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Someone trying to raise prices? Materials selling for a ridiculous amount of gold!

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So its Saturday night, i port around a few different zones and go through the guild stores. Nothing to special, but then i notice two guilds in vivec city and in particular 1 player that is for some reason selling Nickel, Heartwood, Bast and Regulus for a crazy amount of gold. Just Curious on whats going on, especially with the gold laundering thats happend over the last week.

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Edited by GOAT4EVAR on December 22, 2019 2:06AM
  • Aisleyne
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    They are materials used to craft the furnishings for New Life event writs. You need lots of them to complete the writs and demand is high atm.
    Edited by Aisleyne on December 22, 2019 2:09AM
  • GOAT4EVAR
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    How many do you need to complete the event writs? Still seems way too expensive in my mind.
  • Aisleyne
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    GOAT4EVAR wrote: »
    How many do you need to complete the event writs? Still seems way too expensive in my mind.

    I couldn't say exactly without looking, but I know I spent close to 40 heartwood on a single writ. For most of them, you need to craft 12 furnishings for a single writ...with say 3-5 mats of each material the craft calls for. For people using the writs to collect the new outfit style, materials are being burned through very quickly.
  • Reverb
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    That’s bold, considering that NPC merchants sell Nickel for 15 gold each :D
    Edited by Reverb on December 22, 2019 2:37AM
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  • MartiniDaniels
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    Reverb wrote: »
    That’s bold, considering that NPC merchants sell Nickel for 15 gold each :D

    Time is money :D you save yourself ~195 clicks that way
  • SeaGtGruff
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    Trade guilds call it "supply and demand." I call it price gouging. Thank goodness I don't need to buy any.
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  • furiouslog
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    Reverb wrote: »
    That’s bold, considering that NPC merchants sell Nickel for 15 gold each :D

    Time is money :D you save yourself ~195 clicks that way

    Or you could use "buy multiple".
  • Major_Lag
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    Reverb wrote: »
    That’s bold, considering that NPC merchants sell Nickel for 15 gold each :D

    Time is money :D you save yourself ~195 clicks that way
    Not when you can simply right-click at the NPC vendor and "Buy Multiple"... up to 999 at a time :D
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    SeaGtGruff wrote: »
    Trade guilds call it "supply and demand." I call it price gouging. Thank goodness I don't need to buy any.

    The other option is they wouldn’t sell any at all because it’s more worthwhile to keep for their own writs, etc. I don’t even look at selling materials unless they’re going for higher prices. So yes, it is supply and demand and ridiculous to call it price gouging. Usually mats like these are available for a wide array of prices anyway and it is likely that with higher demand, lower priced listings were bought up. And people always have the option to collect their own heartwood to fulfill these writs if they want to do them at all.
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    SeaGtGruff wrote: »
    Trade guilds call it "supply and demand." I call it price gouging. Thank goodness I don't need to buy any.

    It’s not supply and demand, it’s called price fixing.

    People buy up entire markets and relist items for more gold. It’s been happening in MMOs forever.

    You can use it to sell items quickly though, I don’t mind. The people getting ripped off are those who aren’t self sufficient.
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  • Anotherone773
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    Capitalism is not a crime. Remember something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. Now, i think i will log in and capitalize on this new information. :D
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    Low supply/high demand is what makes "price fixing" feasible. Was planning to sell some of those mats but turns out I will need them myself, I'm sure many others are in the same boat.
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    an item is only as valuable as people make it. that's how I turned around and sold a 19k motif for 100k. twice. (that's why all the Order Hour Helmets motifs are between 80-110k on TTC right now for NA-PC).
    it's why people will pay big bucks for new content (gear, motif, furnishings, etc) when a new zone/chapter/DLC drops, even if those exact same items will sell for <10% of the initial price within a couple weeks.
    There was some chump who tried to monopolize a motif worth 9.5-10k and make it worth 150k. he was resoundingly unsuccessful, but I managed to list one for 75k and someone bought it up. you just gotta be willing to take chances, sometimes.

    the guild listing fees are in place to discourage you from listing things too high/too often, but don't be afraid to take a few risks here or there.

    TL;DR—Capitalism. but also, just buy Nickel for 15g from NPCs. they sell it, y'know/
    Edited by Zulera301 on December 22, 2019 4:29AM
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  • Ryath_Waylander
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    Reverb wrote: »
    That’s bold, considering that NPC merchants sell Nickel for 15 gold each :D

    Time is money :D you save yourself ~195 clicks that way

    No actually. Last time I went to a merchant for manganese, I right clicked by mistake and got the option to type in the amount I wanted to buy, one shot :)
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    Well yeah, there was a recipe I didn´t know where to get (since I am apparently functionally blind to grey 'hints' text after so many puzzle quests ruined by having the game tell me the answer), and saw it in TTC for 2000 gold. Saw the hint in time and bought off NPC for, I think, 270 gold.

