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why do you attack people who complain?
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ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭My favorite is being called an entitled whiner when I suggest that I actually be allowed to play the game I've sunk hundreds of dollars into. No worries though, because I haven't been able to play for the last two patches and support has nothing to say about it - bringing it up here is just taboo, so best to let it drop and forget about the thousands of hours and rl dollars wasted.
Can't have a discussion about it here though, because I don't want to be an entitled whiner. I rarely comment on anything here or on reddit, just pop in from time to time to see if there is a plan to make it so the service I pay for is actually delivered. It's really too bad - I loved the game and want nothing more than to play it again, but the toxicity from the fan club has for the most part has really made me detest the community here.
So I get plagued with performance problems - it's like being the wounded shark in a frenzy. Yesterday they were your comrades in arms, now they're eating you because your game doesn't run anymore.5 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭Funny how much effort was suddenly put in to hinting of a particular group of friends with hurt ego's. And the harassment they shriek about, is exactly what they're doing, in before lock!
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GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.2 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭Don't ask peoples opinions if you can't cope with 'em.Edit = Typos ... as usual. <;D4
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GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭InaMoonlight wrote: »Don't ask peoples opinions if you can't cope with 'em.
Lawl says the person who thinks saying "that was easy" after a bgs win is "toxic"3 -
MercilessnVexed✭✭✭✭They attack people, period, because it is the only way that they feel they have power and control over others, which makes them feel superior. The ol' holier-than-thou routine. Gets old.6 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »InaMoonlight wrote: »Don't ask peoples opinions if you can't cope with 'em.
Lawl says the person who thinks saying "that was easy" after a bgs win is "toxic"
Big difference between "That was easy" and the WAY more insulting form of just wriing ezpz...
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InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭InaMoonlight wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »InaMoonlight wrote: »Don't ask peoples opinions if you can't cope with 'em.
Lawl says the person who thinks saying "that was easy" after a bgs win is "toxic"
Big difference between "That was easy" and the WAY more insulting form of just wriing ezpz...
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Honestly, on this and many other internet forums, it seems the opposite. Say anything positive, get buried in a wave of "fanboi" "white knight" "shill" "corporate apologist" etc.
Eh, whatever.9 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Honestly, on this and many other internet forums, it seems the opposite. Say anything positive, get buried in a wave of "fanboi" "white knight" "shill" "corporate apologist" etc.
Eh, whatever.
Same happens here
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GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Honestly, on this and many other internet forums, it seems the opposite. Say anything positive, get buried in a wave of "fanboi" "white knight" "shill" "corporate apologist" etc.
Eh, whatever.
There is alot of positive things about this game, otherwise I would not have played it for 5 years. Besides the usual complaining about skill changes and what have you, which is normal is any game, people complain about one central thing now. Performance. And it is a bit funny when people come out like "I do writs and decorate me house and I have no lag" it's like a cute innocence. But when someone comes to try and say "I was in a massive prime time PvP keep fight and had no lag" anyone who pvps knows that's a lie.Edited by GhostofDatthaw on December 6, 2019 6:54PM1 -
AhPook_Is_Here✭✭✭✭✭
✭You know people are going to dog-pile on the whiner, who wants to get left out of that?“Whatever.”
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Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, sometimes people on the forums take things too far because they disagree with the dev team... That dizzy forum spam was annoying. I just ghosted the forums then. Wait, I think its about time for a billion more topics on dizzy swing to be made again... 1 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Well, sometimes people on the forums take things too far because they disagree with the dev team... That dizzy forum spam was annoying. I just ghosted the forums then. Wait, I think its about time for a billion more topics on dizzy swing to be made again...
I don't think anything will match the shield change fiasco. That was a forum flood. Actually the one time complaining really worked xDEdited by GhostofDatthaw on December 6, 2019 6:58PM0 -
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Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Well, sometimes people on the forums take things too far because they disagree with the dev team... That dizzy forum spam was annoying. I just ghosted the forums then. Wait, I think its about time for a billion more topics on dizzy swing to be made again...
I don't think anything will match the shield change fiasco. That was a forum flood. Actually the one time complaining really worked xD
You have to admit cast time on shield was terrible in both thought and implementation. I still haven't slotted a shield on my mag chars in preparation for future shield nerfs 0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For the most part I do not think anyone is attacking anyone and certainly not because they complained.
Many complaints and suggestions come from a very parochial view point and do not take into account the varied aspects of this game and it's complexities. This is especially aperient when the person complaining takes offense to players disagreeing with them which sometimes leads to them trying to police their thread or attack those who dissent.
In the end it seems the person complaining or presents an idea tends to forget they chose to post that in the forums for everyone to add their two cents. It is not their threads.2 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?2 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.0 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭The more I think about the back seat driving topic the more I find it funny. Honestly a pts is them asking what the back seat drivers think.0
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Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?2 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Edit: FYI the funniest thing about my old account getting banned was they shut down multiple threads I had asking for updates oh shadow image without a reply. Then finally on the last one they ban me for "bumping" because I kept asking "aNy UpDaTe oN sHaDow iMaGE FiX?"Edited by GhostofDatthaw on December 6, 2019 8:05PM2 -
Kagukan✭✭✭✭✭
✭A lot of it is how the original poster comes across. If the post seems whiny expect backlash. If there is a legitimate concern and is expressed properly then expect mostly positive feedback.2 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.2 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.
Ok well then if I am ever in a car with you and the back tire is flat I will make sure to not say anythingEdited by GhostofDatthaw on December 6, 2019 8:06PM2 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I also love being lectured by “Glorious PC Master Race” bros whenever we complain about the game’s current poor performance on console. The onus is on ZOS to ensure that the game performs well on every platform, and yet the Glorious PC Master Race bros seem to feel the need to inform you how “mediocre“ your system is (despite being able to run any other supported AAA game with no problems).3
