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ZOS NEEDS to allow character/account transfers when next gen consoles release.
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DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭Database integrity must be a really hard concept for mouth breathers to grasp, huh.Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
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Is it? I admire your prophetic qualities but what I tried to point out differs. Compatibility is not only about what is technically possible but also what is wanted from a business point of view. Re-publishing of games is a business. For this very reason it is rather naive to think everything will be a given. If it is, I'll take it. But don't be too surprised if it won't be quite as consumer-friendly, even if it is technically a non-issue. It's not PCs, it's consoles. And it is a business after all.exeeter702 wrote: »Again this mindset regarding transfers and new platfroms is entirely unfounded. The ps4 to ps5 transition is in no way comparable here.
There is nothing prophetic about it. It's common sense.
The entire reason sony and ms shifted to practical pc hardware for their current gen systems was precisely for the reasons that they will be reaping come next gen, this is common industry knowledge. The install base is there, the transition is far more natural and the platform makers have less to worry about when they release a new tiered console. The only naivety is assuming a publishing deal for an existing proven profitable online game with a preexisting install base already integrated into sonys ecosystem, would have any roadblocks at all when the difference is in the same vein as when people migrated to the ps4 pro to play eso.
Eso is one perfect example game for precisely why this architecture shift was executed for.console hardware going forward.Edited by exeeter702 on November 14, 2019 4:32AM1 -
apri✭✭✭✭I think what you lack to see is the money ZOS makes from people jumping boats. There is a reason for why our unlocks are not bound to our accounts. If we hop over to a different platform we have to rebuy what we previously bought in the crown store if we want to utilize it again on the different platform. Everything you buy in-game is not unlocked in your account, just on the server you play on. That's not an accident of sorts but ensures additional profit for server-hopping whales.
So even if what you say comes true and the compatibility is in-place both from Sony's and from ZOS' side, it's still a business decision to be made if the pre-existing userbase is more valuable than a fresh boat with a lot of items to be (re-) bought from the store. This is nothing related to hardware compatibility or whatever. It is a business decision. So from my naive point of view, it is a bold move to say "listen, it will come like this, you will see". Yes, I will see. When it's there. And trust me I wish you are right with your assumption but pardon my hesitation for given reasons.0 -
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✭ReverseVenom wrote: »Xbone and Ps4 have both made massive improvements to their consoles but there have been clear differences in the directions they've taken (xbox backwards compatability/PS4 massive exclusive releases) and there will be a significant amount of players that are switching consoles brands next year. As someone who has put thousands of hours and enough money I'm scared to look at the actual value into this game, I should not have to start over simply because of the console I may or may not get. No one should have to lose progress or feel pigeon held to one brand because of ZOS and ESO.
While it is understandably complicated and I get why it was a one time thing when it dropped on console originally they have a year to work their stuff out and with more and more games adding the feature (destiny 2 for example, which is FREE to play) there is really no excuse why it can't be done.
If I understand you correctly, are you saying that I may not be able to take my account and characters etc from PS4, to PS5? If that is the case, then I agree 1 billion %.
If I lose my account because I want to upgrade to a new and improved console, I will NOT be coming back to ESO.
I have sunk thousands of hours into ESO and my characters, and a LOT of money. ZOS will lose me and I imagine many others if they disregard dedicated long term PAYING players like us.
One hopes that ZOS are well aware that new consoles are on the way and that players like us will be upgrading, and will facilitate transfer of accounts in some fashion.
.Edited by Grianasteri on November 14, 2019 11:41AM0 -
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✭✭✭Fyi, all PS4 games will be compatible with PS5. Same goes for Xbox 1 games and their next gen console...
Sony already confirmed this. So it's an acquired fact. Regarding Microsoft, they've already been doing this for some time.
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/04/ps5_confirmed_to_be_backwards_compatible_with_ps4_games
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think what you lack to see is the money ZOS makes from people jumping boats. There is a reason for why our unlocks are not bound to our accounts. If we hop over to a different platform we have to rebuy what we previously bought in the crown store if we want to utilize it again on the different platform. Everything you buy in-game is not unlocked in your account, just on the server you play on. That's not an accident of sorts but ensures additional profit for server-hopping whales.