    Anyway the 'time is money' is actually kind of an interesting argument. Apart from the fact that I have other things to do than play the game, that is time that could be spent getting gold in other ways (if getting gold is your goal).

    I just did an extremely rough estimate, killing Rift zombies for 2 mins and dividing the value by 2 to get per minute. I could make 108 gold per minute just by selling to NPCs. And this is on my new main character who is only lvl 25. When she´s got skills up to par and good gear, IC farming could net me 10 times that I think. And that´s not counting the times you just strike gold with that super high value object.
    Edited by MaleAmazon on December 22, 2019 7:59AM
  • MartiniDaniels
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    furiouslog wrote: »
    Reverb wrote: »
    That’s bold, considering that NPC merchants sell Nickel for 15 gold each :D

    Time is money :D you save yourself ~195 clicks that way

    Or you could use "buy multiple".
    Major_Lag wrote: »
    Reverb wrote: »
    That’s bold, considering that NPC merchants sell Nickel for 15 gold each :D

    Time is money :D you save yourself ~195 clicks that way
    Not when you can simply right-click at the NPC vendor and "Buy Multiple"... up to 999 at a time :D
    Reverb wrote: »
    That’s bold, considering that NPC merchants sell Nickel for 15 gold each :D

    Time is money :D you save yourself ~195 clicks that way

    No actually. Last time I went to a merchant for manganese, I right clicked by mistake and got the option to type in the amount I wanted to buy, one shot :)

    Oh my.. visiting forum sometimes pay off :D thanks for info!

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    The number of guildies who don’t know that NPC’s sell nickel or that they sell all the recipes for the writs is staggering.

    It’s a bit of a shame that ZOS don’t make this clear, or have a specific character providing all the easy to buy materials alongside the Impressario to help people complete these writs. Or they could give the various crafting writ enablers some seasonal New Life attire and dialogue to explain things in more detail while introducing players to the crafting system. A bit of effort and imagination could have been used here.

    I get that part of the point of the charity writs must be to reduce the levels of certain materials in players’ hands, but if they’re also about introducing people to crafting, then not explaining anything and enabling players to get ripped off is a crappy way of doing things.

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    Aisleyne wrote: »
    They are materials used to craft the furnishings for New Life event writs. You need lots of them to complete the writs and demand is high atm.

    This and players may be trying to take advantage of that and hoping they can unload those matts for some shiny gold.
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    FierceSam wrote: »
    The number of guildies who don’t know that NPC’s sell nickel or that they sell all the recipes for the writs is staggering.

    It’s a bit of a shame that ZOS don’t make this clear, or have a specific character providing all the easy to buy materials alongside the Impressario to help people complete these writs. Or they could give the various crafting writ enablers some seasonal New Life attire and dialogue to explain things in more detail while introducing players to the crafting system. A bit of effort and imagination could have been used here.

    I get that part of the point of the charity writs must be to reduce the levels of certain materials in players’ hands, but if they’re also about introducing people to crafting, then not explaining anything and enabling players to get ripped off is a crappy way of doing things.

    To be entirely fair to ZOS, the NPC who certifies you to do crafting writs That require style mats does explain that the crafting NPCs like smiths will sell you basic style mats.

    So in the actual quests that're designed to teach you to craft, ZOS certainly does teach players how/where to buy style mats.

    I don't think they intended for the various festival writs to serve as handholding introductory quests for people who never craft except when they want holiday rewards. They already have handholding introductory quests available for anyone who's like "I never craft. What do I do?"

    That being said, if they wanted to make things easier for players, they could put an NPC in Breda's pavilion who sells the furnishing recipes and nickel.
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    That being said, if they wanted to make things easier for players, they could put an NPC in Breda's pavilion who sells the furnishing recipes and nickel.
    Uhh, and that would accomplish... what, exactly? Can't craft anything at Breda's pavilion, in any case.

    You can already buy both the style materials and the furnishing recipes at NPC vendors in crafting areas, what more is needed?
  • VaranisArano
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    Major_Lag wrote: »
    That being said, if they wanted to make things easier for players, they could put an NPC in Breda's pavilion who sells the furnishing recipes and nickel.
    Uhh, and that would accomplish... what, exactly? Can't craft anything at Breda's pavilion, in any case.

    You can already buy both the style materials and the furnishing recipes at NPC vendors in crafting areas, what more is needed?

    It addresses the complaint I was discussing that ZOS didn't make it obvious enough for non-crafters that NPCs sell recipes and style mats.

