Buying Skyshards with crowns

ImmortalCX · November 2019

If selling shyshards means they can add significant and new end game content/progression, then id be ok with it.

The problem with eso is lack of vertical progression.

SeaGtGruff · November 2019

I don't mind that these things are available to purchase, but I would have rather seen them purchasable with in-game gold. It's sort of like a variation of buying skill lessons from NPC trainers in other ES games, except you have to use real money, and you can't buy any improvements unless you've already unlocked them on another character first.

I don't like buying skill lessons from NPC trainers in the other ES games, because I prefer to improve each skill on my own by playing the game. To me, that's part of the whole point of playing the game in the first place, and if you buy shortcuts then it's sort of like you've missed the point.

But just because I want to do things the long, hard way in a game, that doesn't make it wrong for people who prefer to take the short, easy way.

katanagirl1 · November 2019

Marcus684 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I don’t have a problem with people buying skyshards for new characters when they got them on previous characters.

However, I don’t think you guys get the point about skyshard achievement when it comes to Cyrodiil. By getting the sub-achievement on 3 separate characters and then buying for the rest, you can obtain an achievement that you did not get on any of them.

It’s an achievement. A simple check mark on a list of pointless tasks to do for a false sense of accomplishment. I literally could not care less if someone gets this achievement by buying it

Perhaps you don’t know how long it takes to get those 4 skyshards from behind the gates of 2 opposing factions

Hapexamendios · November 2019

I bought some of the Cyrodil ones for an alt. Worth the price not to have to go in and get them.

Marcus684 · November 2019

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I don’t have a problem with people buying skyshards for new characters when they got them on previous characters.

However, I don’t think you guys get the point about skyshard achievement when it comes to Cyrodiil. By getting the sub-achievement on 3 separate characters and then buying for the rest, you can obtain an achievement that you did not get on any of them.

It’s an achievement. A simple check mark on a list of pointless tasks to do for a false sense of accomplishment. I literally could not care less if someone gets this achievement by buying it

Perhaps you don’t know how long it takes to get those 4 skyshards from behind the gates of 2 opposing factions

I know exactly how long it can take to get them. I’ve done it on probably 6 of my 14 characters, but I still couldn’t care less if someone else buys it. It has exactly zero impact on my life if someone gets something easier that I got it, and I think the world would be a much better place if more people felt the same way.

agegarton · November 2019

1. Got all sky shards on my main.
2. Bought some zones on an alt to give me more skill points.
3. Expected to be winning a lot more as a result of the many P2W threads.......but
4. Am winning as much as I was before.
5. Have concluded that buying sky shards for skill points is NOT P2W.

Contaminate · November 2019

agegarton wrote: »

1. Got all sky shards on my main.
2. Bought some zones on an alt to give me more skill points.
3. Expected to be winning a lot more as a result of the many P2W threads.......but
4. Am winning as much as I was before.
5. Have concluded that buying sky shards for skill points is NOT P2W.

You are able to unlock more skills and passives at low levels than a comparable non-paying player in a PvP environment, creating a clear power imbalance. That’s P2W. Even if you’re not capable of utilizing that advantage it’s still an advantage.

JumpmanLane · November 2019

RottingAlien wrote: »

Hello All!
So, most of you know by now that there will be something called "Skyshard Achievements for Alternate Characters", where if you unlock "a Skyshard Hunter" Achievement, you can unlock those skyshards in an alt character using the crown store. You can read about it in the patchnotes
I want to make it clear, that this is not a discussion on whether it is P2W or not. I'm not saying it is and I do not think it is.
But, being or not being P2W, i think everyone can agree that it is a hell of a shortcut.

Don't get me wrong. I have Eso+, I have crowns, I'm lucky I can click and simply buy stuff. But the fact that people can only get these with crowns worries me about the future of ESO. Not the future of the crown store, but the future of ESO's health and community.
It worries me that this will open doors to more crown bought achievements or "shortcuts".
And most of all, It worries me that it will start to scare people off.

