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REPUTATION SYSTEM
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Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭furiouslog wrote: »A player-based system like this would get rigorously abused, and would be full of retaliatory actions. Guilds would end up being internally solicited to downgrade players that a single person had a negative interaction with, tyrannizing large groups. I can't imagine what would happen in PvP, particularly given the racism/sexism/naming&shaming that already takes place within the confines of the system.
Game decisions influencing the environment are interesting, though - getting titles/rewards based on a pattern of certain kinds of choices would be fun, and NPC reactions to a habitual set of heartless decisions would be fun (e.g. goody two shoes players get bright/light dyes for certain achievements, evil toons receive dark/bloody dyes for choosing alternative actions).
I also find it weird that I've repeatedly pick pocketed and murdered citizens for motif drops in Morrowind, but Vivec is totally cool with that and treats me like a hero. On the other hand, Sithis demanded it. What're ya gonna do.
The last part of this made me laugh. Haha. Yeah Vivec must be very forgiving . . .
Reminder:
This is not based on player influence.
They are most likely best considered as rewards and achievements with consequences.
Like, why WOULD someone want to have a bad reputation? In order to EARN THAT you have to essentially make bad social decisions and choices (but what choices is the question) which internally wastes your own time and progression. However, accurate nonetheless because of so.Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 3:26PM0 -
redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You really need to learn how to make a proper poll and not a biased poll..."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
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Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭redlink1979 wrote: »You really need to learn how to make a proper poll and not a biased poll...
I'm sorry you feel that way. Thanks for. . . .
Yeeah.Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 3:40PM0 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I need something to convince people I’m not really a bad dude. If you liked doing the dungeon with this guy, give a thumbs up!1 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭kylewwefan wrote: »I need something to convince people I’m not really a bad dude. If you liked doing the dungeon with this guy, give a thumbs up!
Sounds like he deserves something more relevant to dungeons though. Not necessarily a good guy
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Kahmel✭✭✭This sounds like a good idea on paper but in reality it'd be flawed such as in League of Legends people get a badge of honor next to their name if they get honored enough so people can see that they're an honorable player but on the Korean server players "honor" bad players so people will know to avoid them when they see them.
There isn't really much you could do to create a system like this and not have it be abused whether it's enforced by players or an algorithm unless A LOT of resources and planning went into it and I highly doubt ZOS is going to put that much effort into a reputation system.2 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭This sounds like a good idea on paper but in reality it'd be flawed such as in League of Legends people get a badge of honor next to their name if they get honored enough so people can see that they're an honorable player but on the Korean server players "honor" bad players so people will know to avoid them when they see them.
There isn't really much you could do to create a system like this and not have it be abused whether it's enforced by players or an algorithm unless A LOT of resources and planning went into it and I highly doubt ZOS is going to put that much effort into a reputation system.
I see ways around this. Don't use League of Legends' "Badge of Honor" system for one......Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 4:04PM0 -
chrightt✭✭✭✭Seriously a biased poll. This system just sounds like an incredibly biased system where if you have a group of friends or you’re a streamer you can simply lower some random’s reputation by a whole lot. Your unwillingness to provide an unbiased poll suggests that you yourself knows the negative consequences and unpopularity of your own suggestion while still desiring it for your own purposes.
Rather than a “credit score” it seems more like Amazon’s poor employee treatment model where they put employees against each other and people consistently form groups and falsify information on other employees to get them fired (source: Amazon IT friend x2 and a manager buddy there). This system sounds as superficial as the Amazon one and I think another comparison would be the Chinese government assigning statuses to their citizens or your hue score in Psycho Pass.
A hard no from me.Edited by chrightt on November 13, 2019 4:09PM1 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Seriously a biased poll. This system just sounds like an incredibly biased system where if you have a group of friends or you’re a streamer you can simply lower some random’s reputation by a whole lot. Your unwillingness to provide an unbiased poll suggests that you yourself knows the negative consequences and unpopularity of your own suggestion while still desiring it for your own purposes.
A hard no from me.
