Make "something like" the craft bag part of base game

idk · November 2019

Anotherone773 wrote: »

I always enjoy the "it should be free" threads. It should be free and instead you should be charged:
* 8 crowns to instant ( formerly known as gold) port
* 6 crowns to port to another player
* 4 crowns to port to a wayshrine
* 2 crowns to use alt modes of transport such as boats striders and caravans, except Stuga's because she has been looking for you for so long.

Or you can get free transport( except "gold ports" which cost 100 gold max with no price increase for use or CD) with an ESO sub. On the bright side you can now gather resources to put in your craft bag on the way from wayrest to craglorn.

If only we knew how expensive it was to run an MMO. I will give you a hint. 6 years ago, WoW cost $130k a day just to keep the servers online( electric and bandwidth.) Someone has to pay for all this stuff and the craft bag is a huge plus for ESO plus.

Your forgot all mount training would cost crowns.

Zos knew they made a very good business decision when they added the crafting bag to the ESO+ perks. Pretty sure they have no interest in changing that and pretty sure OP did not provide them with any reason to reconsider.

Starlock · November 2019

Of course it should happen. But it never will because the higher ups have a case of the greed big time. Why actually improve the game when you can leave problems in place (e.g. inventory management) then charge players for the solution? Plenty of fools will pay you to solve the problems your team deliberately perpetuates with the game design.

ruengdet2515 · November 2019

Each items (mat, potion, poison, scroll,) could stack 500-1000 rather than 200.

Adernath · November 2019

I still have some ESO+ left. Even with ESO+ the insane inventory management required due to the fact that sets/skills are changed every patch is something which droves me off to play the game.

If I play a game I don't want to feel like doing a job by sorting or searching through my inventory for 30min. Besides of the lack of inventory slots the UI is generally horrible and I can not imagine that people can play the game without garbage collector, wardrobe and set tracker addons.

Now trying to squeeze more money out of this inventory problem (here by introducing very expensive slots on top of ESO+) is something other games have also tried with their customers.

What about the many suggestions for ESO+ the community came up with some time ago? What was the point in doing that request?

idk · November 2019

Adernath wrote: »

What about the many suggestions for ESO+ the community came up with some time ago? What was the point in doing that request?

The point of that thread is probably to get ideas. That does not mean most of the ideas presented they would want to do.

I think it comes down to adding the crafting bag and doubling bank space were no brainer ideas for adding value to ESO+. Coming up with the next great idea, or even good, to add value to the subscription may be more challenging for Zos to think of.

Adernath · November 2019

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

nope get a job

I have a job and because of this I understand the value of money ;-)

idk wrote: »

Adernath wrote: »

What about the many suggestions for ESO+ the community came up with some time ago? What was the point in doing that request?

The point of that thread is probably to get ideas. That does not mean most of the ideas presented they would want to do.

I think it comes down to adding the crafting bag and doubling bank space were no brainer ideas for adding value to ESO+. Coming up with the next great idea, or even good, to add value to the subscription may be more challenging for Zos to think of.

Yea... I am just wondering if they have any plans at all, because some of them seemed to be very good alternatives for the bag. In my opinion -- in the end -- inventory management should never be an issue for people with ESO+ and hardly be one for people without it. But you know... ZOS and their 'communication' with the community

Marolf · November 2019

I recently unsubscribed to ESO+ and the ONLY thing that made me hesitant to do so was losing the craft bag. After doing so, I promptly sold everything in my craft bag to a guildmate. This was extremely hard as I have been hoarding for years. Throughout the process of emptying my craft bag I had instances of second thoughts, and even endured a level of anxiety. After recognizing the anxiety I realised I had a hording addiction and the craft bag was my enabler. Honestly would anyone have a valid usage for 80k rubedite ingots? Now that my craft bag and I have parted ways I feel somewhat relieved and look forward to casual farming, instead of the "gotta collect them all" mentality I had previously endured. Don't let the craft bag consume you my commrades:)

ATomiX69 · November 2019

Who is gonna sub if they hand out the crafting bag for free? Id say a solid 80 out of 100 subs are only subbed because of the crafting bag.
IF (which realistically wont happen) they decide to give non subs a crafting bag, it would have to be so heavily limited (for example only 2 stacks of each unique material), so that ppl who dont wanna bother micromanaging their inventory would still sub.

P.S.: Stack up on materials and transmute crystals on the free ESO+ events, it helps. Also get all 60 and 30 slot crates which are an extra 300 storage for gearsets and stuff, its really not that hard to set up.
Or during the nowadays monthly F2P events make 9 extra accounts, get them to lvl 10, invite them to a guild and enjoy your free guild bank with 500 slots for materials and not soulbound stuff.
Or if that is too hard to setup and/or too tedious for you, how about you just sub.

idk · November 2019

Adernath wrote: »

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

nope get a job

I have a job and because of this I understand the value of money ;-)

idk wrote: »

Adernath wrote: »

What about the many suggestions for ESO+ the community came up with some time ago? What was the point in doing that request?