I would say ESO is at its prime right now. Lots of people coming in from other game(s), lots of content, new class coming up. All is great. And I'm really happy that ESO is finally getting the attention it deserves.
But this crown thing might just be what will turn people away. And I don't like the sound of it.
The problem is not this isolated SkyShard thing but if it will start happening with other stuff too.
I would suggest and would like to know how everyone would feel about this, that you'd have something like the Shrine of Srendarr or Shrine of Stuhn but for SkyShards. Where you could unlock skyshards by using the Shrine (or something else) and you would still have the Crown Store option. This would be much more like how ESO does things. This would give everyone a most equal chance to get those skill points. I've always praised ESO on how they treat their paid stuff, but this time... Well this time doesn't really sound like ESO.

TLDR; Being able to buy skyshards with crowns only, can open the precedent to future bought "shortcuts". If this is to be implemented, at least players should be able to buy the skyshards with Gold also. Like when using the shrine of Srendarr or Stuhn.

What are your thoughts on this?

After 4 years, It's the first time I really feel the need to start a discussion on the forums. So this has had some thought put into it. It is something that really worries me as a fan of ESO. I want it to be healthy for many more years to come.

Sorry if formatting could be better.

Happy Adventuring!

EDIT: Typos and added a TLDR

The shortcuts already exist. SKILL-Lines. I got all the skyshards on my main. I got all the skillines maxed out except for bow (which is 36 on a MagDk lol).

Bottom-line. Eso is a business. I don’t have an issue as long as what they want money for is an actual value and doesn’t involve “paying to win”.

Selling skyshards and skill lines doesn’t offer any sort of advantage competitively. In fact, such sales for crowns makes the game less grindy. It lets the player spend more time playing as opposed to grinding. It’s really a good thing which ZOS should be applauded for.

agegarton · November 2019

Contaminate wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

1. Got all sky shards on my main.
2. Bought some zones on an alt to give me more skill points.
3. Expected to be winning a lot more as a result of the many P2W threads.......but
4. Am winning as much as I was before.
5. Have concluded that buying sky shards for skill points is NOT P2W.

You are able to unlock more skills and passives at low levels than a comparable non-paying player in a PvP environment, creating a clear power imbalance. That’s P2W. Even if you’re not capable of utilizing that advantage it’s still an advantage.

So you're saying I did P2W but I must first L2P ? Harsh.

Contaminate · November 2019

agegarton wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

1. Got all sky shards on my main.
2. Bought some zones on an alt to give me more skill points.
3. Expected to be winning a lot more as a result of the many P2W threads.......but
4. Am winning as much as I was before.
5. Have concluded that buying sky shards for skill points is NOT P2W.

You are able to unlock more skills and passives at low levels than a comparable non-paying player in a PvP environment, creating a clear power imbalance. That’s P2W. Even if you’re not capable of utilizing that advantage it’s still an advantage.

So you're saying I did P2W but I must first L2P ? Harsh.

In a matchup of comparably skilled players, you would win because you paid money to have more skills and passives available to add power to your character.

P2W doesn’t and has never meant “If I buy it I win against everyone without exception”

katanagirl1 · November 2019

Marcus684 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I don’t have a problem with people buying skyshards for new characters when they got them on previous characters.

However, I don’t think you guys get the point about skyshard achievement when it comes to Cyrodiil. By getting the sub-achievement on 3 separate characters and then buying for the rest, you can obtain an achievement that you did not get on any of them.

It’s an achievement. A simple check mark on a list of pointless tasks to do for a false sense of accomplishment. I literally could not care less if someone gets this achievement by buying it

Perhaps you don’t know how long it takes to get those 4 skyshards from behind the gates of 2 opposing factions

I know exactly how long it can take to get them. I’ve done it on probably 6 of my 14 characters, but I still couldn’t care less if someone else buys it. It has exactly zero impact on my life if someone gets something easier that I got it, and I think the world would be a much better place if more people felt the same way.

Well, I did that on my main character, which is a PvE stamblade. That was a huge deal for me. Thanks for dismissing it completely since you don’t care.

barney2525 · November 2019

RottingAlien wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

RottingAlien wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

RottingAlien wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

I hope they open this up to purchasing fully leveled character upgrades. If I don't want to level a character, that's my prerogative. This does not affect anyone else.

This is not P2W at all, skyshards don't affect anyone else. Start selling vMA weapons in the crown store and we'll have an issue.

Oh god please no.
And yes, it might affect someone else if we're talking pvp.

