ZOS NEEDS to allow character/account transfers when next gen consoles release.

ReverseVenom

Xbone and Ps4 have both made massive improvements to their consoles but there have been clear differences in the directions they've taken (xbox backwards compatability/PS4 massive exclusive releases) and there will be a significant amount of players that are switching consoles brands next year. As someone who has put thousands of hours and enough money I'm scared to look at the actual value into this game, I should not have to start over simply because of the console I may or may not get. No one should have to lose progress or feel pigeon held to one brand because of ZOS and ESO.

While it is understandably complicated and I get why it was a one time thing when it dropped on console originally they have a year to work their stuff out and with more and more games adding the feature (destiny 2 for example, which is FREE to play) there is really no excuse why it can't be done.

TheHsN

They even cant transfer PC Eu to PC NA....

worthless service

ReverseVenom

TheHsN wrote: »

They even cant transfer PC Eu to PC NA....

worthless service

Another thing they should have been working on then. Add it to the list

MJallday

Why should they need to, it should just work seamlessly when the next console is out surely? Unless of course it won’t work for the ps5 /Xbox two

ReverseVenom

MJallday wrote: »

Why should they need to, it should just work seamlessly when the next console is out surely? Unless of course it won’t work for the ps5 /Xbox two

I'm confused about your point here, they need because its been asked about for years but with next gen dropping and players switching consoles (xbone to ps5) it should be a no brainer to add it.

apri

Well let me throw in a few questions here (assuming ESO will be ported to the next gen consoles):

• Why are in the crown store bought costumes not unlocked in our account but on a per-server-basis?
• Why are bought mounts not unlocked account-wide?
• Why are bought houses not unlocked account-wide?
• Why are bought pets not unlocked... you got the picture

I think the answer is written on the wall.

What you suggest can be done. It has been done when ESO launched on consoles and PC players were allowed to have their accounts be copied to PS4 or Xbox One for a one-time-fee. The PTS shows that ZOS can still copy accounts in 2019 for PC players. So technically ZOS has proven it is doable on multiple occasions. But maybe it is not the most profitable thing in the world so we gonna have to wait and see if this is still... possible.

Acrolas

ZOS at no time ever needs to possibly compromise existing data.

ReverseVenom wrote: »

As someone who has put thousands of hours and enough money I'm scared to look at the actual value into this game

You're leasing everything from ZOS, including your account and all assets within. It's all a sunk cost with zero real monetary valuation. $0.

nafensoriel

That's the issue with buying a console persistent game. Your platform choice is not upgradable.

Though that said considering the PLATFORM SERVER is going to be CROSS COMPATIBLE...
It is fairly safe to assume you can simply buy the copy on the newer platform and retain your character information.

UntilValhalla13

Assuming we'll still be playing next Christmas...

Royaji

I'm not sure I'm following. Aren't both new consoles backwards compatible? I don't see why would ZOS even bother opening new servers (and even re-releasing the game at all) for PS5/Xboxwhatever ?

ManwithBeard9

This had nothing to do with ZOS and EVERYTHING to do with Sony and Microsoft. YOU need to ensure that those two companies have compatibility with previous gen titles. Your ESO console profile is tied directly to your PlayStation or Xbox account, it's not under full ZOS control like it is with direct PC purchases. If one (Sony) or both console companies doesn't support backwards compatibility, I doubt there's much ZOS could do to force them to give up ESO profiles to transfer.

MentalxHammer

Pleeeeaaase let me transfer my account to PC, starting on console was a mistake.

exeeter702

ReverseVenom wrote: »

Xbone and Ps4 have both made massive improvements to their consoles but there have been clear differences in the directions they've taken (xbox backwards compatability/PS4 massive exclusive releases) and there will be a significant amount of players that are switching gens next year. As someone who has put thousands of hours and enough money I'm scared to look at the actual value into this game, I should not have to start over simply because of the console I may or may not get. No one should have to lose progress or feel pigeon held to one brand because of ZOS and ESO.

While it is understandably complicated and I get why it was a one time thing when it dropped on console originally they have a year to work their stuff out and with more and more games adding the feature (destiny 2 for example, which is FREE to play) there is really no excuse why it can't be done.

Ypu should probably settle down. This is entirely a non issue.

The console architecture starting from this current gen is more akin to a pc box than any sort of unique proprietary internally manufactured hardware. Why is this relavant? Because the fact of the matter is you are basically using a prebuilt compact pc running a custom operating system + ui & storefront designed by sony/ms and specifically engineered to function and communicate directly to their facilitated network services. Why does THIS matter? Because unlike previous generations of console launches, we have officially entered a space where it is simply a matter of having games run at higher fidelity while still being made to run on various consoles of varying hardware power. The unique notion of "backwards compatibility" is not going to be a thing anymore outside of the instances where certain games just cant run at the minimum standards of performance on older consoles.

