All of these issues—and more—have been brought forward to the team, most vociferously by Glory and I. That said, I’m not privy to any resolutions or high level design reworks (which it needs imo). Blastbones is bad, tethers are bad, the class requires resources that are both quick to expire and in demand for a number of their skills—this inhibits tactical play since you just use them or lose them. They’re supposed to be an “area denial” class, which is okay in PvE since mobs are dumb, but terrible in PvP since people—usually—aren’t.

I could go on regarding the class’s mechanical issues, but then there’s also the fact that it simply doesn’t feel or behave like a ‘traditional’ necro, nor does it even behave as do the NPCs in ESO. We could call this the “lived experience” if you will: what the player learns of and expects from the world as taught to us by the game/ developers. On that point, I believe myself and many other players experience cognitive dissonance. Why can some trash mob in Rivenspire command armies of permanent pets and undead and all my stuff is a glorified DoT that disappears in 8-16s?

It is in their road map to address how pets function. I’m failry sure they are aware. And if we are to be optimistic, the soonest you may see an improvement is Q2 2020.

@Zer0oo Which set should get procct by Blastbones you actually need in combat?

Also the points are not based on your blastbones hitting as your damage or not. Deal just a bit of damage in any way and you get an assist, or even Kill your opponent directly, if Blastbones kills them, I am pretty sure you get the kill anyway and with that the points.

In healing I get your point but not on the damage side.

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

My feeling is because their design philosophy was flawed from the start. They were so focused on "not making it just like a sorcerer, but with undead pets" they went with some weird hybrid class that really doesn't play like a traditional necromancer at all. The corpse mechanic is good but the rest feels gimmicky and lacks direction, and a blatant rip off of Diablo's 3 necromancer. Not only that, the skills are nothing like the necromancer NPC's that exist in game. Those that we have are not thought out well IMO.

While my opinion on this is not popular, I feel the class needs overhauling into a proper pet class. Let us have a permanent pet, say an undead version of trash mobs that can't leave the zone, but retain all there abilities. How cool would that be?

Also get rid on that dumb bone colossus. It's a construct, not a metamorphosis. Let us have a some form of lich transformation, with an ability to conceal our true from for a short time to go in towns etc. It fits in well with the crime mechanic, and is more lore friendly.

The proble is that lich tranformation is a permanent thing

The saddest thing is ZoS nerfed necromancer two patches in a row than fix skills

I'm guessing they're already focused on the Skyrim update, ready to churn that out. Fixing stuff doesn't bring in new subscribers, unfortunately.

Noxavian wrote: »

CAB_Life wrote: »

All of these issues—and more—have been brought forward to the team, most vociferously by Glory and I. That said, I’m not privy to any resolutions or high level design reworks (which it needs imo). Blastbones is bad, tethers are bad, the class requires resources that are both quick to expire and in demand for a number of their skills—this inhibits tactical play since you just use them or lose them. They’re supposed to be an “area denial” class, which is okay in PvE since mobs are dumb, but terrible in PvP since people—usually—aren’t.

I could go on regarding the class’s mechanical issues, but then there’s also the fact that it simply doesn’t feel or behave like a ‘traditional’ necro, nor does it even behave as do the NPCs in ESO. We could call this the “lived experience” if you will: what the player learns of and expects from the world as taught to us by the game/ developers. On that point, I believe myself and many other players experience cognitive dissonance. Why can some trash mob in Rivenspire command armies of permanent pets and undead and all my stuff is a glorified DoT that disappears in 8-16s?

YES THANK YOU.

Please continue to try and tell the team about this.

I'm very glad you understand how bad it is to see LITERAL NOVICE NPCS raising the dead and controlling like 2-3 zombies or skeletons meanwhile I'm sitting here with the ability to not raise the dead at all? Like, I genuinely feel like the class would be so much better if instead of doing the things we currently do with corpses, we replace all corpse abilities with ones that raise a certain type of undead from a corpse. It always boggled my mind how we have a literal CORPSE MECHANIC but yet we don't raise any undead from corpses as pets/minions? Also personally I feel like either the tanking or healing skill line needs to be reworked into a pet-based one. A necromancer shouldn't be able to do all things imo. A healing necromancer just sounds very silly in both practice and on paper.

I'd really like to hear your opinion on this @CAB_Life!

A number of suggestions were floated to the team: a permanent pet or two—or even a temporary horde ala WoW Death Knights. Re: healing. I don’t know why Necro healing doesn’t have more damage > steal health since that’s thematically much more in line with the concept of the transference/ theft/ manipulation of life-force. I‘ve mentioned to them the lack of the actual minor (or major?) lifesteal status effect in the basic Necro kit. This seems like a super strange oversight.

I also recently did an extensive write up of the collated complaints and suggestions of long time Necro players (I’ve been maining one of each type since the last Chapter’s launch for data collection reasons), and I’m just having Gina look over a few details before sending it off. I’ll be sure to post the results of any future, internal, feedback or discussions to which I’m privy as permitted.

Don’t give up on the class yet!