Lady_Linux wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

1st person mode playing.. not see that often someone doing it in dungeon groups.

Came to see the lag, was impressed by 1st person healing. Awesomeness.

Oh and lag seems bad yeah on that video. Yesterday evening i was at Cyrodiil, surprisingly was not bad other than for a short moment i`m remembering.

My thoughts exactly. How on earth does anyone make it through a dungeon in first person? Only watched the first few minutes and people were popping in and out of healer's field of vision. Anyway, more power to you if you can make it work!

over two years that's all i play as. i cant get a handle on 3rd person . cant aim so well with it either...

Like all things, it's just a matter of practice. I remember switching from first person (ironically also with this kind of lag, but that's just my PC) to third person... It wasnt easy. As you said, aiming is suddenly so different. It felt like suddenly I was losing track of enemies and everything was so far away... Even though I technically had a bigger field of view, it felt like ai saw less. I definitely didn't switch first time I tried it. xD
I personally can't imagine going back to first person anymore, but obviously don't fix what isn't broken for you.

Kudos for first person play.

Next time enable the FPS and Latency indicator in the game to give added context to the performance.

Agree lag is attrocious on EU , i play AvA - Its a joke at times, well most of the time tbh

That isnt server lag. Server lag and computer lag look very different. One way you can tell if the server is lagging it looks like a real "time stop" spell. Everything but you will be frozen. You can still move around when the server is lagged because your client isnt lagging. Just any interaction with objects such as NPCS, doors, wayshrines wont work. But you can run all over the local area when the server is lagged.

When its your system, everything will freeze. It freezes until whatever hardware catches up and then you get a burst of play and then freeze while it catches up and then it will send another burst. Id bet $100 bill there is hardware on your PC that is spiking when that happens. And if i was a bettin' man id say its probably going to be your CPU is processing fast enough. The CPU has to compress that 4k video to stream it.

When that happens, running task manager in the background, alt tab to task manager and see what is spiking. CPU, memory, disk, or GPU. that will tell you where your problem is assuming the ping is really good. A great graphics card isnt enough to cut it for this game. You need a solid CPU, system ram, and HDD( SSD is better).

If youre trying to play in 4k and stream in like 1080p, you are going to need a really high end PC. Like an i9 processor, 32 GB ram, RTX card, and a 500GB SSD or bigger. That video has to be encoded and then uploaded. Your inet is fine. 5 mbps is enough to stream at 60 fps in 1080p. The encoding is going to be a resource hog though and so is ESO. So you need a high end machine to run two resource hogs at the same time.

Lady_Linux wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

That isnt server lag. Server lag and computer lag look very different. One way you can tell if the server is lagging it looks like a real "time stop" spell. Everything but you will be frozen. You can still move around when the server is lagged because your client isnt lagging. Just any interaction with objects such as NPCS, doors, wayshrines wont work. But you can run all over the local area when the server is lagged.

When its your system, everything will freeze. It freezes until whatever hardware catches up and then you get a burst of play and then freeze while it catches up and then it will send another burst. Id bet $100 bill there is hardware on your PC that is spiking when that happens. And if i was a bettin' man id say its probably going to be your CPU is processing fast enough. The CPU has to compress that 4k video to stream it.

When that happens, running task manager in the background, alt tab to task manager and see what is spiking. CPU, memory, disk, or GPU. that will tell you where your problem is assuming the ping is really good. A great graphics card isnt enough to cut it for this game. You need a solid CPU, system ram, and HDD( SSD is better).

If youre trying to play in 4k and stream in like 1080p, you are going to need a really high end PC. Like an i9 processor, 32 GB ram, RTX card, and a 500GB SSD or bigger. That video has to be encoded and then uploaded. Your inet is fine. 5 mbps is enough to stream at 60 fps in 1080p. The encoding is going to be a resource hog though and so is ESO. So you need a high end machine to run two resource hogs at the same time.

my system seems to be doing well while playing at 1080p in obs it stream ok too now that i have it set up. i'll see about more ram as it has dropped in price and maybe a better processor eventually but i have a limited income so cpu will have to wait.

Dont assume it is ram. Ram will only help if your CPU has a lot of "wait" cycles. If it has to wait to be sent more information to process. If your CPU is operating at 75% and your ram is at 52% then your current tasks dont even need all the ram you have so adding more would be a waste. Meanwhile 75% CPU utilization is pretty high.

Also faster clock speeds are not necessarily better. In fact OCing can often lead to headaches unless you know what you are doing. OCing makes a CPU/GPU run hotter and thus needs better cooling. Cooling is important for electronics. The hotter they run, the worse they run. AMD has been notorious for years for running hot quickly and being terrible at doing anything once it gets outside of its optimal temperature range. Intel does far better with heat.

