

I did not dispute your fact. I merely pointed out a solution that is a fact.

It is sad you turn to putting words into my mouth with such petty misleading statements. I never suggested using a magicka based detect potion. Stick with facts instead of erroneous assertions.

I just made a wild guess. But really, idk what you have in mind, I can only guess.

I assumed you had some basic knowledge of what is available in PvP since you comment often in these threads and would have not suggested one of the more absurd choices.

I will help you out then. For starters, when I run with a small group of a handful of players only one or two of us have counters and it varies based on who is running it. We tend to organize well and players run what they are told to.

For when I run solo I often go after gankers so it makes sense for me to run a counter. On stam I use camoflage hunter since it does have a chance to also proc a damage boost. I do realize players can come up with all sorts of excuses for not running such a skill or any counter but I prefer to use solutions and it works well.

stamblades literally do not matter in group play. However, stamDk is a class that mainly excels at 1vX potato mashing and solo PvP, so I have to solve the stamblade problem by MYSELF, not by relying on the power of group play.

The fact that you actually recommend camo hunter tells me you talk without actual experience though.

Coming from someone who's first thought of a cloak counter for stam was magicak based potions, I take that as a compliment.

You are the one who expressed a challenge with NBs and are just making an excuse for not using a solution.

Really, your made up solution is used by quite literally nobody, because it is not a solution, it is there as a forum argument for know-it-alls like you who talk too much but don't actually try things out for themselves.

idk

No i have another idea... (comment)

.I prefer to speak from experience in actual PvP vs making excuses.

Ragnarock41

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

idk wrote: »

.I prefer to speak from experience in actual PvP vs making excuses.

Really, so you're telling me you used camo hunter against a nightblade that was not standing in your face which is the camo hunter range, and then even had enough time to land a dizzy swing on them? Are you sure you were not fighting someone AFK or your memories are made up?

4000 hours of ESO and I've NEVER seen anybody use camo hunter effectively , to no one's suprise when I tried it myself one day since nightblade meta was on the rise for a year or so, I realized it was literally not working as advertized.

idk

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Ragnarock41 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

.I prefer to speak from experience in actual PvP vs making excuses.

Really, so you're telling me you used camo hunter against a nightblade that was not standing in your face which is the camo hunter range, and then even had enough time to land a dizzy swing on them? Are you sure you were not fighting someone AFK or your memories are made up?

Have you actually read what I have said? I tend to hunt gankers. I said that very clearly. For one I tend to know what to expect vs the absurd situation you are trying to depict because my comments are inconvenient.

But if I were against a NB in a different situation and still had my hunter build setup I would pull them out of stealth. It works better than making excuses. Some of us can actually handle fighting non-afk players.

MartiniDaniels

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

LuxLunae wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

I main Stamsorc and are not far from Grand overlord, there is just 1 problem... I have to grind AP all over on a stamplar because i cant hit ppl with dizzy swing in PvP unless they are high or drunk dizzy is simply to slow, If i had a class spammable like most other classes i wouldnt have to 🙂👍 so what do u think? Is this something that should be fixed? Should it be fair for every one No matter what class u choose for PvP?

People seem to keep forgetting Jabs is reduced from Major Evasion 25%, it does it's damage over 1 second, it is considered multiple hits, Jabs stop working in pvp when there is a good amount of people in cyrodil. It becomes unreliable.

That's why after years of playing Templar I moved to the far better Stam DK and Stam NB....

Stop complaining about not having something and move on to something else...You played that class, learned it, and you can't get what you want from it... move on..

If you are going to complain about what you die from and rerolling to it, go ahead and reroll to it... USE IT... DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT HAVING SOMETHING ON A CLASS YOU KEEP RIDING!!!

I know I would probably be a better pvper if i played magplar...but I hate the low stam pool...therefor I DONT PLAY MAGPLAR!!!

You see, zos, my complaint is different... They gave magplars the 66% damage in front sweeps that was given to stamplars back in the day... That was my bread and butter back in the day....Then they gave stampalars (oh your light attacks do 40% more damage) sweep... ok.... like wow that was REAAALY COOL!!

I tried to implement that... seriously...using some warewolf set that makes my light attacks faster...with some other thing that gives light attack some execute damage... it just didn't work out...