There will be no unique leap or transfer happening to eso with the introduction of the new consoles. It is quite literally no different than when the mid refreshes were released ie ps4 pro & x1x. The ps5 is going to be a beefier pre built pc box with a new revision of sonys user interface and new software features. The generational leaps of yesterday are no longer a wholly unique transition that developers need to learn how to code for and develope online systems for their games with completley new server infrastructures.

If zos decides to release eso on the ps5 or next xbox, it will be an absolute non event that will result in consoles players simply being able to enjoy the game at a closer high fidelity that their PC player peers have been able to enjoy for the last few years nothing more.

MJallday

Exactly this, the new consoles will come out and either eso will work on them and you’ll just be able to switch to them , or it won’t and you can’t

I would suggest the biggest jump will be when stadia launches tbh

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

"ZoS NEEDS"

idk

First possibility is one or both of the consoles have it in their contract that Zos cannot offer such a service. Of course the other possibility is Zos dose not want to build out a tool to transfer accounts from one platform to another.

Either way, Zos has said they will not build out such a tool for copying to a live server and considering they knew they could sell such a service I doubt anything has occurred that would change their mind. Especially if a contract forbids it.

ReverseVenom

exeeter702 wrote: »

ReverseVenom wrote: »

Xbone and Ps4 have both made massive improvements to their consoles but there have been clear differences in the directions they've taken (xbox backwards compatability/PS4 massive exclusive releases) and there will be a significant amount of players that are switching gens next year. As someone who has put thousands of hours and enough money I'm scared to look at the actual value into this game, I should not have to start over simply because of the console I may or may not get. No one should have to lose progress or feel pigeon held to one brand because of ZOS and ESO.

While it is understandably complicated and I get why it was a one time thing when it dropped on console originally they have a year to work their stuff out and with more and more games adding the feature (destiny 2 for example, which is FREE to play) there is really no excuse why it can't be done.

Ypu should probably settle down. This is entirely a non issue.

The console architecture starting from this current gen is more akin to a pc box than any sort of unique proprietary internally manufactured hardware. Why is this relavant? Because the fact of the matter is you are basically using a prebuilt compact pc running a custom operating system + ui & storefront designed by sony/ms and specifically engineered to function and communicate directly to their facilitated network services. Why does THIS matter? Because unlike previous generations of console launches, we have officially entered a space where it is simply a matter of having games run at higher fidelity while still being made to run on various consoles of varying hardware power. The unique notion of "backwards compatibility" is not going to be a thing anymore outside of the instances where certain games just cant run at the minimum standards of performance on older consoles.

There will be no unique leap or transfer happening to eso with the introduction of the new consoles. It is quite literally no different than when the mid refreshes were released ie ps4 pro & x1x. The ps5 is going to be a beefier pre built pc box with a new revision of sonys user interface and new software features. The generational leaps of yesterday are no longer a wholly unique transition that developers need to learn how to code for and develope online systems for their games with completley new server infrastructures.

If zos decides to release eso on the ps5 or next xbox, it will be an absolute non event that will result in consoles players simply being able to enjoy the game at a closer high fidelity that their PC player peers have been able to enjoy for the last few years nothing more.

I feel I've conveyed my point poorly, they need to add account transfer between consoles, as in PS and XBOX. I'm not screeching about whether it will be backwards compatible or not.

Tigerseye

Acrolas wrote: »

You're leasing everything from ZOS, including your account and all assets within. It's all a sunk cost with zero real monetary valuation. $0.

Not really the point, is it?

The OP just wants to be able to transfer the stuff, he has paid to access, over to another platform, if necessary.

He's not asking for a refund, or anything.

Acrolas

Tigerseye wrote: »

Not really the point, is it?

The OP just wants to be able to transfer the stuff, he has paid to access, over to another platform, if necessary.

He's not asking for a refund, or anything.

This thread demands a feature that was never part of the agreed-upon terms. By not having ownership of the account, we waive all claim to negotiation and accept all Services as-is.

The time to take issue with the agreement is before you agree to it, not at any point afterward. Changes in functionality and technology, or features in other products have no bearing on the terms of service for this product.

nafensoriel

ReverseVenom wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

ReverseVenom wrote: »

Xbone and Ps4 have both made massive improvements to their consoles but there have been clear differences in the directions they've taken (xbox backwards compatability/PS4 massive exclusive releases) and there will be a significant amount of players that are switching gens next year. As someone who has put thousands of hours and enough money I'm scared to look at the actual value into this game, I should not have to start over simply because of the console I may or may not get. No one should have to lose progress or feel pigeon held to one brand because of ZOS and ESO.

