Balancing PVP has made PVE SUCK!

Somber97866

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Alomar

and.....what? ESO PvP has sucked for 3-4 years now. The pvp community is on life support, stop supporting the company if you really think balancing for several thousand people is causing your unhappiness.

Bashev

Somber97866 wrote: »

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Can you tell us which PvP nerfs annoyed you most? Cause the latest major combat changes were not PvP related. The nerf of the dots, the main reason was that PvE players didnt like the new rotations.

dem0n1k

Cost increases on ground based AOEs .... I don't think these nerfs were due to PVP...

usmguy1234

Somber97866 wrote: »

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I think it's sad that you blame pvp players instead of zos' ineptness.

Taleof2Cities

What an original and unique idea for a new discussion ... certainly there must not be any prior discussion on this topic (or old threads to continue). It's cutting edge.



*** End sarcasm

Vlad9425

Don't blame PVP for the nerfs blame the Dev team. They are the ones making questionable nerfs and decisions.

Hotel6

I completed vMoS on hm today,so I guess PVE is fine.

VaranisArano

It seems you've on moved on from blaming PC add-ons for PVE balance problems.

Don't worry, PVP makes a much easier target for your blame game.

After all, you don't have to worry about Molag Kena, Domihaus, and the coalition of trial bosses showing up on the forums to point out where PVE sets, skills, and builds are overpowered and overused.

Strider__Roshin

Making the difficulty too easy is what makes PvE suck.

gatekeeper13

I believe ZOS should give skills different stats for pve and pvp. Don't know if this is possible but if it is, it could be a solution so that everyone is happy.

VaranisArano

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

I believe ZOS should give skills different stats for pve and pvp. Don't know if this is possible but if it is, it could be a solution so that everyone is happy.

It's possible. We already have it. Its called Battle Spirit and its automatically applied in PVP zones.

ZOS is very reluctant to use it for minor balancing purposes and appears to prefer balancing PVE and PVP together.

We also have a few skills that have lessened effects on players, but again, ZOS seems to use those sparingly - nowhere near to extent that some players want.

LordLomax

Bashev wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

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Can you tell us which PvP nerfs annoyed you most? Cause the latest major combat changes were not PvP related. The nerf of the dots, the main reason was that PvE players didnt like the new rotations.

I really like the dot rotation, the new ones suck dps is down 8k ....

Ragnarock41

Somber97866 wrote: »

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Okay. You're wrong.

Juhasow

Somber97866 wrote: »

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You're wrong.

GrimTheReaper45

Combat is terrible all around, not just in pve.

I dont like pvp combat as a whole anymore either.

Anotherone773

When ZOS rebalances it actually doesnt matter if it for pvp or pve they still manage to break both at the same time. ZOS is one of the few companies i have seen that improve stuff that works fine and makes it far worse.

mocap

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's sad that you blame pvp players instead of zos' ineptness.

where is he blame pvp players? Quote pls.

Reverb

Pve is just as much responsible for the “balance” changes as pvp is. In fact, over the years more skills and traits have been nerfed due to pve overperformance than pvp.

MartiniDaniels

If you're not aiming at Godslayer, nothing changed, group dps is the same as it was in U22.

Vanos444

Somber97866 wrote: »

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You are wrong!
ESO is a PvP game and the development of class balance as always been for PvP.
If you don't like it...then play another game or [snip]!!!
Srsly, when will you guys understand this....?
Want a hardcore and top PvE game, then play FFXIV ( where its 100% worth)

[Edit for minor profanity]

Aznarb

Vanos444 wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

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You are wrong!
ESO is a PvP game and the development of class balance as always been for PvP.
If you don't like it...then play another game or gtfo!!!
Srsly, when will you guys understand this....?
Want a hardcore and top PvE game, then play FFXIV ( where its 100% worth)

Eso a PvP game ? I bet you never play a real pvp game then.

Jem_Kindheart

Idk, on one hand, the waves of changes and nerfs keeps setting my progression teams back to square one each time... But on the other hand I'm still pushing the same HMs and content with guildies.