How does me getting skyshards affect a single other player? It's literally the same as mount upgrades. There are absolutely no circumstances in which buying skyshards affects another players game play.

Ok i'll try. So, power levelers used to have a "problem". When you'd try to power level an alt character you would start missing out on skill points. Which is not necessarily a bad thing! It makes you spend more time customizing it, learning it, making the right choices and thinking about what you really want to do with it instead of just creating alts just for the sake of it.
Now, The example to your question may be more prominent in below 50 battlegrounds/pvp, where you can have all the skyshards in a fresh character, let's say, level 40. You can bet you will have an advantage in this situation. This is just one way how it can impact another player directly. Most examples would be PvP. In PvE, everyone is on the same team, nobody cares.

Also, just to make sure you got it right, I wouldn't mind if you could buy the skyshards achiements with gold. Or having both options like you have with so many other things. The fact that crowns will be the only method its what makes me thing about the future of these kind of things in ESO.

But regardless of it I'm level 10 or level 49, I can just as easily run around and collect skyshards, no? I still don't see any issue here. It's not like you'll be level 30 with every skill line at 50 and full leveled skills. From what it sounds like to me, you just have an issue with having to spend money to get these. ZOS is a business still, you may disagree with the fact that it's purchased using crowns, but that doesn't necessarily make it pay-to-win. That said, I'd like to see it available through gold as well.

No, by having to look for skyshards, you will be force to level up because you are discovering new places, or have to kill npcs etc etc. With this system, you can have plenty of skyshards before leveling up. And you will never run out of skill points in the process wich you would if you were leveling and gathering skill points in the conventional way.
And again, no. Fortunately, I can buy plenty of crowns, i have eso + and have all expansions and some dlcs. But also fortunately I don't think only about myself, but also in other people who aren't able to buy crowns as easily or, most important i care about the heatlth state of the game. Wich you can be sure will decline if this becomes a norm.

Somewhat true - Assuming one character has met the prerequisite.

Specifically - One character has to actually DO the work. One character has to get the skyshard achievement for every zone you want to purchase skyshards. I notice there is even a Wailing Prison skyshard achievement now.

Spending crowns for skill points is a concern. Buying skill points so you can access passives immediately does have a distinct benefit. However, after seeing the cost tied to the purchase of skyshards, and the fact that you would be paying to do this on each character you made - Hey, then IMHO - if thats where you want to throw your money away, you are free to make that choice. The benefit is not going to be all that dramatic in actual PvE or PvP.

SeaGtGruff · November 2019

I don't understand what the big deal about 4 skyshards is. That's only 1 and 1/3 Skill Points. How is that going to make a big enough difference to matter?

agegarton · November 2019

Contaminate wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

1. Got all sky shards on my main.
2. Bought some zones on an alt to give me more skill points.
3. Expected to be winning a lot more as a result of the many P2W threads.......but
4. Am winning as much as I was before.
5. Have concluded that buying sky shards for skill points is NOT P2W.

You are able to unlock more skills and passives at low levels than a comparable non-paying player in a PvP environment, creating a clear power imbalance. That’s P2W. Even if you’re not capable of utilizing that advantage it’s still an advantage.

So you're saying I did P2W but I must first L2P ? Harsh.

In a matchup of comparably skilled players, you would win because you paid money to have more skills and passives available to add power to your character.

P2W doesn’t and has never meant “If I buy it I win against everyone without exception”

1. I think you might have missed the joke.
2. In a game where a single passive, or skill, or even sack full of skills and passives means very little next to the incredible player skill curve, it’s very hard to envisage a scenario where two genuinely equally skilled players will ever fight, let alone where they will fight and one will win because he/she has an extra passive that he/she bought. Skyshard purchases being a “P2W” advantage is such a theoretical concept that it really isn’t worth the angst.
3. You made me write some serious stuff and I’m not grateful.

Huyen · November 2019

bharathitman wrote: »

RottingAlien wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

I Love it. As a dad and full time worker i take any timesaver i can get so i have more time raiding when i actually can play

@ErMurazor What do you love if you don't mind me asking? Is it the buying with crowns part or the suggestion of buying with gold? Do you actually agree with shortcuts paid with real money or are you talking about in-game currency?