While it is understandably complicated and I get why it was a one time thing when it dropped on console originally they have a year to work their stuff out and with more and more games adding the feature (destiny 2 for example, which is FREE to play) there is really no excuse why it can't be done.

Ypu should probably settle down. This is entirely a non issue.

The console architecture starting from this current gen is more akin to a pc box than any sort of unique proprietary internally manufactured hardware. Why is this relavant? Because the fact of the matter is you are basically using a prebuilt compact pc running a custom operating system + ui & storefront designed by sony/ms and specifically engineered to function and communicate directly to their facilitated network services. Why does THIS matter? Because unlike previous generations of console launches, we have officially entered a space where it is simply a matter of having games run at higher fidelity while still being made to run on various consoles of varying hardware power. The unique notion of "backwards compatibility" is not going to be a thing anymore outside of the instances where certain games just cant run at the minimum standards of performance on older consoles.

There will be no unique leap or transfer happening to eso with the introduction of the new consoles. It is quite literally no different than when the mid refreshes were released ie ps4 pro & x1x. The ps5 is going to be a beefier pre built pc box with a new revision of sonys user interface and new software features. The generational leaps of yesterday are no longer a wholly unique transition that developers need to learn how to code for and develope online systems for their games with completley new server infrastructures.

If zos decides to release eso on the ps5 or next xbox, it will be an absolute non event that will result in consoles players simply being able to enjoy the game at a closer high fidelity that their PC player peers have been able to enjoy for the last few years nothing more.

I feel I've conveyed my point poorly, they need to add account transfer between consoles, as in PS and XBOX. I'm not screeching about whether it will be backwards compatible or not.

Could you attempt again to explain why you feel console transfers need to be a thing? If it isn't about backwards compatibility or account retention then what exactly do you plan to solve with transferring to an entirely different platform?

MJallday

ReverseVenom wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

ReverseVenom wrote: »

Xbone and Ps4 have both made massive improvements to their consoles but there have been clear differences in the directions they've taken (xbox backwards compatability/PS4 massive exclusive releases) and there will be a significant amount of players that are switching gens next year. As someone who has put thousands of hours and enough money I'm scared to look at the actual value into this game, I should not have to start over simply because of the console I may or may not get. No one should have to lose progress or feel pigeon held to one brand because of ZOS and ESO.

While it is understandably complicated and I get why it was a one time thing when it dropped on console originally they have a year to work their stuff out and with more and more games adding the feature (destiny 2 for example, which is FREE to play) there is really no excuse why it can't be done.

Ypu should probably settle down. This is entirely a non issue.

The console architecture starting from this current gen is more akin to a pc box than any sort of unique proprietary internally manufactured hardware. Why is this relavant? Because the fact of the matter is you are basically using a prebuilt compact pc running a custom operating system + ui & storefront designed by sony/ms and specifically engineered to function and communicate directly to their facilitated network services. Why does THIS matter? Because unlike previous generations of console launches, we have officially entered a space where it is simply a matter of having games run at higher fidelity while still being made to run on various consoles of varying hardware power. The unique notion of "backwards compatibility" is not going to be a thing anymore outside of the instances where certain games just cant run at the minimum standards of performance on older consoles.

There will be no unique leap or transfer happening to eso with the introduction of the new consoles. It is quite literally no different than when the mid refreshes were released ie ps4 pro & x1x. The ps5 is going to be a beefier pre built pc box with a new revision of sonys user interface and new software features. The generational leaps of yesterday are no longer a wholly unique transition that developers need to learn how to code for and develope online systems for their games with completley new server infrastructures.

If zos decides to release eso on the ps5 or next xbox, it will be an absolute non event that will result in consoles players simply being able to enjoy the game at a closer high fidelity that their PC player peers have been able to enjoy for the last few years nothing more.

I feel I've conveyed my point poorly, they need to add account transfer between consoles, as in PS and XBOX. I'm not screeching about whether it will be backwards compatible or not.

You have to bear in mind the PS4 databases won’t be anything like the Xbox or pc - and vice versa

I would suspect doing it would involve a very complex set of database moves - but more likely a lot of translations of data between formats as well as a lot of insertions and deletions of records required for the platform


It could probably be automated in time but there’s no benefit to ZOS in doing so unless they figured out how to charge for it - and the amount of ppl wanting to do it would be very small - so my take is that it will never Happen

Sorry

Tsar_Gekkou

They might offer PC to console transfers like in the past, but won't offer what everyone actually wants: console to PC transfers.

idk

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

They might offer PC to console transfers like in the past, but won't offer what everyone actually wants: console to PC transfers.