You clearly read nothing. Thanks anyways for the "unbiased" opinion.... I literally have no idea what the *** you are referring to at all. Did I *** in your cereal? This is why we need a Reputation System.
These comments serve a bigger purpose than you figured. It just helps my purpose as to why I think it's wise we get one.
Relax. Christ. It's a thread, silly. On a game. To help us route out the people YOU guys *** about EVERYDAY. You got the option to comment and you didnt vote. I didnt get your support. Next.
Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 4:14PM0 -
Enemy-of-Coldharbour✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No thank you. Too easy to abuse/exploit.
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caperb✭✭✭✭✭
✭A big NO. I'd rather not live in China with its censorship.
Edit: where is the no in the poll?Edited by caperb on November 13, 2019 4:15PM2 -
IndianaJames7✭✭✭✭✭This is a terrible idea. Zos can’t even make a working activity finder, the last thing I want is them trying their hand at creating a virtue point system.1 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭IndianaJames7 wrote: »This is a terrible idea. Zos can’t even make a working activity finder, the last thing I want is them trying their hand at creating a virtue point system.
Great idea. Im sorry you dont have much faith in the developers.0 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Even your poll options are bias. There is no 'dislike' choice.
Having a reputation score and rewards based on that score is a terrible idea. It's to easy to manipulate. Spend a few hours playing with friends and of course your score will go up. Get into a terrible pug and the first person to leave gets hit the hardest. There a some people that would target a guild, just because they lost their trade spot.
Having a reputation score would create to many problems with a whole new troll system.2 -
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✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »No. No. And, no.
People have a perfectly good ignore button. We don't need a Big Brother style automated "trust level" system.
If you need help understanding why, go ask WoW players about the tyranny of an abused robotic report system.
Absolutely! You shouldn't rely on A Big Brother Trust System. It's a good thing we have a mind of our own, let alone something to help us feel a bit more secure about who we play with despite whatever we think of who we play with
The other bad thing about your idea is that it would mark people with a big scarlet letter, which doesn't give them much incentive to change their behavior. We don't need some stupid system that basically promulgates preconceptions about players before they even say anything to anyone.
I know, I know, you want to believe that people would be rational in the face of running into a player who is labeled as "not trusted", and people would give them a chance despite their nature, but I really think you're just naive or have a deep rooted desire to micromanage the world around you in the most efficient way possible.2 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭this thread is offering a horrible idea, and i hope it never happens in eso nor on this forum.
just let us play normaly like we have for the past 6 years in this game and forum have had zero problems so far and zero reason to need a system like this thread is suggesting.0 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Yeah I notice all the friends share the same opinions and they are reptitive and say the same thing and its like nonsense .. but mostly everyone wants this by some degreeEdited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 4:28PM0
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Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »No. No. And, no.
People have a perfectly good ignore button. We don't need a Big Brother style automated "trust level" system.
If you need help understanding why, go ask WoW players about the tyranny of an abused robotic report system.
Absolutely! You shouldn't rely on A Big Brother Trust System. It's a good thing we have a mind of our own, let alone something to help us feel a bit more secure about who we play with despite whatever we think of who we play with
The other bad thing about your idea is that it would mark people with a big scarlet letter, which doesn't give them much incentive to change their behavior. We don't need some stupid system that basically promulgates preconceptions about players before they even say anything to anyone.
I know, I know, you want to believe that people would be rational in the face of running into a player who is labeled as "not trusted", and people would give them a chance despite their nature, but I really think you're just naive or have a deep rooted desire to micromanage the world around you in the most efficient way possible.
Yeah. You know what!? You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
SO HERE, share your opinion and have no concern of what others think of it. Act the way you want.. . .
Boom. So heres YOUR SCARLETT LETTER:
"The Reasonable"
Get my point? If not. Read it again cause a lot of you seem to constantly contradict yourselves or endlessly point something out that doesnt really support the concerns that some may have.. so its like...
