I wonder if these players making threads every. Single. Day. Asking for harder overland / questing have bothered to spend the $10 to buy a new game key with zero cp and start from zero.

As an experiment and out of curiosity, I did exactly that a few weeks ago. Guess what, the content is sufficiently difficult. A new player just coming into the game today, especially after food has been nerfed once or twice a year, skills made more costly with regular patches, the price of mats and potions skyrocketing, and with the game offering very little education on how to git gud, the player would have a sufficiently difficult gaming experience overland and questing.

While I used to think Craglorn should have remained a more challenging zone, in the end, I've come around to being a "no" on this topic for one simple reason:

Trash mobs aren't supposed to be a challenge. They're supposed to be a nuisance.

Trash doesn't exist to make the game harder. It exists to slow you down, to drag things out, to make the game feel bigger and fuller than it really is. It's like the crackers in a meatloaf or the rice under your curry.

This is why all the little updates ZOS keeps making to trash mobs (the ones where they leap up in the air for a second or two and then come down to fight again or this new nonsense with Dragonhold where they leaping away like an acrobat) gets on my nerves. It doesn't make the trash fights more interesting. It doesn't make them challenging. It just makes them take longer. All it does is up the nuisance factor of nuisance content.

Considering that one of my top 3 issues with ESO is that it seems to be designed along a philosophy of treating the player's time like it's not valuable (a mentality I consider to be among the most profound levels of disrespect possible to show a person), I simply cannot support anything that makes the nuisance factor of the game more of a nuisance.

If anything, I"d like to spend less time bothering with trash.

The gold and silver zones were amazing before 1T. I loved being able to farm for hours and basically have an entire zone to myself.

I see no reason why it would be different now.

Varana wrote: »

BooPerScOOper wrote: »

Want harder; cut all CP in 1/2.. If they're (Devs) are not going to that, YOU run no CP in all content. easy fix.

CP is so not the problem.
As an experienced player, you can typically mow through overland mobs without any CP and barely notice the difference.

I agree. You have to also think of new players that haven't learned how the game works. Making Overland harder for them isn't a good thing to do.


I regularly play in no-CP Cyrodiil,

Has zero to do with PVE. no CP PVP builds are totally different than regular PVE.

and neither overland stuff nor delve bosses provide a serious challenge; they mostly are a bit more annoying speed-bumps.

Agreed; for experienced players. NOT for new players. (I keep saying this because it's not only us playing. We have to think about new players and the longevity of the game)


The difference is noticeable in Imperial City bosses, sure, but those are hardly the things you want to populate your run-of-the-mill Stonefalls delve with.

This would also include some Overland World Bosses.

Go into vMOL and try to get DMD with no CP. I don't think it has been done yet. 1/2 CP can still get you DMD



Edit - Sorry @ work.. Can't quote correctly

Davadin wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Why do players want more challenging content ... when they don’t participate in the challenging content that already exists in the game today??

I feel like most of these threads are by players who don't want to play with other people and wish this game was a giant Skyrim

wrong.

i want it to be an MMO that, as a knight in a fantasy world, feel INTIMIDATED when i walk into an unknown zone, or world-famous dangerous areas...

i dont want to go to Craglorn and sees low level casuals go node picking next to the huge daedras patrolling the land.....

ah.. well, it's too much work to explain how other MMO does it better.

So you want to spend your days battling nix-hounds and hoarvors on your way to the actual content. Sounds neat. In fact, sounds just like Skyrim when you boosted the difficulty all the way up.

The content you want exists. In trials. In dungeons. In places your low level casuals don't pick flowers.

As @MasterSpatula said, most players do not want to be inconvenienced repeatedly by trash mobs. Especially when they have done the content many, many times before and are doing it again because the game forces you to grind certain content when rolling an alternate character. Making that harder does nothing to my immersion.

EDIT: Saw the new update. I hate Coldharbor, so sure. Craglorn is fine the way it is. Or just make an entire new zone of aggro beasts. But revamping everything else for the sake of change is a hard no.

Some areas? How about all areas, but optionally? I think that's pretty much what most of us can agree on. I can see no reason to go to one or two areas just because they're harder. I want the whole world to be exciting, no matter where I go.

Cireous wrote: »

Some areas? How about all areas, but optionally? I think that's pretty much what most of us can agree on. I can see no reason to go to one or two areas just because they're harder. I want the whole world to be exciting, no matter where I go.

nah i like it if some areas are safer than other. nearby cities would be great and have low level mobs.

certain places even the weakest is as strong as public dungeon bosses....

The trouble is that there isn't really a solution for this issue that someone doesn't lose. You could make Vet zones a thing, but if you don't increase the drops people won't go there, except the folks who like the idea of having a whole zone's worth of nodes to themselves which imo would be a waste of game resources. If you made the zones more valuable, people who can't play in that content would be dissatisfied that they were being cut out unfairly.

Changing the game world for everyone is also a non starter for most of the reasons people have mentioned above. I also have to say that one of the reasons I came back to ESO was partly due to 1tam allowing me to tackles all the various quests in any order I wanted. Making changes to the whole game would effectively reverse that. For the person who doesn't like seeing low levels in Craglorn, why? What impact do they have on your game? If you don't want to see their levels, you can turn those off and they're just another random adventurer. The glowing portals seem to be plenty challenging for more experienced players and there are other areas where it is better to have a well built toon or a group on hand to deal with.

That said, if it were possible to do so without negatively impacting other players' experience I would love to see vet zones introduced (with no additional rewards, maybe just some achievements and maybe an unlockable outfit or something) That encourage you to complete the map achievements again but in a harder zone.

If we're talking serious pipe dreams, I would love to see them make a second set of quests for each of these zones that reflect the current state of the game's story and act as a sort of sequel to the events prior. These zones could be made more challenging (maybe not to the levels vets would want, but a nice middle ground) and let people continue to experience story and check in on the various characters we meet over our many hours in the game. Such a feature could be rolled out in threes, one for each faction zone and maybe happen twice a year or so. Once the base game zones are complete, the option would then exist to do the same with the dlc and chapter areas.

I for one, would like to return to Bleakrock and help those people rebuild and maybe help them pitch in for a jewelry station in their crafting area.

Davadin wrote: »

UPDATE: I MEANT TO SAY FOR SOME AREAS (ie. Craglorn, Coldharbour, etc.) ONLY!!!

: 100% increase in damage for all overland and public dungeons NPC. 100% increase of resistance. 200% aggro range increase (3x range). NO health increase though. Nothing changes in Dungeon/Trial. (except for mudcrabs)

Step One: Remove all champ points.
Step Two: Equip blue gear.
Step Three: Click a portal in craglorn without preloading skills.

Every other chapter should be an adventure zone like the current version of Craglorn instead of it constantly being a new starter zone.

Why just not nerf all the gear and skills and remove CP ?
And there you go, the end result is about the same as OP is suggesting.