The PC to console transfers, besides having two requirements most players today would not meet, was to a server that had not gone live. Very different than transferring to a live server and that part is what Zos said they would not build a tool for.

ReverseVenom

[/quote]

I feel I've conveyed my point poorly, they need to add account transfer between consoles, as in PS and XBOX. I'm not screeching about whether it will be backwards compatible or not.[/quote]

Could you attempt again to explain why you feel console transfers need to be a thing? If it isn't about backwards compatibility or account retention then what exactly do you plan to solve with transferring to an entirely different platform?[/quote]

It is about account retention? Keeping all your progress from one console platform to another

ReverseVenom

well that quote didn't work^ @nafensoriel response there

Tandor

First, the original copy from PC to console was to a clean database, and ZOS have said they don't have a system in place to adapt that for a copy to an existing database on a different platform, and that it isn't considered viable to do so.

Second, it is widely assumed that the contract ZOS has with both MS and Sony expressly prohibits removing accounts from those companies - which is what a platform transfer would involve. That would certainly be logical from a business viewpoint.

idk

ReverseVenom wrote: »

I feel I've conveyed my point poorly, they need to add account transfer between consoles, as in PS and XBOX. I'm not screeching about whether it will be backwards compatible or not.[/quote]

Could you attempt again to explain why you feel console transfers need to be a thing? If it isn't about backwards compatibility or account retention then what exactly do you plan to solve with transferring to an entirely different platform?[/quote]

It is about account retention? Keeping all your progress from one console platform to another[/quote]

You tagged me after this so I expect you are replying to my last comment.

I pretty much expected you were talking about transfer between platforms, not backwards compatibility as that is likely a on issue.

Zos did an "account copy" once and stated it would only happen once. It had two requirements that most of today's players never met and no one, including myself, could meet any longer. It was to server that were not live which requires a much less intensive approach than copying information in bulk to a live server.

However, the issue is Zos has a reason they have chosen not to offer such a service which they could monetize. It is either contractual or it is they do not feel it is worth the effort along the lines of why they do not offer faction change.

If it is contractual they will not say so. Business partners tend to not toss each other under the bus with issues like this so Zos would not want to blame Sony or Microsoft.

it is what it is. What you have asked for comes up from time to time but nothing real significant. The point is I do not think there is anything in this thread that is anymore compelling than the previous threads. Sorry.

ReverseVenom

idk wrote: »

ReverseVenom wrote: »

I feel I've conveyed my point poorly, they need to add account transfer between consoles, as in PS and XBOX. I'm not screeching about whether it will be backwards compatible or not.

Could you attempt again to explain why you feel console transfers need to be a thing? If it isn't about backwards compatibility or account retention then what exactly do you plan to solve with transferring to an entirely different platform?[/quote]

It is about account retention? Keeping all your progress from one console platform to another[/quote]

You tagged me after this so I expect you are replying to my last comment.

I pretty much expected you were talking about transfer between platforms, not backwards compatibility as that is likely a on issue.

Zos did an "account copy" once and stated it would only happen once. It had two requirements that most of today's players never met and no one, including myself, could meet any longer. It was to server that were not live which requires a much less intensive approach than copying information in bulk to a live server.

However, the issue is Zos has a reason they have chosen not to offer such a service which they could monetize. It is either contractual or it is they do not feel it is worth the effort along the lines of why they do not offer faction change.

If it is contractual they will not say so. Business partners tend to not toss each other under the bus with issues like this so Zos would not want to blame Sony or Microsoft.

it is what it is. What you have asked for comes up from time to time but nothing real significant. The point is I do not think there is anything in this thread that is anymore compelling than the previous threads. Sorry.[/quote]

I messed up the tags in my attempt to correct the quoting error, kind of a double whammy. Regardless still figured I'd throw this out there as it is more imperative with the upcoming releases than before, you're entitled to your opinion though

nafensoriel

ReverseVenom wrote: »

It is about account retention? Keeping all your progress from one console platform to another

Are you saying you might switch to a different version of the console for the newer versions? IE going from PS4 to whatever the new Xbox is?

In that case, there will most likely never be an account transfer like this for various reasons ZOS has already gone into in the past.

If you are saying you are concerned with account retention from a PS4 to a PS5... This will probably already exist.
The servers themselves will not change. The software itself will not change. This kind of continuity is already baked into the PS5 with what sony has already stated. Heck, you probably don't even need to repurchase the game.

Canned_Apples

they're backwards compatible...

david_m_18b16_ESO

Will ESO be compatible with PS5 at all ?