I probably wouldnt put a lot of money into your current system if you want to do streaming and heavy gaming. its already nearing the low end of computers. In another 6 to 12 months it will be a budget entry level system, spec wise. You would be better off sucking it up and putting that money away and not touching it and pretending you spent it and save for really nice system. Learn what you need for what you want to do and then either custom order it( both HP and Dell allow you to customize last i checked) or make sure when you are shopping that you get everything you need

Until then learn the limitations of your PC. Youre trying to make your pc perform like a $3000 machine on $600 hardware. Lowering your video quality and stream quality will likely greatly improve your experience with both. You spend a good $1000-$1500 on a machine with the right specs and you will be able to stream and game for a few years at the higher end of the spectrum before you need to even think about upgrading hardware or downgrading quality settings.

Hallothiel wrote: »

@Anotherone773

Is that really correct about the difference between server lag issues & hardware lag issues?

I ask as most of the lag/freezing/then being kicked out of the game then appears to be hardware based, not server.

But then I am a ps4 pleb (though game has been generally ok until very recently) - lot of pvp guildmates getting dc’d constantly & nearly giving up - if is a console issue & not necessarily the servers that would be good to know.

@Hallothiel its your system. Consoles are not built well for gaming. They are built around a graphics card and while the graphics cards are decent the entire system is designed to support flashy graphics to lure in customers on " Look how great this looks! you dont need to spend $1500 on a gaming PC to play games with nice graphics!" They are snake oil salesmen.

Games on consoles are made for consoles. They are designed around graphics, limited instruction sets, limited (computer) functions, etc. The games operate in a set boundary that allow them to remain stable and enjoyable. This includes limiting the number of players, limited the number of effects, limiting the draw distance, simplifying the game itself so you are basically watching an animated interactive video, etc. The GPU takes care of graphics rendering. But the meat of a games processes tend to be performed by the CPU not the GPU.

If you take the PS4 Pro, it has a decent graphics card. About a GTX1060. After this it falls on its face. The CPU is designed to support the GPU only. Its a mashup of basically a Intel core 2 and i3 but without the performance of either. The CPU has no ram of its own and has to depend on a bit of a role reversal from bargain bin pcs. It shares the graphics memory which is a measly 8 GB, IIRC, with the GPU. The HDD is great... if it was a record player. The 5400 RPM HDD is stupidly slow and clunky and more appropriate for cheap mass data storage such as security camera footage, or your video library.

What this mess leads to is a system that falls on its face when presented with real games. Console players struggle to comprehend what most PC gamers have came to accept as a way of life. You are limited by your system, not the game. If your system cant handle you "doing that" then dont do that or buy a system than can handle you doing that.

I see consoles players write threads daily about how their system performs poorly and blames ZOS. Then they go on to explain how they were doing something that was resource heavy like fighting in cyro or trials, etc. ESO does not have the boundaries that normal consoles games have to allow it to run stable under all conditions. The user determines the boundaries at which their system can handle the game, just like pc players. But console players expect to be able to do EVERYTHING the software will allow them to do even if their hardware wont and that is not how PC games work and definitely not how MMOs work.

The PS5 is looking better than the PS4 but in 3 years its going to be the same thing all over. Support for the PS4 will eventually be phased out, at least if ZOS was smart, and then PS5 will really start to struggle. You see unlike console games, MMOs constantly evolve. I played Eve Online for well over a decade and in that time ive watched as they have phased out support for older tech as the standards move. Older OS, directX, Shaders, etc. all got phased out requiring newer and newer stuff. Meanwhile i can still play PS2 games on a PS2.

Consoles are not any cheaper. They just appear to be cheaper. I had a custom factory pc built in 2009, I7-860, 8gb DDR3, Geforce 9500 GT, 7200 RPM 1TB Raid 0 HDD that i played ESO on just fine until April. The PC cost me $1000 without a monitor in late 2009. Since 2009 it has received a new case fan and a GTX 650 upgrade at a cost of about $100-$110 in total. In that same time playstation has went through 4 upgrades. PS3 Slim came out in 2009. Then you have super slim, PS4, PS4 slim, PS4 pro. My 2009 PC still performs better than PS4 pro. Sure the pro has better graphics, but i can interact with the game world while a Pro player gets to look at a slide show.

My replacement system was about $1200 , but i got a few "accessories" i needed for my business and will be able to handle current games for nearly a decade as well. One thing you never want to go cheap on is electronics. Its a complete waste of money.

People use to buy those $400 walmart computers all the time and after 3 months bring it to me to fix it because they couldnt do anything but update FB and check email and the computer hardware was built to run the current version of windows and a web browser....and that was it. That is pretty much where consoles are. They are designed to be used in a very narrow scope which doesnt include MMOs and as soon as you leave your solo quest in Glenumbra and jump into a fight in cyro, it falls on its face.