This question is so leading. You are implying that he is doing something negative by buying those skyshards with real money

I havent bought skyshards, and I never will. I dont mind to gather them on my own in the zones. Because I have to run the content anyway.

katanagirl1 · November 2019

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I don't understand what the big deal about 4 skyshards is. That's only 1 and 1/3 Skill Points. How is that going to make a big enough difference to matter?

That’s not the point. The point is that they are very hard to get, a lot of PvP and a lot of luck are involved as far as timing. They are needed to get the Cyrodill skyshard achievement and usually are the ones that keep people from getting it.

I guess if you don’t care for achievements then it doesn’t matter, but lots of players do.

starkerealm · November 2019

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I don’t have a problem with people buying skyshards for new characters when they got them on previous characters.

However, I don’t think you guys get the point about skyshard achievement when it comes to Cyrodiil. By getting the sub-achievement on 3 separate characters and then buying for the rest, you can obtain an achievement that you did not get on any of them.

It’s an achievement. A simple check mark on a list of pointless tasks to do for a false sense of accomplishment. I literally could not care less if someone gets this achievement by buying it

Perhaps you don’t know how long it takes to get those 4 skyshards from behind the gates of 2 opposing factions

I know exactly how long it can take to get them. I’ve done it on probably 6 of my 14 characters, but I still couldn’t care less if someone else buys it. It has exactly zero impact on my life if someone gets something easier that I got it, and I think the world would be a much better place if more people felt the same way.

Well, I did that on my main character, which is a PvE stamblade. That was a huge deal for me. Thanks for dismissing it completely since you don’t care.

Stamblade is one of the easier ones to do, because of cloak. You will be (briefly) detected, but getting through isn't too much of an issue. StamSorcs used to be the ones that were really painful to obtain them solo.

My first complete set was on my stamblade. Getting those shards solo is no joke. Congrats.

starkerealm · November 2019

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I don't understand what the big deal about 4 skyshards is. That's only 1 and 1/3 Skill Points. How is that going to make a big enough difference to matter?

Those four skyshards are extremely difficult to obtain legitimately. Collecting them is a serious accomplishment, and gates a dye that... honestly, doesn't look that great. The critical thing is, Tamriel Skyshard Hunter used to be a fairly prestigious achievement, and now, you can buy your way around the most challenging component of it.

SeaGtGruff · November 2019

I finally got the achievements on my main earlier this year, after a few years of playing the game, so I'm familiar with how difficult it can be and how long it can take. But I probably could have gotten them a lot sooner if I'd cared to, because I hadn't bothered to finish getting all of the skyshards from the other zones, either.

Once I decided to finally get them out of the way, getting the four alliance-locked skyshards was just a matter of waiting until the gates had been opened by other members of my alliance-- or by the third alliance. And that had happened numerous times over the years, except I was always more intent on doing something else-- using a treasure map, completing a PvE quest, or completing an AvA mission.

Once I'd decided to finally worry about getting all of the Cyrodiil skyshards, I was fully prepared to go racing to whichever gate had been opened, ride quickly through the open gate on horseback, dismount and go into sneak mode once I'd gotten through the gate, and then sneak to the skyshard. It wasn't a chore at all; it was fun.

Of course, I probably would have thought it was a chore if I'd had to open the gates myself, but it was always fun whenever I helped other players in my alliance take a fort, and opening the gates is necessary if an alliance is trying to capture the Elder Scrolls, so it's not like no one in your alliance would be interested in opening the gates.

As for purchasing any skyshards or skill lines with crowns, I have no interest in doing that, because I won't pay real money for something I can get for free. If or when I decide to worry about collecting all of the skyshards on any other characters, I'll be doing it the old-fashioned way, without cutting any corners, because I don't care how long it takes.

But even though I won't be making use of these Crown Store offerings, I'm not going to try to stand in the way of anyone else who might want to do so.

starkerealm · November 2019

Yeah, @SeaGtGruff, I wouldn't have collected temple shards on alts if it wasn't enjoyable. I'm not talking about it being a chore, simply that it significantly more challenging than the other base game shards.

SeaGtGruff · November 2019

Right, and I'm just saying what's the big deal about players being able to buy them if they've already collected them on other characters.