It was then I knew zos has a problem with their system...If I can't beat a person with light and heavy attacks... there's either a need for a new class (fighter) or a new set to fix that ...

You know I just realized that the mag sweeps stacks off highest stat right? So 66% sweeps in front ...

Stam Sweeps DAMAGE+ DAMAGE*.50= critical strike
Mag Sweeps DAMAGE+DAMAGE*.66= regular strike

but if I was a magplar
mag sweeps Damage+Damage*.66+DAMAGE*.50= WOW!

So as stamplar I should still be using mag sweeps...even if it don't crit... hmm....

Imagine complaining about stamplar damage in U24. Properly build stamplar have insane damage, probably highest possible dps in current patch.

Yet I kill more with Stam DK and Stam NB... it's not about the damage.. its about the playstyle.. next time maybe everybody will find that out...

Also I never complained about damage.. I just said I prefered Stam DK and Stam NB...

Also go play stamplar if you love it so much...you wanna do damage go play it.. that 's pretty much what I said...

Try to use onslaught instead of sweep and you'll see true power of jabs. Oh, you want instant cast ultimate? We want instant cast spammable, it's that simple

Valykc

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

DK has stone fist though it needs some adjustments yet

Ragnarock41

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

Valykc wrote: »

DK has stone fist though it needs some adjustments yet

It will get adjustments however will they adress the issues properly is the real question here. I guess we will find out soon.

Strider__Roshin

Force pulse is a solid mag weapon spammable. The stamina ones are complete garbage. Make wrecking blow an instant cast, and life would be preachy for non-stamblades.

MashmalloMan

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

All classes deserve a class spammable option. Period. This argument based on "It would be too OP" is so silly, there is so many different ways to balance it and there is now only 2/12 specs in the game without a class spammable. Is it completely necessary? No, not really. Would it help with build options and class identity, 100%. So ZOS should make it work.

There are a ton of options available now that weren't available before. To say Dizzying Swing is the only option for a stam sorc/stam dk is only 1 point of view. I personally don't like it and I use other options. It completely depends on your playstyle. The reason it doesn't work for some, is the environment and playstyle, lag and if you're using a controller or not. Most people who use it successfully have solid pings and use mouse + keyboard so aiming it is much easier since you can side strafe faster than you can back peddling to avoid aiming issues. Controller aiming is simply harder, especially when the ability is easily cancelled by walking through the caster, it becomes frustrating very quickly.

I don't even use a traditional spammable anymore, I use stampede + VMA 2h on my stam sorc because I find it fun to zip around with streak and stampede, spreading aoe and dot damage. From entirely a BG perspective, I'm almost always the top damage dealer in the match, but I know the drawbacks of my build. It doesn't have the reliable burst to fight one on one, the high damage isn't all that matters, but the build helps my team secure kills so I'm happy with it.

So to the OP. You've made unclear comparisons to abilities that are not spammables, they're delayed burst abilities, as if to support your argument which is simply the wrong approach. As far as I can tell, there may be a slight language barrier because although you have played for 5 years, you're judgement on most of the general spammables are narrow minded.

To your earlier comments, Mag Sorc doesn't have a class spammable, but they have amazing delayed burst which allows them to secure kills. Mag sorcs have little room for bar space in the first place. It doesn't mean they don't deserve one, but it's not a complete hinderance like it may seem.

Lastly, DK got a spammable and they won't be getting a new one anytime soon. ZOS already indicated they're design was not final and they were aware adjustments might be required. Now is the time to make compelling arguments for HOW you want Stone Fist to function because that is what they are sticking with. Honestly, as others have mentioned, it wouldn't take much to make it a more compelling spammable, but it's overloaded right now, taking away from some of the power budget would help it become more reliable.

MashmalloMan

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

Karmanorway wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Not really understanding your problem, honestly. My lightning mage doesn’t have a class spammable either, but he is who he is and I’m not redoing him as someone he isn’t just because the sorcerer class has no lightning damage “spammable” attack.

Daedric curse, crystal blast are some.
Weapon spammables:
Force shock, destructive touch. Those are spammable because they can be animation canceled.