So even if what you say comes true and the compatibility is in-place both from Sony's and from ZOS' side, it's still a business decision to be made if the pre-existing userbase is more valuable than a fresh boat with a lot of items to be (re-) bought from the store. This is nothing related to hardware compatibility or whatever. It is a business decision. So from my naive point of view, it is a bold move to say "listen, it will come like this, you will see". Yes, I will see. When it's there. And trust me I wish you are right with your assumption but pardon my hesitation for given reasons.
I'm talking about moving from ps4 to ps5, I'm not talking about moving from xbox to ps. Ps4 to ps5 is not a platform jump, that is the entire point. The only business decision here is whether or not both Sony and zenimax want to leave money on the table together. Eso on ps5 is not going on a new server. Purchases made to your account are bound to your platform for obvious reasons, this has nothing to do with the point I'm making.0 -
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✭✭✭It is interesting that almost everyone here is fixed on PS4-PS5, which is not going to be a problem.
The OP clearly indicated they are talking about switching console BRANDS. They want PS4 to next XBox, whatever that is called, or XBox whatever it is now (One?) to PS5. This is not going to happen.
There will be no migration with new consoles. You will continue to use your same account if you keep your platform (XBox/PS). Change from XBOX/PS4/PC to another platform and you can't bring your account with you. Separate infrastructure.
New consoles will NOT mean new infrastructure for ESO. Running ESO on the new consoles will just connect to the same servers as the old generation of consoles. ZOS has only done account transfers to empty databases, like when they released for console or when they pre-populate PTS.2 -
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✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »It is interesting that almost everyone here is fixed on PS4-PS5, which is not going to be a problem.
The OP clearly indicated they are talking about switching console BRANDS. They want PS4 to next XBox, whatever that is called, or XBox whatever it is now (One?) to PS5. This is not going to happen.
There will be no migration with new consoles. You will continue to use your same account if you keep your platform (XBox/PS). Change from XBOX/PS4/PC to another platform and you can't bring your account with you. Separate infrastructure.
New consoles will NOT mean new infrastructure for ESO. Running ESO on the new consoles will just connect to the same servers as the old generation of consoles. ZOS has only done account transfers to empty databases, like when they released for console or when they pre-populate PTS.
This.0 -
Darsaga✭✭✭To all the people saying the new consoles are backwards compatible please stop lol. The original post is about switching to a different console platform possibly and the ability to use their account on a new (brand) console. To the people that believe it is an issue with Microsoft or Sony dont kid yourself. Many games have a cross save feature and many games allow cross play between platforms. It probably would just cost ZOS money they are not willing to spend on their player base.0
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✭✭To all the people saying the new consoles are backwards compatible please stop lol. The original post is about switching to a different console platform possibly and the ability to use their account on a new (brand) console. To the people that believe it is an issue with Microsoft or Sony dont kid yourself. Many games have a cross save feature and many games allow cross play between platforms. It probably would just cost ZOS money they are not willing to spend on their player base.
It's both server infrastructure issues, and player purchases as well as a binding deal I'm sure is in place that that disallows ZOS to freely offer users a way to exit sony or ms platforms.
My tangents were only in response to gross misinformation in general being spread on here, as the op did clarify their point.Edited by exeeter702 on November 14, 2019 3:19PM0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭To all the people saying the new consoles are backwards compatible please stop lol. The original post is about switching to a different console platform possibly and the ability to use their account on a new (brand) console. To the people that believe it is an issue with Microsoft or Sony dont kid yourself. Many games have a cross save feature and many games allow cross play between platforms. It probably would just cost ZOS money they are not willing to spend on their player base.
You left out a lot of information there. Fortnite couldn't even do cross platform initially until they got Sony onboard. Not doing so would have hurt Sony's bottom line due to popularity of Fortnite.
And now that things are separate, merging creates its own problems. There are duplicate character names. There are very different economies. Merging platforms in Fortnite is really easy compared to this.0 -
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You're ignoring that they lose money if people quit playing entirely. Would you give up years of progress and purchases to start from scratch on what is basically the same exact platform?I think what you lack to see is the money ZOS makes from people jumping boats.0 -
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But that is happening already. If you go from console to PC or even from one region to another on the same platform, you start from scratch (basically what OP mentions here). That is not just true for your progress but also for bought in-game items. They don't carry over. So building up obstacles for longterm customers is a given already and no alien concept out of this world. It must be a more profitable business to resell items again and again and again as often as possible to the same person. Even if this person hates that, is unhappy over it and and some customers rather quit, it must be a good deal in the grand scheme of things.