I see it as somewhat akin to buying skill training in Morrowind and Oblivion. (I don't remember if Skyrim has skill trainers, and I've never played Daggerfall, so I don't know if it has skill trainers.)

Sure, it's different, because skill training in TES3 and TES4 doesn't cost real money, plus you don't have to level up a skill the hard way on another character before being able to pay gold to NPC trainers to speed level that particular skill.

But the overall concept is kind of similar, in that you're paying to skip ahead and speed up your character's development.

The fact that you have to pay with real money to do it in ESO just means (IMHO) that anyone who opts to do it is a chump, or else has a lot more disposable income to pump into this game than I myself am willing to spend on it.

starkerealm · November 2019

You hit on the big difference between this and the single player games (yes, TES5 had training, but it was far less important because of how the leveling system worked), training in those was actually part of the world.

In Morrowind, your character was supposed to be a secret operative for the Emperor, but they were a nobody released from prison, so you needed extensive training to do your job. That was placed, entirely, in the player's hands. Training was a major component for how you split your resources, and it was a part of the world. Your character was going out and finding someone to train you in how to sneak better, or how to use your blade more effectively.

In ESO that's gone on many fronts. Your skill advancement is tied to an abstract store you open that you advance through currency you cannot even obtain in game. It's not part of the world, it's just, "poof, here."

Even the Skyshards themselves have some lore explanation. Running around, pulling a charge off of them, there is an explanation for how they're part of the world.

The purchased skill lines are just, "pay cash, receive bacon."

If there was an in game option, like voucher furnishings you could interact with, that'd be one thing. But, these are just, *poof* you're a master of all the Fighter's Guild's techniques without explanation.

So, in contrast to the single player games, yeah, it bugs me. Though I would say, "go back and take a stab at Skyrim; it's not bad."

EDIT: Wait, Daggerfall, not Skyrim. D'oh. Okay, on the subject of Daggerfall... yeah, that game is kinda a mess. You can play it for free if you want to try it out, it's on Bethesda's site. But, that one is, "interesting," and I'd have a hard time recommending it.

barney2525 · November 2019

katanagirl1 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I don't understand what the big deal about 4 skyshards is. That's only 1 and 1/3 Skill Points. How is that going to make a big enough difference to matter?

That’s not the point. The point is that they are very hard to get, a lot of PvP and a lot of luck are involved as far as timing. They are needed to get the Cyrodill skyshard achievement and usually are the ones that keep people from getting it.

I guess if you don’t care for achievements then it doesn’t matter, but lots of players do.

Console or PC? If its PC you got a map addon that tells you exactly where every skyshard is.
If its Console then you go online, google it, and make your own map so you know where to go.

Then you just pop in to Cyradil at different times, different days and wait for Your side to be whomping up on everyone else. And you go get your skyshards at those times when it is fast and safe.

So, Cyradil shards are hard to get. Fine. Ever consider doing them LAST??? I guarantee that if you collect all the Easy skyshards from all the zones first, you will have more skill points than you know what to do with.

SeaGtGruff · November 2019

@starkerealm, I too don't particularly care for the way skyshard achievements and skill lines are being sold for actual money, as opposed to being incorporated into the game for purchase with in-game gold. That's all the more reason why I don't plan on ever taking advantage of them.

But even if they were obtainable with in-game gold, I still wouldn't take advantage of them, just as I prefer to level up each of my skills and attributes the long, hard way in the other ES games rather than buying skill training from NPCs. (But I still do the quests in Oblivion related to the master trainers; I just never take them up on their training.)

I've never played Daggerfall, although I have the free installation package from Bethesda downloaded on my computer from a couple of years ago; I just haven't installed it yet, mainly because I bought ESO at about the same time, and for the last couple of years I've been playing ESO so much-- with occasional time off to work on a leisurely replay of Oblivion-- that I haven't had time to get sucked into Daggerfall.

I have both Daggerfall and Arena downloaded to my DropBox, and I installed Arena and DOSBox in my DropBox folder so I can move from desktop to laptop and continue playing Arena the way I can with Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim in Steam. In fact, I set up a script for launching Arena in Steam. But my laptop died (or I accidentally broke it), and later my desktop's hard drive crashed, so I need to get Arena set up again in Steam on my new computer. I'll most likely install Daggerfall at the same time, but there's no rush as long as most of my time is still being sucked up by ESO.

