Yes. Now go away.

I agree 💯. All gap closers should stun.

Please stop.

Yes, but the stun should not stack, to let other players the room to counter the stun.

Rianai wrote: »

There is no general answer. No need for more homogenisation. It is ok for some gapcloser to stun, but not all should do the same.

True, but all gap closers should definitely be as good as Toppling Charge, having some other powerful effect if not a stun. Melee combat needs more reward, and ranged combat needs more risk. Too many awful nerfs have been implemented by ZOS on behalf of potatoes crying that they got killed while spamming Snipe or Beam from their zerg.

All gap closers should stun, but only when they're hitting YOU. It is my belief.

NBrookus wrote: »

Option 3: It depends on what else the skill does. Homogenisation is bad.

This. I think it’s ok for gap closers to stun, which isn’t the same as thinking all should stun. Each should have a secondary utility. Stun, Defile, Fracture/Breach, grant Empowerment or another buff...something.

It would be dope if ZoS would gap close and stun lock this thread too.

a gap close should stun by its very nature if something travels x distance and smashes you its gonna stun you if not knock you back as well, so it should be in game also.

Warning: Opinions ahead.

Ignoring the fact that this thread is a thinly veiled attempt to damage control the last thread that was made on this topic and has no in-between answer further exacerbating the issue, whether or not a skill should have a certain effect should be less based on a blanket statement (i.e., 'no gap closers should stun', 'no spammables should apply a snare', etc.) and more evaluated by power budget on an individual basis. For example, Toppling is a gap closer that stuns, but the right answer isn't always to remove to stun. However, (((WARNING: OPINION))) Toppling is over budgeted on power; it has too many effects and procs attached to it. The idea should be to remove some of the power from the skill, whether that's removing the stun or some damage or the ability to proc passives or whatever else is deemed fit for that individual skill, the class kit, and the game overall.

Blanket rules lead to boring, homogeneous classes and a boring, homogeneous game.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Absolutely hell no, that's just putting back in 100% gap closer snare again. We fought insanely hard to have that removed, because it was absolutely horrible.

There is a big difference between a gap close that might stun me if I fail to block, dodge, pop immovable potion, in Mist Form, etc., and an unavoidable mechanic that trumps the "you cannot be snared" state that I have spent resources to get.

You would think, except that in practice at the peak of the current learning curve it's really not. It's a marginal difference at best, and still caters to zergling pile-on. In practice against players at the top of the learning curve, power slamming like a human multibox is what they do. Giving them that is just making that process that much more one button ezmoad.

I mean think about it, are you going to engage a group, if there is a possibility that 4+ of them can stun slam you any time with melee damage? Unless you are a block tank, you aren't blocking in an engagement scenario where you are outnumbered, because that requires stopping, which just puts you at greater risk anyway. Dodge I can see being practical if the mechanics allow it, but the cost to counter ratio of gap close to dodge means given enough gap close stuns, you lose. Not even speaking to the fact that in practice every time they tinker with gap close it gets a little more painful. Mist has the same problem and is relegated to vampirism.

Essentially it will force you to spam forward momentum and make it mandatory.

Gap closers won't stun if you counter. L2P