Dizzy swing have a few secs cast time too but the skill cant be canceled, which means your enemy has time to react, u never hit

Daedric Curse is a delayed burst ability.

Crystal Blast is never used due to it's cast time, it completely takes away from timing your burst as a mag sorc, that's why Crystal Shards is the bis ability and it's treated as a delayed burst ability to in that you only cast it when it becomes available to time with other abilities. Different mechanic, but it falls under the same category that Warden Shalks, NB Bow, Templar POL and Necro Blastbones and Stam Sorc Bound Armaments fall under.

Then you go on to suggest mag weapon spammables, but none of those are actually unique to Sorc so you can say the exact same thing for stam Sorc and stam DK. It's not as much of a hinderance for mSorc since they have some of the best delayed burst in the game.

Karmanorway wrote: »

Yea but stonefist doesnt really hit that hard though, thats why no one runs it except maybe tanks. Its the same as stamsorcs Bound armor, this dagers dont hit for (snip) 😂

(edited for bypassing profanity filter)

Bound Armaments is for delayed burst, does it hit hard? Yes. Comparable to other classes delayed burst. IS it effective? Not really. It still needs adjustments the same way Stonefist needs adjustments, after just 1 patch, I'm currious to see where they take these abilities.

Karmanorway wrote: »

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

There's always crushing weapon.

Yes, that would require a LA build to be viable for enough dmg IMO. Good mentiin though, wouldnt mind more skills like that

You should always be light attack weaving. It doesn't require a build that buffs light attack damage since the ability itself is it's own damage, it does not count as a light attack. It's just another spammable, but it requires light attacking to proc. Is it super effective in PVP? Not really, but the damage and healing is nice, the range and small delayed burst is nice as well.

Karmanorway wrote: »

Browart wrote: »

daggers are not spammable for stamsorc, stonefist just need a bit adjustements and now its a spam. Tanks cant always use fist and i saw few times stamdk with stonefist.

Really? I swear when i go to Bergama and join pvp fights i never see any stamdk use that, never see it on my death recap in BGs or cyrodiil either. They could rework Bound armor so you dont need light attacks to charge up knives, and buff stonefist

I'd much rather them justify Bound Armaments as a useful and reliable delayed burst ability then have them gut it for a spammable. A spammable will not help stam sorcs secure kills since we can already use many of the spammables in the game. What the class lacks is delayed burst that most other classes have at this point as I listed above which boun armaments can fulfill if it worked much more reliably.

Karmanorway wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Have you tried silver shards? Don't get me wrong it's not dswing/jab good but it's worth trying..I sometimes run it instead of dive

Yes but never in pvp when im solo, i dont expect my opponents to stay in the red circle. Its a good contribution If its group fight though

Silver shards doesnt make any red circles. It's a non class ranged single target spammable. One morph pulls target to you, and the other morph has splash damage.

Oh yeah the FGs version of chain, i suddenly thought of caltrops lol. Yea ive used it before long time ago, i was genuinely suprised when it actually pulled someone lol. The problems it doesnt hit hard and when i actually manage to pull someone in they can still roll dodge before that dizzy hits, or kill me with 2 suprise attacks before my dizzy lands

I only struggle with medium armor users because they get like 3 seconds to roll dodge before my dizzy lands. And its sooo annoying, i would gladly have damage nerf on dizzy if they in turn made it possible to animation cancel it

The morph that pulls your enemy (Silver Leash) does less damage and costs more by design now. It is not actually considered a "spammable", it falls under a utility style ability now. The Silver Shards morph is comparable to all instant spammables in the game in terms of damage and cost, it's auxillary effects are of course the fighters guild passives for 3% damage and +20% damage against undead/vampires as well as doing about 78% of the base damage to nearby targets and finally, it has 28m range.

So generally. I can see why @idk had issues with your statements, I don't think he was looking to win an argument with you, just that your point of view comes off as a bit misguided. Dizzy is not the only spammable in the game, it's very strong if you can use it properly ( I can't).There are options in the game you SEEM to misunderstand that you should give a shot. I say SEEM because thats what your comments come accross as, misinformed.