And there is no need for it. I can explain if you don't mind my text wall (I'm sorry!). What we buy in the Playstation store, does indeed carry over among both ESO PS4 EU and NA servers. If we buy a crown package or ESO+ via the Playstation store, it will be active for both servers. The crowns we spent on either of the servers are gone for both. If I buy 5000 crowns in PSN store and spend 2000 on NA, I have both on NA and on EU 3000 crowns left. A very long time ago horses and some costumes were promoted via PSN if I remember correctly. They unlocked for both servers, as well. Chapters we buy via the PSN store also unlock for both regional servers on the same platform on PS4 automatically. Some crown crate events in the past unlocked crates for PC and both console servers simultaneously iirc. This proves that from the crownstore side there is some kind of communication and account alignment between servers in place.
However if I buy a costume in the crown store (so directly via ZOS, not via the Playstation store), it is bound to the server I bought it on. If I buy it on PS4 EU, it is available on PS4 EU only, not on PS4 NA, as well. Despite the communication between said servers, sales via crown store do not register and unlock within your account although they could. And despite the game claiming to do so. When the game tells us in the loading screens that unlocks are accountwide, it means accountwide on the very server you currently play on only. That's a big difference for those who consider to move to another platform or who like to jump between both regions of the platform they are on.
That brings me to the point I am trying to highlight the entire time. It is not about what makes the most sense to us. It is business and business follows its very own logic that sometimes surprises us. And following the games business for the last years does not give me much reason for optimism when it comes to profit versus customer satisfaction. A satisfied customer is good. An unhappy, yet money spending customer is better. That is gaming in 2019.
I'll leave it and jump off this topic with this from my point of view since I don't have more to add and don't want to argue with you guys. Basically I hope that you are correct with your more optimistic view on this topic. I'd gladly accept to be proven wrong in given time, I would actually be happy if I'm wrong. ^.^Edited by apri on November 14, 2019 4:43PM0 -
Karivaa✭✭✭✭✭ReverseVenom wrote: »Xbone and Ps4 have both made massive improvements to their consoles but there have been clear differences in the directions they've taken (xbox backwards compatability/PS4 massive exclusive releases) and there will be a significant amount of players that are switching consoles brands next year. As someone who has put thousands of hours and enough money I'm scared to look at the actual value into this game, I should not have to start over simply because of the console I may or may not get. No one should have to lose progress or feel pigeon held to one brand because of ZOS and ESO.
While it is understandably complicated and I get why it was a one time thing when it dropped on console originally they have a year to work their stuff out and with more and more games adding the feature (destiny 2 for example, which is FREE to play) there is really no excuse why it can't be done.
Why do we have to transfer our account from Xbox to Xbox? Surely that won’t be the case.
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nafensoriel✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »It is interesting that almost everyone here is fixed on PS4-PS5, which is not going to be a problem.
The OP clearly indicated they are talking about switching console BRANDS. They want PS4 to next XBox, whatever that is called, or XBox whatever it is now (One?) to PS5. This is not going to happen.
There will be no migration with new consoles. You will continue to use your same account if you keep your platform (XBox/PS). Change from XBOX/PS4/PC to another platform and you can't bring your account with you. Separate infrastructure.
New consoles will NOT mean new infrastructure for ESO. Running ESO on the new consoles will just connect to the same servers as the old generation of consoles. ZOS has only done account transfers to empty databases, like when they released for console or when they pre-populate PTS.
Perhaps we focus on the PS4-PS5 transition because asking for PS-Xbox is fundamentally stupid?
Sorry if that comes out strong but that is like buying a mac and expecting apple to pay for your next windows OS.
When you select a brand you select it wholly accepting the future of that brand and knowingly accept that you will have to pay money to transition to a new brand. It is not ZOS's fault you picked a bad horse if the new console of your selected brand is inferior to the competition. It is YOUR fault. You selected the brand.
ZOS will fully support brand continuity for their product. They will not compensate you for bad choices.0