StaticWave wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

Disclaimer : This is my opinion. This is not a representation of the beliefs of ZOS or affiliates. This is only my belief..........
Tell me I'm wrong!

If i recall correctly, didn't ZOS's dev team nerf shields because they "removed the need for healers in PvE"? I mean if you read through all the patches you can at least find 1 or 2 PvE balance changes that affected PvP. It goes both ways imo, so i don't think you should blame PvP.

For several years players were complaining about the sorcerer shield strength in pvp. 25k-30k shields were easily obtainabl in pve with 1 shield. With battle spirit a 30k shield would be halfed to 15k while stacking with the light armor shield this would net a total of 25k-30k of shielding defense in pvp. Sorcerers had too much Damage with high mobility and too much defense, nerfing shields would force magic sorcerers into groups relying on healers.

When i run veteran dungeons i run 3 dps 1 tank, this is a very common practice. Making healers more useable or preffered seems to negate Zo$ original intentions.

I can understand why the combat team (if you can call two guys a ‘team’) is particularly vexed by PvP. Because that’s where any power gap between skills is more easily seen. PvP is effectively a “my 5 skills are better than yours” testbed. And it’s really obvious when there is even a slight bit of imbalance as every PvP player piles into the latest überbuild. Their job of balancing is to try to ensure that there isn’t a single 5 bar set that overwhelms all the others. So the better player wins more often, rather than simply the one with the better build.

Their efforts at balance may be a little cack-handed, but they are way more sophisticated than the endless whiney nerf threads produced by disgruntled PvP players. All of whom are ‘demanding’ something be reduced because it’s so ‘overpowering’. They really are the micromanaging nerfhammers looking for nails, while the combat team are trying to concentrate on the overall picture.

PvE players on the other hand seem to be whining about no longer being powerful enough. They aren’t fantastically interested in balance. They just want their characters to be powerful enough to burn through all enemies and so avoid as many mechanics as possible. High end PvE players seem more bothered that one class (mag necros) is slightly less powerful now, than that there is any kind of balance between classes.

The thing that I have noticed is that my damage is down, my sustain is something I have to consider and that boss fights actually take more than one rotation. Pretty much all the content I was doing 6 months age is still just as doable, I haven’t found any content I was doing that I can’t now. So while I agree that PvP is where the balance changes are coming from, I don’t agree that they have made PvE suck.

Kesstryl wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Curious_Death wrote: »

Shantu wrote: »

PVP...PVE...who cares anymore? Just another crop of combat devs that don't have a clue. What else is new?

Yes, there's something new!

*joined vet SELENE to low 200-300 cp DD's and 400cp healer... i tanked boss for soo long (about 15 min) the boss reset itself and teleported us back high to the web - selene became spider again... THEY LOWER DMG that hard... that new players cannot pass basic VET having 200 cp! lol they simply cannot kill vet boss in time (not even HM).
Casuals quit - not having fun - beeing useless in group! but... if they dont play with players... only on test servers... i am not suprised.

Good, too much has been handed to them on a plate - They don't need any more and if they're quitting because they're not able to compete only pressing 3 buttons then good riddance.

They can't learn how to do it right if the content is too hard. Those dungeons are designed for low CP, and players at that level should be able to do it with average skill. I'm tired of elitists like you thinking everyone has to be on par with your 24/7 daily practice and play. Many of us work and don't have that kind of time to put in. I've also tanked low CP dungeons with low CP playerrs who could not complete the dungeons. They really tried hard. I gave advice and saw them work hard to do the right things, and we just had to quit. This is not okay.

that's my point bro... no casuals = less players... = less money to dev... lesss frags in cyro = less fun for EVERY SIDE

Bashev wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

In PvE it doesnt matter if the pets are targetable or not because they dont take agro.

Pets were specifically made untargetable because of PvP. People were complaining that werewolves were using them as shields, and that premade groups of werewolves were overwhelming opponents with pets. And yes, Minor Maim (which is easy to obtain from other sources, especially in mixed groups) will work on bosses, but the snare component will not. And both are easily purgeable by players.

But how this affect your PvE experience? The topic is that PvP nerfs ruined PvE.

Because I can no longer command my pets to attack certain targets, and they can no longer off tank adds. All npcs are coming 100% at me, and the pets are nothing but a weak DOT.