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Worst Black Fredas EVER???
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okiav✭✭✭chuck-18_ESO wrote: »I personally have hyped up friends and family members for this sale, assuming it would in some way comparable to last year. Not only am I massively disappointed, but I feel dreadful for the people I instilled excitement in.
I mean, to reference the best Star Wars forum quote of all time...
"In here, speculation quickly becomes assumption, and then assumption becomes fact, and reveals itself as disappointment when what everyone forgets began as speculation turns out to be false." - Dehrian
You can't blame ZOS for that disappointment.
Well it's also difficult to blame someone who has communicated politely that they are indeed investigating problems *some* people are having logging in to PC-EU.
Might have to do with my incalid internet connection or the fact that I'm already logged in...0 -
okiav✭✭✭chuck-18_ESO wrote: »I personally have hyped up friends and family members for this sale, assuming it would in some way comparable to last year. Not only am I massively disappointed, but I feel dreadful for the people I instilled excitement in.
I mean, to reference the best Star Wars forum quote of all time...
"In here, speculation quickly becomes assumption, and then assumption becomes fact, and reveals itself as disappointment when what everyone forgets began as speculation turns out to be false." - Dehrian
You can't blame ZOS for that disappointment.
Well it's also difficult to blame someone who has communicated politely that they are indeed investigating problems *some* people are having logging in to PC-EU.
Might have to do with my invalid internet connection or the fact that I'm already logged in...
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karthrag_inak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You can't blame ZOS for that disappointment.
This one disagrees. Expectations were most understandably high due to ZOS's past black friday sales, coupled with an equally understandable sense of entitlement on the part of the player base due to the massive disappointment of the unfulfilled promises of last year regarding performance during events.
In other words, ZOS got egg on face, disappointed the player base severely with 2 cancelled events and repeatedly re-releasing the same buggy content after claiming it was fixed (which is still going on) - not to mention the fiasco that has been the EU server over the past few months (sorry this one forgot to mention this), and then completely dropped the ball with the worst black friday sale in the history of the game (at least that this one has witnessed).
The purpose of sales is to increase revenue at the expense of inventory. The inventory ZOS sells is infinite and with minimal overhead, so a sale that would have topped all previous sales would have cost ZOS little while gaining them much, both in terms of revenue, and in renewed goodwill from the players.
Instead, ZOS has earned the incredulous disregard of players who were looking forward to spending their money and instead are both disappointed and disgusted. Can't help but feel like this is something of an insult, to be honest.
Any other business who had dropped the ball as ZOS had would be offering whatever they could to rebuild goodwill with their customers. To not do so implies that the business does not care about its customers.
Edited by karthrag_inak on November 27, 2019 10:17PMPC-NA : 19 Khajiit and 1 Fishy-cat with fluffy delusions. cp3600
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"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?' -famous khajiit philosopher28 -
RefLiberty✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS is the only company that can take something like a sale and turn it into something that annoys it's customers
Imho they simple didn't want to give any top tier items cheaper, just simple greedy move.
They could make a s***load of money if they did discounts on houses or something like that, but they just said nope, ain't gonna happen, full price suckers.8 -
kaisernick✭✭✭✭✭RefLiberty wrote: »ZOS is the only company that can take something like a sale and turn it into something that annoys it's customers
Imho they simple didn't want to give any top tier items cheaper, just simple greedy move.
They could make a s***load of money if they did discounts on houses or something like that, but they just said nope, ain't gonna happen, full price suckers.
They could have at least brought back some homes even at full price but to have this measly crap its worse than nothing.6 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Canned_Apples wrote: »Is that it?
Last year all DLC and Crown Crates were 30% off, but now it's only the two DLC I want to avoid?
So much for, "there’s something for everyone this Black Fredas."
“there’s something for everyone” is way different than “there’s nothing I’m interested in”.
There not being something for one person makes it that there isn't something for everyone...
What are you... Ah nvm....2 -
EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭Zeni better be careful they don't end up the "victim" of the next hate train that has killed many a greedy games in the past. All it takes is for some big name YouTuber to catch wind of how terrible their digital store is to turn this game into a meme.Edited by EnemyOfDaState on November 27, 2019 10:36PM10 -
RefLiberty✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not to mentioned that BT merchandise store in general is also not affected by BF although they are US company, so it was kinda expected that they could put something on discount to honor that consumerist madness lol.