The point of that thread is probably to get ideas. That does not mean most of the ideas presented they would want to do.

I think it comes down to adding the crafting bag and doubling bank space were no brainer ideas for adding value to ESO+. Coming up with the next great idea, or even good, to add value to the subscription may be more challenging for Zos to think of.

Yea... I am just wondering if they have any plans at all, because some of them seemed to be very good alternatives for the bag. In my opinion -- in the end -- inventory management should never be an issue for people with ESO+ and hardly be one for people without it. But you know... ZOS and their 'communication' with the community

I doubt they are looking for an alternative to the crafting bag as it is the best perk of them all.

Inventory management is always an issue. It really depends on what the game has for filling that inventory that will make a difference.

Friends of mine that still play SWTOR said they just got what is essentially a crafting bag. They thought this would empty out their inventory but it is not filled with various gear. Apparently Bioware decided to add a variety of choices of set bonus and they are collected even sets that they do not intend to use incase it becomes worthy.

Sounds like what we do here in ESO. Except they can have in excess of 600 storage slot per character plus an account wide inventory about that size. They still have inventory issues now that they have something more like what we have.

The crafting bag will not be taken away from ESO+ anytime soon. The next best solution for our inventory woes would be an armory. But that is not likely to happen for the very same reason a furniture bag will not be added. It has a significantly greater impact on the server performance than a crafting bag.

Anotherone773 · November 2019

I have a real solution to this problem. I have real money. $15 is nothing to me but to some players its hard to part with. What i dont have is time. Someone else has time but no money. We should trade.

If only ESO had game time cards that i could purchase and then sell on a guild trader or trade to a player, give away as a prize in a guild raffle.

Then i could spend my in game time doing things i want to do instead of earning gold. And someone else who is on a limited budget could get the benefits of ESO plus without having to pay out of their pocket.

I benefit, the other player benefits...but you know who benefits the most?ZOS. Because more subs being bought = more revenue. Everyone wins.

Palidon · November 2019

There is no way the players that want everything free in this game will get a craft bag without opening a paid subscription.

Mayrael · November 2019

No. Game needs money to run. You can have up to 18 characters which can have up to 200 inv space slots + 240 in bank. That gives you total 3840 space slots without paying for subscription (only one time for additional char slots). If this isn't enough then sorry, buy sub.

Lord_Bidr · November 2019

My subscription to ESO+ has run out, and I will not be resubbing until ZOS gets their s**t together. The constant recurring bugs, the broken pvp matches, the unbelievable degradation of the performance in Cyrodiil (DESPITE A DECREASING POPULATION), etc is too much for me to overlook.

I still enjoy the game enough to keep playing it, but not enough to keep paying them.

If they do offer a solution for the craft bag by, say, offering it in the cash shop, I may be willing to pay them one last time.

BalticBlues · November 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

We need to quit arguing about the Crafting Bag and demand that ZOS fix the inventory problem with a general solution. Personally, I think they should just make ESO+ give you infinite space for EVERYTHING, not just crafting mats. Then people would really have a reason to sub.

THIS. As someone with ESO+ I can honestly say:

1. Playing without crafting bag sucks
I saw people quitting ESO because they HATE the inventory chore.
The crafting bag is so essential, it should be part of the base game.
At least for one stack of each material because of the inflation of new materials.

2. The set management in ESO sucks even with ESO Plus
It just sucks too much time having to use toons and chests for set storage.
It also sucks having to deconstruct sets because you run out of storage.
Having a set bag in ESO+ could save power players from these chores.

Nordic__Knights · November 2019

Ya make it free and at same time give back my 14.99$ x12 x 5 and not in crowns i want cash like i paid in with my bank card could use it being xmas and all 😆 😆 😆

BalticBlues · November 2019

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Ya make it free and at same time give back my $

No. You forget that we ESO Plus subscribers also receive its value in crowns as a bonus.

ZOS needs to figure out how to make the base game AND ESO+ better.
By giving (at least a one stack limited) crafting bag to all, the base game would be much better.
By giving ESO+ subscribers a set bag for unlimited set storage, ESO+ also would be much better.

Nordic__Knights · November 2019

BalticBlues wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Ya make it free and at same time give back my $

No. You forget that we ESO Plus subscribers also receive its value in crowns as a bonus.

ZOS needs to figure out how to make the base game AND ESO+ better.
By giving (at least a one stack limited) crafting bag to all, the base game would be much better.
By giving ESO+ subscribers a set bag for unlimited set storage, ESO+ also would be much better.