When I first grabbed Arena many years ago when Bethesda made it available for free, I couldn't even figure out how to play it and get out of the Imperial Dungeons-- most likely a classic case of RTFM, since IIRC my problem was not understanding how to use the mouse to swing my weapon. When I decided to revisit Arena several years later and learned how to play it, I found it to be great fun. And finally being able to play through Arena was what got me interested in downloading Daggerfall, buying the "complete" editions of Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim Special Edition on Steam, and also buying ESO. So I expect that I'll enjoy Daggerfall a lot once I do start playing it.

I'm sitting on the fence about buying Battlespire and Redguard from GOG.com to complete my ES collection-- aside from the old TES Travels cell phone games, which I'll never be able to play unless someone makes an emulator for the specific mobile operating system they were written for, not that the games themselves can even be purchased anymore.

Anyway, if other players want to spend real money on buying skyshard achievements and skill lines, that's their problem.

SeaGtGruff · November 2019

@barney2525, I put off collecting all of the skyshards for a long time, as well as doing other content like delves. Then earlier this year I decided to finally go back through all the zones in order, collecting any remaining skyshards and doing any delves or quests I'd skipped. As a direct result of that, I now have (the last time I looked) something like 46 Skill Points to spend, and that's after I spent some of them on several Crafting passives that I'd previously passed over in favor of more useful active and passive skills. I'm in no hurry to spend those 46 or so Skill Points until I can figure out exactly what to spend them on for the best results.

Collecting the Cyrodiil and Imperial City skyshards was fun. I've been missing the Imperial City Sewers (by Vivec, how I never thought I'd ever say anything like that!), so I'll probably head back there sometime soon. I still have most of the bosses to kill in enemy territory.

starkerealm · November 2019

@SeaGtGruff, there's elements of Daggerfall I really love. It's got some really neat flourishes. It's got my favorite implementation of Vampires, for example. Also the part where you can control how you wear your cloak is really cool, even if it doesn't matter beyond the paper doll.

That said, Daggerfall's UI is an absolute mess. I still remember a reviewer describing the game as, "either the game's controls and UI drive you into a rage and cause you to quit the game and never look back, or the controls drive you into a rage but you keep playing anyway."

Personally, I was really hoping that the Skyshards would be a voucher furnishing, like the storage chests. So we could place maps in our houses, and then sync our alts to them if we chose. I get why they went with the solution they picked, but it is disappointing.

Kinda wish we had something similar with motifs, furnishing and provisioning recipes, but still.

lagrue · November 2019

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

RottingAlien wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

I hope they open this up to purchasing fully leveled character upgrades. If I don't want to level a character, that's my prerogative. This does not affect anyone else.

This is not P2W at all, skyshards don't affect anyone else. Start selling vMA weapons in the crown store and we'll have an issue.

Oh god please no.
And yes, it might affect someone else if we're talking pvp.

How does me getting skyshards affect a single other player? It's literally the same as mount upgrades. There are absolutely no circumstances in which buying skyshards affects another players game play.

The only scenario I could see is someone who plays in Kyne.

I kind of like that everyone is on even ground and nobody has skill points.

I’d like them to tweak it where characters have to be level 50 before they can do this process.

But they can't even unlock the skills without leveling the lines and reaching 50 anyway? Skills are progress gated.

RD065 · February 2020

I like gathering Skyshards. And by gathering them you level up weapons and skill lines by getting them, as well as you come across wayshines, and new areas etc..

I never felt I was ever short of skill points even at the lower levels. There is so many to get.

Veinblood1965 · February 2020

It's no different than the daily rewards on the days when you can buy something with crowns.

MEBengalsFan2001 · February 2020

agegarton wrote: »

1. Got all sky shards on my main.
2. Bought some zones on an alt to give me more skill points.
3. Expected to be winning a lot more as a result of the many P2W threads.......but
4. Am winning as much as I was before.
5. Have concluded that buying sky shards for skill points is NOT P2W.

Especially since you already farmed them on the main.

It is a pay to advance model that allowed you to improve alts, making it a convenience for you as a consumer. This probably helped you play more the way you want to as you are not grinding out looking for some skyshards.