Btw, Oak-Ember Forge Wolf is super cute. I'm kinda sorry for that digital pixel wolf mount to be part of any negative customer feedback, hope it would not hurt his feelings
Just look at that cute little Wolf-Doge.
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Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭PopotoSalad wrote: »My first Black Fredas, and it's a total clunker. I got excited when I saw that notable houses were 50% off during last year's sale. I'd finally be able to afford the home I wanted. Or not. :'(
They weren't. Last year only SELECT estates were 30% off; that is better than this year though by several miles. Possibly nautical ones.karthrag_inak wrote: »This one disagrees. Expectations were most understandably high due to ZOS's past black friday sales.
Past Black Friday sale. If you go back to 2016 and 2017 you'll find that those sales very much mirrored this one more closely. In fact 2018 was by far the crazier of all four but it was clearly very welcome to the community.
I prefer 2018 over any of the other years though, this sale is relatively lackluster and I can safely say that provided nothing currently standing changes I won't be purchasing anything this year.3 -
tim99✭✭✭✭✭RefLiberty wrote: »Not to mentioned that BT merchandise store in general is also not affected by BF although they are US company, so it was kinda expected that they could put something on discount to honor that consumerist madness lol.
Btw, Oak-Ember Forge Wolf is super cute. I'm kinda sorry for that digital pixel wolf mount to be part of any negative customer feedback, hope it would not hurt his feelings
Just look at that cute little Wolf-Doge.
Well, you have his twin already in the regular crown shop. While the friday-offer is 1900 crowns, the all-time-available-one is 1800 crowns. Sounds nice.
Oh well, some free-login-reward-items comes with it.1 -
Nebthet78✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybe they will have a better sale after Christmas.
Far too many characters to list any more.0 -
chuck-18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭chuck-18_ESO wrote: »I personally have hyped up friends and family members for this sale, assuming it would in some way comparable to last year. Not only am I massively disappointed, but I feel dreadful for the people I instilled excitement in.
I mean, to reference the best Star Wars forum quote of all time...
"In here, speculation quickly becomes assumption, and then assumption becomes fact, and reveals itself as disappointment when what everyone forgets began as speculation turns out to be false." - Dehrian
You can't blame ZOS for that disappointment.
I don't recall blaming ZOS once, but cool quote.The Exclusionary Mandates of Maruhkite Selection: All Are Equal
1: That the Supreme Spirit Akatosh is of unitary essence, as proven by the monolinearity of Time.
1: That Shezarr the missing sibling is Singularly Misplaced and therefore Doubly Venerated.
1: That the protean substrate that informs all denial of (1) is the Aldmeri Taint.
1: That the Prophet Most Simian demonstrated that monothought begets Proper-Life.
1: That the purpose of Proper-Life is the Expungement of the Taint.
1: That the Arc of Time provides the mortal theater for the Sacred Expungement.
1: That Akatosh is Time is Proper-Life is Taint-Death.1 -
karthrag_inak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kittytravel wrote: »
Past Black Friday sale. If you go back to 2016 and 2017 you'll find that those sales very much mirrored this one more closely. In fact 2018 was by far the crazier of all four but it was clearly very welcome to the community.
I prefer 2018 over any of the other years though, this sale is relatively lackluster and I can safely say that provided nothing currently standing changes I won't be purchasing anything this year.
2016 and 2015 had crown pack discounts - substantial ones. 2017 didn't but it did have a free mount.
2017 : https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26251
2016 https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25865
2015 : https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25541Edited by karthrag_inak on November 28, 2019 2:09AMPC-NA : 19 Khajiit and 1 Fishy-cat with fluffy delusions. cp3600
GM of Imperial Gold Reserve trading guild (started in 2017) since 2/2022
Come visit Karth's Glitter Box, Khajiit's home. Fully stocked guild hall done in sleek Khajiit stylings, with Grand Master Stations, Transmute, Scribing, Trial Dummies, etc. Also has 2 full bowling alleys, nightclub, and floating maze over Wrothgar.(Pariah's Pinacle)
"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?' -famous khajiit philosopher6 -
IndianaJames7✭✭✭✭✭Unpopular opinion:
Maybe ZOS didn’t have a big Black Friday sale because in the midst of the debacle the past few months have been they felt this might be seen as a further flippant promotion of crown store, which people are always complaining about when they promote while other issues are occurring.