    I mean, when i got my first writ this season, I double checked the NPCs at Breda's pavilion to see if any of them sold the recipes for the crates because I think I know that recipe, but I couldn't remember. They didn't, so my next stop will be those crafting NPCs when I collect more writs.

    But you are correct - full handholding mode requires a crafting pavilion attached to Breda's :)
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    Reverb wrote: »
    That’s bold, considering that NPC merchants sell Nickel for 15 gold each :D

    I know.

    I was just going to say...
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    Capitalism is not a crime.

    Are you sure?

    Sometimes it is.

    Trying to charge 100g for something easily accessible, that vendors for 15g, seems like daylight robbery, to me.

    30g, or 40g? OK.

    Still taking advantage of the uninitiated, but still.

    100g? Nope.
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    I need to list my nickel, fast. Brb
  • randomkeyhits
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    FierceSam wrote: »
    The number of guildies who don’t know that NPC’s sell nickel or that they sell all the recipes for the writs is staggering.

    Did they always sell the recipes? I have memories of fishy stick being very hard to find and being very happy when it did drop. After that I then I made quite a nice chunk of coin selling stacks of 10 of the consumable in the guild store
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  • redgreensunset
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    Major_Lag wrote: »
    That being said, if they wanted to make things easier for players, they could put an NPC in Breda's pavilion who sells the furnishing recipes and nickel.
    Uhh, and that would accomplish... what, exactly? Can't craft anything at Breda's pavilion, in any case.

    You can already buy both the style materials and the furnishing recipes at NPC vendors in crafting areas, what more is needed?

    It addresses the complaint I was discussing that ZOS didn't make it obvious enough for non-crafters that NPCs sell recipes and style mats.

    I mean, when i got my first writ this season, I double checked the NPCs at Breda's pavilion to see if any of them sold the recipes for the crates because I think I know that recipe, but I couldn't remember. They didn't, so my next stop will be those crafting NPCs when I collect more writs.

    But you are correct - full handholding mode requires a crafting pavilion attached to Breda's :)

    While I agree with the style mats, that could be made clearer, every single New Life writ quest I've picked up not only tells me that vendors sell the receipt, it tells me exactly which one (blacksmith, clothier or woodcrafter) sells it. That part isn't a fault on ZOS' part but a learn2read issue on the players.
    When I get in the game tonight, if I get any receipts, I'll try to remember to screen shot it.
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    Major_Lag wrote: »
    That being said, if they wanted to make things easier for players, they could put an NPC in Breda's pavilion who sells the furnishing recipes and nickel.
    Uhh, and that would accomplish... what, exactly? Can't craft anything at Breda's pavilion, in any case.

    You can already buy both the style materials and the furnishing recipes at NPC vendors in crafting areas, what more is needed?

    It addresses the complaint I was discussing that ZOS didn't make it obvious enough for non-crafters that NPCs sell recipes and style mats.

    I mean, when i got my first writ this season, I double checked the NPCs at Breda's pavilion to see if any of them sold the recipes for the crates because I think I know that recipe, but I couldn't remember. They didn't, so my next stop will be those crafting NPCs when I collect more writs.

    But you are correct - full handholding mode requires a crafting pavilion attached to Breda's :)

    While I agree with the style mats, that could be made clearer, every single New Life writ quest I've picked up not only tells me that vendors sell the receipt, it tells me exactly which one (blacksmith, clothier or woodcrafter) sells it. That part isn't a fault on ZOS' part but a learn2read issue on the players.
    When I get in the game tonight, if I get any receipts, I'll try to remember to screen shot it.

    That's cool! I looked very briefly at the Skaal one when I got it and didn't accept it, which explains why I didn't see any info like that. That's a personal quirk - collecting the writs first, then accepting them so that I don't ever get locked into a writ quest I can't do.
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    Aisleyne wrote: »
    They are materials used to craft the furnishings for New Life event writs. You need lots of them to complete the writs and demand is high atm.

    imagine basic style mats are bought from vendors for 15g/each.../facepalm
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    @xenowarrior92eb17_ESO I'm aware of that. The OP was worried about gold laundering and mentioned Nickel, Heartwood, Bast and Regulus. I was just explaining that those items are used heavily for the event, not endorsing price gouging on nickle. D:
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    Tigerseye wrote: »
    Capitalism is not a crime.

    Are you sure?

    Sometimes it is.

    Trying to charge 100g for something easily accessible, that vendors for 15g, seems like daylight robbery, to me.

    30g, or 40g? OK.

    Still taking advantage of the uninitiated, but still.

    100g? Nope.

    Why? Is he forcing you to buy it?
    If you don't want to spend 100g on something easily accessible, just go and get it from someplace else.
    Having Monopoly on a market, now that is a different story entirely.
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