Hard for me to help ya out LOLEdited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 4:31PM0 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Yeah I notice all the friends share the same opinions and they are reptitive and say the same thing and its like nonsense .. but mostly everyone wants this by some degree
Why did you post your poll if you weren't ready to debate your ideas? Don't propose massively controversial changes to major aspects of the game if you're not ready for people to tell you why they think it's a bad idea.
As a matter of record: not including a "no" response in your polls is a very biased approach. It literally defeats the purpose of a poll. No, it is not the same as "no response", which could mean that people simply never clicked on your thread and have no idea what you're poll is about.Edited by srfrogg23 on November 13, 2019 5:07PM3 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭No.
Thats why you can constantly comment on it and still leave no support but remain to harass me on a topic irrelevant to the thread.Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 4:35PM0 -
Kahmel✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »This sounds like a good idea on paper but in reality it'd be flawed such as in League of Legends people get a badge of honor next to their name if they get honored enough so people can see that they're an honorable player but on the Korean server players "honor" bad players so people will know to avoid them when they see them.
There isn't really much you could do to create a system like this and not have it be abused whether it's enforced by players or an algorithm unless A LOT of resources and planning went into it and I highly doubt ZOS is going to put that much effort into a reputation system.
I see ways around this. Don't use League of Legends' "Badge of Honor" system for one......
It seems you've missed my point but I'll humor you. What're your ways to prevent abuse?0 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »This sounds like a good idea on paper but in reality it'd be flawed such as in League of Legends people get a badge of honor next to their name if they get honored enough so people can see that they're an honorable player but on the Korean server players "honor" bad players so people will know to avoid them when they see them.
There isn't really much you could do to create a system like this and not have it be abused whether it's enforced by players or an algorithm unless A LOT of resources and planning went into it and I highly doubt ZOS is going to put that much effort into a reputation system.
I see ways around this. Don't use League of Legends' "Badge of Honor" system for one......
It seems you've missed my point but I'll humor you. What're your ways to prevent abuse?
I'll show you one.
Hold your breathe and await my response to you
No. Clearly you missed all mine. Goodbye.Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 4:36PM0 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »Yeah I notice all the friends share the same opinions and they are reptitive and say the same thing and its like nonsense .. but mostly everyone wants this by some degree
Why did you post your poll if you weren't ready to debate your ideas. Don't propose massively controversial changes to major aspects of the game if you're not ready for people to tell you why they think it's a bad idea.
As a matter of record: not including a "no" response in your polls is a very biased approach. It literally defeats the purpose of a poll. No, it is not the same as "no response", which could mean that people simply never clicked on your thread and have no idea what you're poll is about.
This isn't a debate. Bring up a rebuttle? Quit trolling? This is how I deal with people who antagonize me Not how I discuss things. You havent tried to discuss the matter with me!?!
You've just been bitter and rude the whole way thru. Goodbye Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 4:39PM0 -
Kahmel✭✭✭You're being rude to everyone that is criticizing your idea, refusing to acknowledge any form of discussion and generally you're quite toxic.
If this idea went through you'd be the first person posting on the forums asking why ZOS created such a thing because no one would group with you or leave on sight because your reputation would be as horrible as your personality.
Have a nice day.4 -
Sarannah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The downsides of a system like this is just like the downsides of a biased poll.... there will always be players who see it their way, and forget about everyone else.
Imagine trolls or guilds negatively targetting one individual. Or some foolish pvp players who right now already degrade/insult other players in pvp. I stopped doing pvp because of idiots like that, regardless of finishing second/first in most of my teams. Or players who are in a 'comical' mood and just negatively rate anyone they meet.
Imagine what would happen to players targetted wrongly, they would quit altogether.
Systems like these should never exist, anywhere.0 -
Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭Awesome. How rude and "unbiased" of you guys. I feel so welcome in this community that I have been in for ever and have never EVER been insulted or treated badly until 5 years later when I joined the forum.
You are nothing. You have no idea who you are speaking to. Pft. And neither do I. You get carried away like a perfect ***. I am done with you, you're a perfect stereotype. A+ to all of you for getting under my skin and antagonizing me.
Keep bumping my posts. I got plans lol
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