If they start GIVING what players have been paying for (lots for years) for free then we ( us players thats paid ) should be giving our money back its that easy because not 1 of us sub for the crowns they know it and so do everyone else only reason to sub is for crafting bag to make playing an lil bit easygoing when you put in years and have gear mats and other stuff you HAVE to hold onto
But yes it be nice if they could or would up the space we have even if up to just 500 like an guild bank odd that guild banks hold more then personal banks but it is an group game so i guess i see that but again NOT NO BUT HELL NO TO FREE CRAFTING BAG !!!!!!!

DPShiro · November 2019

No.

Maggi12 · November 2019

Game without craft bag is like extended trial version of the game. If you want to play this game freely, without any restrictions/advanced discipline/etc, just subscribe to support our poor servers...
Simple logic, we have to pay sooner or later to support the game.

One of the simple solutions is to give the players ability to use a craft bag for free. Such events are too rare and occurs 1-2-3 times per year.
It would be cool to introduce the tradition of free eso+ for hour or day at the last day of the month. And call that day "restock day!"

ATomiX69 · November 2019

Maggi12 wrote: »

just subscribe to support our poor servers...

If ppl would see that the funds from ESO+ subs are being used for server maintenance and upgrades, im pretty sure more ppl would sub, but the performance is steadily decreasing since years, thats why I stopped subbing about a year ago.
Also reminder that eso is buy to play not free to play (yet), so if they are bragging with their 15 million "active" accounts they should be fine on the financial side of it just from initial game purchases.

Mayrael · November 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Crafting Bag doesn't even matter anymore. ESO accounts are so cheap, you can buy 10 and make your own guild bank for $50!

The real problem is that there are not enough general purpose inventory slots. The chests are puny and insignificant, even if you have all of them like I do. Shifting items back and forth with "mule" alts is incredibly tedious. I've already got to the point where I deconstructed a bunch of golded out crafted sets, which made me furious. There is no way in Oblivion I'm going to decon looted sets that took ages to acquire. You never know when you might need them.

We need to quit arguing about the Crafting Bag and demand that ZOS fix the inventory problem with a general solution. Personally, I think they should just make ESO+ give you infinite space for EVERYTHING, not just crafting mats. Then people would really have a reason to sub.

I would like to have unlimited space but can you imagine opening and managing inventory or bank with 10k items in it? Do you feel this lag and delay? Because it would lead to situations like this. I'm not saying what we have currently is good, but IMHO unlimited space could cause only more troubles.

Hixtory · November 2019

Oh well,

So far you have paid for:

* Imperial City: Now is free
* Morrowind: Now is free

No infinite space OK, but can´t we have 1000 slots for MATS only to be a part of the base game?

Many people KNOW this games IS "INVENTORY MANAGEMENT ONLINE".

Why people complain about something that will benefit the whole comunity and make it grow even bigger?

For once think on the general well being instead of "I paid for something, if you want it free give my money back"

We really need this

theyancey · November 2019

NO! Pay for Plus, play the game as is (It isn't difficult) or don't play.

barney2525 · November 2019

A thousand slots. For free.

That's all you want.

A THOUSAND slots for free.

Exactly how many different types of mats do you think are IN this game? One slot will hold 1000 of a specific mat.

So what you are really saying is, You want the benefit of ESO+ without paying for it. And you think you can 'con' Zos into giving it to you with this undocumented and unsupported claim that the game is failing.

And you really think that Zos is dumb enough to buy into that position.

Wow

Dosuul · November 2019

I'd like to get a Furniture Bag

Doesn't need to be unlimited, just like 100 slots.

FierceSam · November 2019

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

lol so no to this. I been paying for it for three years, making free now would require compensation. lol see how bad that sounds on both ends?

Grow up. You’ve been paying for it, you’ve been using it. You’ve had exactly what you paid for.

(Although I would love it, I agree ZOS will never do it)

Tommy_The_Gun · November 2019

I absolutely dont understand why people defend something that should be a part of a base game and is locked behind pay-wall monthly fee....

Don't you understand ? Inventory management is DELIBERATELY designed that way. To screw you initially so you would have to pay, so they would un-screw you. It is there by, deliberate, conscious action.

"Introduce a problem and then sell a solution for it"

It is no different from F76. Remember when they made items degeneration faster ? Why ? Just to sell gear-repair kit in cash shop...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rYEJ4-MaWs

To quote the video: You are fanboy ? It is completely natural to prefer one brand or product over another. But obsessing over them and defending bad decisions will only result in lazy companies.

When people ask about "something similar" I dont necessary think they want a free craft-bag. Not at all. They just want to have more options. You see, not every one like subscription models. And this is not the case of money either. It is a matter of personal preferences.