The fact remains, should all classes have a class spammable, I say yes, but in the mean time, I urge you to try other options that are available. Don't forget, gap closers no longer have a minimum distance so they can be great spammables in many cases, just depends on your build and what your going for.

eso_lags

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

Starlock wrote: »

Not really understanding your problem, honestly. My lightning mage doesn’t have a class spammable either, but he is who he is and I’m not redoing him as someone he isn’t just because the sorcerer class has no lightning damage “spammable” attack.

hmmmm

Nordic__Knights

Tho dizzy is slow i seem to land 6/10 uses of it on players so you might want to fix your rotation up so that you get an stun before the dizzy so as to land it and not try to use it for setting up an stun as that makes hitting it an lil harder

Ladislao

MashmalloMan wrote: »

All classes deserve a class spammable option. Period.

All classes deserve its own identity.

Lack of spammable is part of sorcerers identity that has been maintained for the entire lifetime of the game. And their entire balance was built taking into account this feature, which is why sorcerers always felt good in both specs (well, except the first year for stam) even without spammable. And with that in mind, to say that the class deserves (meaning "needs") a class spammable option is really silly.

The fact that someone cannot adapt to a particular class, having a huge number of options provided by the game, is the problem of the player, not the class. I cannot play magplars but I do not ask them to be changed in any way. I either continue to improve, or give up, concluding that the class does not suit me. This is how the game works.

TBois

No i have another idea... (comment)

Power Slam is the spammable that the OP is looking for. They specifically asked for an instant cast spammable that does almost as much damage as dizzy swing. I just checked the build editor, and my dizzy swing has a 17k tooltip while power slam has a 15k tooltip. This problem seems to be solved.

Also as your dad always told you, there is a difference between need and want. Stam sorc does not need a class spammable.

MartiniDaniels

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

TBois wrote: »

Power Slam is the spammable that the OP is looking for. They specifically asked for an instant cast spammable that does almost as much damage as dizzy swing. I just checked the build editor, and my dizzy swing has a 17k tooltip while power slam has a 15k tooltip. This problem seems to be solved.

Also as your dad always told you, there is a difference between need and want. Stam sorc does not need a class spammable.

Damage output from Power slam is notably lower then from Dizzy. At the very least S&B bar have less WD and lack maul's penetration. I did ton of tests as of late on stamDK&stamplar. There are 3 best "pressure" spammables - dizzy, jabs and DK's lethal arrow (because it is absurdly cheap on DK). Lethal arrow of course have ton of weak sides and non-viable in resource towers, dizzy is good when it hits... jabs are simply amazing. There is no other word then a-m-a-z-i-n-g... So I may just translate all this spammables request like "give us spammable with dizzy damage but instant cast". Such requests may look absurd, but if we look at jabs they may be justified. (and I don't want jabs to be nerfed sincerely because I just race changed magplar which I hated into stamplar and damn, he is so fluid and pleasant to play)

Commancho

My tactic is to start defensive on sb backbar, reflect some range attacks, get some stack of power slam, then close gap with cc with invasion, combo power slam + deep lash +ransack, go backbar and spam executioner. You can do it on any stam class 😁

GawdSB

Lol, if you want every class to have a spammable giving every class healing and every class an executable while you're at it.

There are classes that are missing certain types of skills, either give every class everything on keep it as it is.

MartiniDaniels

Yes give a class spammable for stamdk and stamsorc

GawdSB wrote: »

Lol, if you want every class to have a spammable giving every class healing and every class an executable while you're at it.

There are classes that are missing certain types of skills, either give every class everything on keep it as it is.

DK was a dot class... and in this patch stamina dots are nothing. Attrition style is not viable, you need something that deals concentrated damage and not a "30k/3 over 14 seconds". MagDK has whip, leap and engulfing flames, stamDK has nothing other then leap. And leap is easily countered by block by aware opponent. So far something like dizzy/cc/onslaught/executioner is most viable, but dizzy is not reliable when game starts lagging as hell.

WrathOfInnos

I agree the 2h spammable is painful to use, but you have other options. Crushing Weapon is an instant spammable available to any class, which also heals you, procs Spell Orb for more burst, and gives you a shield every time you block, it just requires you to weave light attacks. Silver shards is another instant spammable option for any class, and it has long range, brings passive weapon damage, splashes multiple enemies, and gets bonus damage against undead, Daedra, werewolves and vampires.