Yes, it sucks more than ever before, especially from the perspective of a pve healer main (almost exclusively), but I don't think pvp is necessarily to blame.

It's fairly clear that one of the goals was to bring global dps down a good bit. Devs did not listen to PTS testers over this past year, nor to community ambassadors, nor to players, who said that:
+ nerfing foods, increasing skill costs through the roof, and forcing users to rely on FG or VO to almost have sustain is not the correct way to bring game-wide dps down+ (because doing this greatly hurts already difficult support roles)

So now we have very clunky rotations, trash mobs taking forever, and more dps dying a lot because healing is much harder and dps have often sacrificed health and self sufficiency to attempt to regain missing dps and sustain. Overall yeah it is quite unpleasant but the game goes on we're still pushing content

We did lose a loooot of our skilled elders though, for lots of reasons, not sky falling reasons but.. Yeah. It can make group content much harder when the overall skill level is now noticeably lower. Still having fun though

ATomiX69

... and vice versa.

Tsar_Gekkou

I still think it's funny how they gutted healing springs because it was "causing server lag," but the game (especially Cyrodiil) is still as laggy as it's ever been. The only complaints i've ever heard about springs came from pvpers who were angry that they couldn't melt a healer who was holding block and spamming springs on themselves.

Grimm13

Bashev wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

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Can you tell us which PvP nerfs annoyed you most? Cause the latest major combat changes were not PvP related. The nerf of the dots, the main reason was that PvE players didnt like the new rotations.

We had on ESO live the two Dev's going over the update 24 changes. One of which was the head of the Team doing the changes. They kept talking about how the change affected PvP. Finally Gina asked how is it affecting PvE and the head of the team stated that he was told by the PvE group it's still viable. Not that he had tested it out, or played it in PvE but was told.

That statement and the fact they they kept saying how the changes effected PvP makes it clear that they did the balances to PvP with an after thought to PvE. You the head of the changes you best be playing and testing in both PvP and PvE if you want to balance it together instead of utilizing Battle Spirit more.

Couple the balancing approach, not listening to PTS testers, frequency of the changes and flipping directions of changes seemingly each time. The crashing of servers, failure of major components of the game, having to cancel effects meant to promote the game but severed to highlight it's long ignored flaws. Failure to communicate, pushing out more and more crown store items. All that is why the GAME is on life support.

ZOS needs to start doing right. They don't need to salvage their rep for TESO, they need to save it for the next game they want to launch.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

As a strictly PvE player I will state the corollary is balancing PvE makes PvP suck. The problem will never be resolved until ZOS balances each environment separately. While it would take some work since the game segregates each style of play into their own areas it should be straight forward to have unique damage tables for each too.

agingerinohio

I believe if you are a Dev and trying to balance combat in this game, you should be playing end game pve as well as PvP. That way you know how changes are going to affect either.
Currently the balancing is the sloppiest I have seen it in the entirety of this game. So many of my guild mates in my top pve end game guild have left the game entirely after this last patch due to all of their character's dps being nerfed so badly. I'm talking like a 15-25k dps drop which now removes them from core team trial runs if 40k min dps is required on the 3 mil.
I don't believe for a second that the PvP experience on here is what is selling this game. It's the Pve content. The strive for the achievements, skins, ect.....
If PVE continues to get nerfed for the sake of the ever dying PvP portion of this game, then ESO is doomed. There will be nothing but roleplayers, Skyrim fanboys and casuals left (which from my experience talking to quite a few players who are in that category) generally dont spend money on this game.
Seperate the balancing= Problem...probably?..solved.

Frozen_Heart246

Balancing PVE has made PVP SUCK!

JanTanhide

Yep.

agingerinohio

Frozen_Heart246 wrote: »

Balancing PVE has made PVP SUCK!

Hence the need for the separation of balancing. I'm not new to PvP and I'm by no means a good pvp'er compared to most. But I do have to say after visiting Cyrodiil on Xbox NA yesterday, PvP is equally as unbalanced as Pve right now. The main problem now being that you can barely kill anyone because dots were nerfed into the ground as well as major sources for defile which is now making it nearly impossible to kill the tank/heal-troll builds.