This old discussion again. Last time I made a thread about it I got the same answers, people that explain why the system is there, and how ZOS arguments about it, how it makes sense from ZOS's perspective (which it does).

But like last time, I fail to understand why people defend it because it makes sense from ZOS's perspective. How is an annoying system good? Crystals aren't hard to get, they are a minor annoyance to manage. That minor annoyance doesn't change the fact that you can run a dungeon one time, get all the gear you want, transmute it directly and still have piles of geodes left. You just have to log in and out a couple of times. Takes about some minutes extra and filling up some inventory slots.

So, the system is just annoying, without living up to the intended purpose. Great system to defend

starkerealm wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I'll mention it in every one of these threads that spring up, the Transmute cap was put in place prior to Jewelry crafting being a thing. The only way to get non Robust, Healthy, or Arcane traits on overland/dungeon Jewelry is the transmute them. For this alone, the cap should be removed. It is impossible to farm Infused overland jewelry or bloodthirsty dungeon jewelry, so the "you are meant to farm gear with best traits not transmute for best traits" argument is ridiculous.

It's not, really. The point was for you to still value getting a drop in a good trait, rather than just going, "yeah, I got it, don't care."

Besides, you can carry enough to transmute a full set of jewelry in one go.

I wouldn't object to removing the cap, but it is there for an (annoying) reason.

I'm sorry but your rebuttal is just not cutting it here. You had an argument prior to jewelry but after that the whole system became flawed. Not just the cap but the amount you gain. I have been grinding for a long, long time, like many others, to get my divines equipment but i still needed 50 per piece of jewelry no matter what. The drop rate is just sad. I hate the argument that i can just go into PvP and get it. How do you think the PvP community would react if they were told "Hey, just go do some PvE content on all your characters for a few hours each once a month". It wouldn't fly for them, and it doesn't fly for us. The RNG is ridiculous. It needs to pure purely random. up to 25 should mean that every number has an equal chance. Enough of this bull. This game is getting worse and worse with it's grinding content. ITS NOT FUN ANYMORE. I desperately what to find enjoyment but it's just praying on my psyche. We love busy work.

Stop acting as if the rest of us are just all misunderstanding the system. We get it, and it's not enjoyable. You're the odd one out not us. There isn't any player benefit what so ever? There isn't even really a ZoS benefit? More players playing harder content? Ohhh dang, sounds so bad. Work for your gear, yes. No one is arguing that. But you literally can not get anything other than Robust, Arcane, or Healthy jewelry, and therefore the stones are part of a required mechanic. It's Nirn all over again, but worse... Or not, that sucked too.

Crystals are like AP
Once you've used/spent them on what you need, they just pile up with no function, only difference is that AP can be used at the golden to earn some coin, where as crystals have no other function.

So maybe give crystals an alternate function, or make the geodes tradeable, as there are plenty of people in need of crystals, but unable to get them for one reason or another.

Flynnn wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I'll mention it in every one of these threads that spring up, the Transmute cap was put in place prior to Jewelry crafting being a thing. The only way to get non Robust, Healthy, or Arcane traits on overland/dungeon Jewelry is the transmute them. For this alone, the cap should be removed. It is impossible to farm Infused overland jewelry or bloodthirsty dungeon jewelry, so the "you are meant to farm gear with best traits not transmute for best traits" argument is ridiculous.

It's not, really. The point was for you to still value getting a drop in a good trait, rather than just going, "yeah, I got it, don't care."

Besides, you can carry enough to transmute a full set of jewelry in one go.

I wouldn't object to removing the cap, but it is there for an (annoying) reason.

I'm sorry but your rebuttal is just not cutting it here. You had an argument prior to jewelry but after that the whole system became flawed. Not just the cap but the amount you gain. I have been grinding for a long, long time, like many others, to get my divines equipment but i still needed 50 per piece of jewelry no matter what. The drop rate is just sad. I hate the argument that i can just go into PvP and get it. How do you think the PvP community would react if they were told "Hey, just go do some PvE content on all your characters for a few hours each once a month". It wouldn't fly for them, and it doesn't fly for us. The RNG is ridiculous. It needs to pure purely random. up to 25 should mean that every number has an equal chance. Enough of this bull. This game is getting worse and worse with it's grinding content. ITS NOT FUN ANYMORE. I desperately what to find enjoyment but it's just praying on my psyche. We love busy work.

Stop acting as if the rest of us are just all misunderstanding the system. We get it, and it's not enjoyable. You're the odd one out not us. There isn't any player benefit what so ever? There isn't even really a ZoS benefit? More players playing harder content? Ohhh dang, sounds so bad. Work for your gear, yes. No one is arguing that. But you literally can not get anything other than Robust, Arcane, or Healthy jewelry, and therefore the stones are part of a required mechanic. It's Nirn all over again, but worse... Or not, that sucked too.

That's not my rebuttal. I'm telling you the actual reasoning behind these systems from conversations with Rich Lambert. When we interviewed him in the lead up to Elsweyr, we talked about the transmute system. I'm not saying, "oh, hey, I think they were thinking this," I actually know what the design goal was.

The PvP community already has to go into PvE to get up and going. They need to jump over to get their alchemy mats, they need to jump over to get their skill points, their skyshards, to unlock skill lines like undaunted. If you really don't like PvP you can pug normal trials, or do your pledges. Right now I have, frankly, a disgusting number of geodes backed up, and it's more than a little annoying for me.

However, I'm not saying, "oh, I can look at this, and guess what was going on," no, I've been told, point blank, the reasoning behind it.

As much as I might want to be able to free up the space taken up by the 50 crystal geodes I'm not going to be wasting crystals on something just to use them up.