Inventory management is an issue. Without a doubt, even if you dont hoard gear, you still have this item-juggle mini-game, just to keep crafting items in your bank. Bank has 240 slots. And to keep at least one stack of just top tier crafting items, you would need something like 280 slots (crafting items + motif style items). Problem was not obvious at first, but once we got Summerset & jewellery crafting it became clear. Now, each time we have new dungeon DLC, we have at least 2 new crafting mats (motif style) and even with story DLC, we have new alchemy mats. If they introduce new crafting skill line (spell crafting for example), without addressing inventory management problem it will be RIP for many players.

Simple conclusion: If inventory management MUST be closed behind pay-wall, then they should simply add an option to increase bank space if you bought a chapter. So the cap would increase +10 for each owned chapter or story DLC. There, every one wins, as ESO+ would get double bank space, and non ESO+ would suffer less...

Anotherone773 · November 2019

BalticBlues wrote: »

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

Ya make it free and at same time give back my $

No. You forget that we ESO Plus subscribers also receive its value in crowns as a bonus.

ZOS needs to figure out how to make the base game AND ESO+ better.
By giving (at least a one stack limited) crafting bag to all, the base game would be much better.
By giving ESO+ subscribers a set bag for unlimited set storage, ESO+ also would be much better.

I know of no one that subs because of crowns. It is always the increased storage space followed by access to the DLCs. the crowns are the bonus not the feature.

Dosuul wrote: »

I'd like to get a Furniture Bag

Doesn't need to be unlimited, just like 100 slots.

YES! I currently use a home for furniture storage and its a pain. Id actually like an expandable furniture storage that is permanent and paid for with crowns. Maybe 1000 crowns for 50 slots.

theyancey wrote: »

NO! Pay for Plus, play the game as is (It isn't difficult) or don't play.

On that note, we need to realize that for a majority of players that play this game, the sub is a couple of hours at an entry level job for a month. In most cases, if you are an adult and cant afford $15 a month entertainment budget then you probably need to refocus your priorities. If your entertainment budget is bigger than $15 a month, then in reality you choose the entertainment that is important to you, which is not ESO obviously.

Jeremy · November 2019

Hixtory wrote: »

HI ZOS, your game is going downhill, everyone who has been around for years knows it. I used to have a friend list with 100 players, I had to check it and was down to only 60 players after deleting all the people who wont log in for 6 months or more...

This game feels like you need to pay ESO+ MOSTLY because of the craft bag, you keep monetizing this and making it harder and harder to manage without it, adding more materials, sets, furniture, etc, etc

Yeah, game needs to grow
Yeah, hoarding is bad, but is harder not to do it with every patch
IT'S BEEN a long time since you helped people with inventory management.
CHESTS were a lazy solution, you have to interrupt your journey to go to your house and check where you left X or Y item

So, want to show you care more about people who plays it, make the craft bag part of the game base, or something like it, if server can manage the craft bag it can manage something like NO INFINITE SPACE, but 1000 space for mats, beyong that you need ESO+

People will return and will pay ESO+ to show apreciation when things start to get better

PS: the pig with 5 slots, REALLY?

They should at least increase the size of your bank. It's been at 240 since...well beta and I can't think of a good reason why that hasn't been increased over the years.

Hixtory · November 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I absolutely dont understand why people defend something that should be a part of a base game and is locked behind pay-wall monthly fee....

Don't you understand ? Inventory management is DELIBERATELY designed that way. To screw you initially so you would have to pay, so they would un-screw you. It is there by, deliberate, conscious action.
"Introduce a problem and then sell a solution for it"

It is no different from F76. Remember when they made items degeneration faster ? Why ? Just to sell gear-repair kit in cash shop...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rYEJ4-MaWs

To quote the video: You are fanboy ? It is completely natural to prefer one brand or product over another. But obsessing over them and defending bad decisions will only result in lazy companies.

When people ask about "something similar" I dont necessary think they want a free craft-bag. Not at all. They just want to have more options. You see, not every one like subscription models. And this is not the case of money either. It is a matter of personal preferences.

Inventory management is an issue. Without a doubt, even if you dont hoard gear, you still have this item-juggle mini-game, just to keep crafting items in your bank. Bank has 240 slots. And to keep at least one stack of just top tier crafting items, you would need something like 280 slots (crafting items + motif style items). Problem was not obvious at first, but once we got Summerset & jewellery crafting it became clear. Now, each time we have new dungeon DLC, we have at least 2 new crafting mats (motif style) and even with story DLC, we have new alchemy mats. If they introduce new crafting skill line (spell crafting for example), without addressing inventory management problem it will be RIP for many players.

Simple conclusion: If inventory management MUST be closed behind pay-wall, then they should simply add an option to increase bank space if you bought a chapter. So the cap would increase +10 for each owned chapter or story DLC. There, every one wins, as ESO+ would get double bank space, and non ESO+ would suffer less...

Exactly, this is something that would benefit EVERYONE but I guess is hard for some people to accept or propose good changes.