Might be one of those damned if you do damned if you don’t situations. Food for thought.9 -
ProfessorKittyhawk✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was hoping for a return of a bunch of old costumes like last year but the black fredas bundle will be nice for my alt account.1 -
runa_gate✭✭✭✭At least now I have this song stuck in my head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qSMQgvZy7U
20% off Assistants is pretty funny. Still flabberghasted that it's full price for the kitty for those who already own the intolerable dunmer.
I did see a player the other day who perfectly imitated Rollis standing around in the countryside - confusing and hilarious.2 -
EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭IndianaJames7 wrote: »Unpopular opinion:
Maybe ZOS didn’t have a big Black Friday sale because in the midst of the debacle the past few months have been they felt this might be seen as a further flippant promotion of crown store, which people are always complaining about when they promote while other issues are occurring.
Might be one of those damned if you do damned if you don’t situations. Food for thought.
Yeah because having a crappy sale instead is a much better alternative. Any company that packages a mount with a bunch of trash you throw in your bank and calls it an "8,100 crown value" does not care about backlash.23 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Honestly, I am disgusted. What a brilliant time with unprecedented disappointment in the game to reduce the amount of things that make people happy. Smart move. Who came up with this? Same person who decided to nerf daily login rewards?
and the worst part is the person who made this decision will likely get a pat on the back for "increasing revenue" and never know just how much we hate this.Edited by StabbityDoom on November 28, 2019 3:06AM16 -
Contaminate✭✭✭✭✭
✭The thing is, if you bought crowns already, your sentiment is lost. ZOS already has your money, and once they have that they don’t give a sht about what you think about the game. Anyone who quits with crowns gathered is a positive in their books3 -
wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The really good "Black Friday" specials were before we had all the monetized content we have today.
I naively accepted the "crown store" at inception.
I spent 200$ USD for our guild hall.
But if you look at the last, say, 3 years at BF sales, they keep getting smaller and less. Kinda like other aspects.
I still love ESO, and am SO glad it hasn't fallen into the Fallout76 trench!!
But still worried as I see so much of this in ZoS in the last few years....
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Maybe they will have a better sale after Christmas.
I wouldn’t count on it. Seriously. That way you won’t be disappointed but only perhaps pleasantly surprised. Alas, I had gotten my hopes up for this one based on last year’s sale and maybe hints by others that this home or that might be available
I hadn’t bought Crowns in advance and from what I’ve read in many other posts I’m not the only one. I was anticipating purchasing Crowns at full price to buy any of several furnishing packs and costumes that I’ve been wanting, and Tel Galen, if it made a comeback. But there is nothing in this sale that I want and so no reason for me to buy more Crowns.
I totally understand limited time sales. What I don’t get is how infrequently any are brought back. Edited by Araneae6537 on November 28, 2019 4:41PM7 -
Mariusghost84✭✭✭✭✭Horrible sale. I spent a ridiculos amount on the sale last year ( around 1000$ ) its almost a relief the sale is this bad this year. Wont be spending any cash.4 -
r34lian✭✭✭✭✭
✭No eso+ trial as well wtf2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton3 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ZOS’s Black Friday policy is fully vindicated by the numbers of long term players who have specifically not spent money due to “waiting for great Black Friday” deals. That’s not a situation ZOS wants. They want you to spend money throughout the year, knowing you’re not going to feel kneecapped because your recent 10k purchase is suddenly sold for a pittance.
Given they have no inventory cost (they don’t have to spend anything storing unbought stock), there’s no pressure on them to sell or to reduce the arbitrary costs they have assigned to various digital products (eg houses at 14,000 crowns).
They’re having a ‘Bleak Fredas ‘ sale because players expect it, not because they are lovely and they like you, and they’re not looking to challenge any of their normal practices, cannibalise any future sales or *** off players who’ve paid “full price”. As someone else said, if you’ve bought crowns, they already have your money, they aren’t going to do another dance for it. Certainly not when they’re dishing out the sarcasm of “8,100 crowns value”.
That said, the banker and merchant are both the most insanely expensive and stupidly useful things in the game. 20% off them is still 20% off.7 -
Shawn_PT✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was briefly excited when I saw it was Black Friday. I missed last year's horse because I was 7 crowns short or something the like. Thought I'd spend some crowns for it but then, no black striped horse.
Also though about buying some discount crates but after whaling on this season and getting literally NO mount of any kind, not going to bother.
Then saw the assistants were on sale. But 4k for something I essentially already have is a nope.3
