Nope, but the Bank issues stand out as unique i think. And quite painful. So most of what is happening are normal hiccups in MMO launches, the bank stuff is a bit more irritating since it leads to lost progression, and quite a bit depending on the individual

In my[ experience, having a broken launcher consistently over several patches makes this the most horrible launch ever. This is the most basic technology you need to function properly. It's the gateway to the game. It being broken doesn't speak well of the rest of the game. Especially to new players.

I can't remember the name of the game, because I never played it personally, but one of its patches actually deleted vital files on the players' computers and rendered them incapable of booting up.

That's a bit worse than having to re-download a game.

And I say that as someone who has been downloading ESO for ~8 hours now, and I'm at 9%. Rural satellite internet FTW.

Vanguard was an abomination at launch, followed by AoC and WoW. SWTOR and LOTRO were some of the best. This one fits snug in the middle. Although...the LOTRO loud random bear noise always scared the crap out of me because it always happened when I least expected it.

I havent had any issues at all. Smoothest launch ever and Ive been around for quite a few.

For me its the worst ever. Eve didnt delete anything, i was playing it at the very release. It ran fine from the beginning for me and all of my friends. Some people got stuck here and there (mostly when traveling) and we always got helped out within minutes. So I dont know what youre speaking bad of that game. It was perfectly fine to all i know and all ive read in chat.

Ultima online release was hilarious. People duped everything and had castles first day and lets not forget the brit bank bug where someone could instakill everyone and loot them for all there gear lol

AoC was the worst for me. Character were invisible lol, not even the user could see his own chr. The raid bossess were frozen and unkillable.

WoW, you couldnt even play the druid class for the first month, it was completely unplayable class. The game crashed like crazy and the bandwidth was so bad that everyone was playing in molasses.

Everquest, i dont remember any major problems with. I only played the first couple months but, it seemed to have been a smooth launch for an mmo anyway.

Eso has had a bad launch and unique problems to the mmo genre. The bugs and server problems are going to happen but, the thing that i find missing is the communication and little things like a game guide. It seems like they put a lot of effort in just putting the game out early in a rush and now we have german speaking spriggans and bots camping quest bossess in every dungeon.

Essentially what will happen is ZEN will fix all the major bugs that have high impacts (like main storyline blocks) and people will get over the OMG WHERE'S MY REFUND stage. In a couple months, everyone will have forgotten the launch and find something new to complain about. Nothing new here, every new MMO goes through it in some form or fashion.

You are asking us - All the people that have been at nearly every major MMORPG launch for ten years - if this is the worst one?

No. The answer is unequivocally no.

Age of Conan - Only the first zones finished, major texture and graphics problems? Skills borked.

Vanguard - Saga of Heroes - Transitions between zones locked you up, you ran off cliffs and flying mounts dropped you?

Warhammer Online - Only one zone of the three races per alliance was actually ready to go for each faction? They promised to finish the others over time.

World of Warcraft - The Queues - My god the Queues? Warriors and Warlocks were not overhauled until the following July (8 months) after release? All the racial traits were adjusted right out the door? Every larger patch had major class mechanic adjustments for over a year?

SWtOR - They didn't have a LFG system, and guild banks, combat logs, or the ability to customize the interface?

I'm probably not alone here... I mean hell, nearly every single MMORPG in the past ten years has had some major issues they fixed over time. Nearly every single one had people experiencing patch bugs, and a need to reinstall the client.

ESO has its own problems... some client issues appear to be similar. But honestly the content and the systems are very well done compared to all the rest.

I could complain up and down about a few things that affect a few people. I could rant about some boss monster or quest that is bugged... What about some aspects of the UI or banks that are frustrating?

But honestly I have three or four other things I can do in game until that is finished. I can still USE many of these systems, buggy and clumsy as they might be.

It is really quite a good start... compared to many releases in the past 10 years.

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

Can all the people who say all MMOs launch's are bad agree they have never had to patch a full game client after an update?

I can't remember, didn't Age of Conan do exactly that? Or was it just that the day one patch was ~10gb, and the game's entire footprint was 20gb?

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

Can all the people who say all MMOs launch's are bad agree they have never had to patch a full game client after an update?

I agree. I never had to redownload this games client.

I did had to redownload games oncassionally when reinstalling. But that is simply the nature of reinstalling.
Chances are that if the game had such heavy problems it was on your end - your computer. Or possibly the addons you installed (note that you install those on own risk)

liquid_wolf wrote: »

You are asking us - All the people that have been at nearly every major MMORPG launch for ten years - if this is the worst one?

No. The answer is unequivocally no.

Age of Conan - Only the first zones finished, major texture and graphics problems? Skills borked.

Vanguard - Saga of Heroes - Transitions between zones locked you up, you ran off cliffs and flying mounts dropped you?

Warhammer Online - Only one zone of the three races per alliance was actually ready to go for each faction? They promised to finish the others over time.

World of Warcraft - The Queues - My god the Queues? Warriors and Warlocks were not patched until the following September/October (8 months) after release?

SWtOR - They didn't have a LFG system, and guild banks, combat logs, or the ability to customize the interface?

I'm probably not alone here... I mean hell, nearly every single MMORPG in the past ten years has had some major issues they fixed over time. Nearly every single one had people experiencing patch bugs, and a need to reinstall the client.

ESO has its own problems... some client issues appear to be similar. But honestly the content and the systems are very well done compared to all the rest.

I could complain up and down about a few things that affect a few people. I could rant about some boss monster or quest that is bugged... What about some aspects of the UI or banks that are frustrating?

But honestly I have three or four other things I can do in game until that is finished. I can still USE many of these systems, buggy and clumsy as they might be.

It is really quite a good start... compared to many releases in the past 10 years.

ROFL

I haven't done all these games that you have listed from launch. But I can tell you some what you are saying is BS. I played a warlock in WoW and never had an issue. SWTOR didn't do the LFG system because they want to make more of a social game vs just hopping in queue doing a dungeon and never saying a word to anyone. You want to talk about SWTOR poor choice in design what about ESO there is no AH? Why because they want to push people into guilds. So they don't offer AH but a guild store. Which is poorly design because you can't search for anything.

What determines worse launch or best launch is how the bugs effect you.

The user and all related content has been deleted.

I'm not denying that EVER mmo release has had issue. What I am saying is that you have rose colored glasses on for ESO. ESO issue aren't bad as other games. ESO issue are just little bumps in the road vs other games bumps are mountains.

Summoning playing mule. It was fun having to trade all my stuff to raid leader to farm shards for summoning people. What about banishing for MC? Warlock were under played because people didn't understand how to play the class.

Key feature? Like an AH or some in game way to sell items that most MMO have? With even a basic crappy search like SWTOR had at release? ESO doesn't have that. I have to join guilds to sell items.

For me, it was "The Secret World". Bunch of things were actually game breaking buggy, and in the second area so many actual quests were uncompilable which completely stopped leveling progression that the GM's had to start giving quest completes to allow the players to continue playing.

Imagine having to stay online for hours just to make sure the GM actually got to you while you go around randomly mob killing which does not give you enough points to skill up you skills/weapons in order to proceed to the next area which was a very hard overcrowded with mobs area. And then the whole supposedly you jump back in que thing if you log off, I swear that if you didn't get helped in the first 3-4 hours it was better to delete your ticket and create a new one since once I had a ticket for 3 days later on before a GM completed the quests listed on it.

This lasted for at least 2 1/2 months from early access before burned out and unsubdued. Months of constantly encountering nearly game breaking gameplay glitches or uncompromisable quests. I did so love the game itself but too much frustration in the unfixed glitches.

That by far was my worst experience