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Forum profiles should show the classes & levels of each user's toons
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Orjix✭✭✭✭yeah, I'd be down. it would kind of be nice to be able to see what people play/ show off your toon. right now there is no real good way to do that (sigs don't count, they don't show on mobile). Id like a little info about me under my name. or a way to link your toon in a conversation in situation X I have class Y (which you could click on to see level, PvP rank, and play time), so I think Z. that way you wouldn't *** people off who don't want their toons on display, and could help add a bit of legitimacy to an argument.1 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no templars, no?
Completely irrelevant.
The guy with no Templars could have mained the class for four years and had a roster full of them, and could be very well versed in their strengths and weaknesses, but simply deleted all of them from his roster to make room for new characters.
You are not entitled to access into someone else's account, even if it is just on a read-only basis. Like it was stated above, it's none of your business, unless that player chooses to share that info with you.
ETA: And our forum accounts are not tied to our game accounts. Not sure where you got that from, but it's not true.
Edited by bearbelly on November 11, 2019 10:48PM5 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no templars, no?
Completely irrelevant.
The guy with no Templars could have mained the class for four years and had a roster full of them, and could be very well versed in their strengths and weaknesses, but simply deleted all of them from his roster to make room for new characters.
You are not entitled to access into someone else's account, even if it is just on a read-only basis. Like it was stated above, it's none of your business, unless that player chooses to share that info with you.
ETA: And our forum accounts are not tied to our game accounts. Not sure where you got that from, but it's not true.
1. Not irrelevant.
2. I suppose that's possible, however I suspect your [incredibly specific & unlikely] hypothetical scenario is the exception rather than the rule.
3. Other MMOs do it without issue. It's not as if a list of your toons is some kind of obscene privacy risk — you make it sound akin to getting doxxed.
4. Really? So anyone can get an ESO forum account — even people without an ESO account? Can you just pick any forum name then? I didn't get that option, mine was automatically my in-game @ & it is unchangeable. Is that not the case for everyone?2 -
ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no templars, no?
Completely irrelevant.
The guy with no Templars could have mained the class for four years and had a roster full of them, and could be very well versed in their strengths and weaknesses, but simply deleted all of them from his roster to make room for new characters.
You are not entitled to access into someone else's account, even if it is just on a read-only basis. Like it was stated above, it's none of your business, unless that player chooses to share that info with you.
ETA: And our forum accounts are not tied to our game accounts. Not sure where you got that from, but it's not true.
1. Not irrelevant.
2. I suppose that's possible, however I suspect your [incredibly specific & unlikely] hypothetical scenario is the exception rather than the rule.
3. Other MMOs do it without issue. It's not as if a list of your toons is some kind of obscene privacy risk — you make it sound akin to getting doxxed.
4. Really? So anyone can get an ESO forum account — even people without an ESO account? Can you just pick any forum name then? I didn't get that option, mine was automatically my in-game @ & it is unchangeable. Is that not the case for everyone?
you can in fact pick any forum account name.8 -
Lauranae✭✭✭✭✭My name account in game are not my forum name. I use the forum for my two accounts with only one forum name.
On a side not i have 25 characters, i delete a lot and start anew, i loved some class and hated others, so anyway your idea would in my case be totally wrong and outdated
And it would be the open door to harassment by someEdited by Lauranae on November 11, 2019 11:08PMMy most recent charactersAD - Chjara NB-2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no templars, no?
Completely irrelevant.
The guy with no Templars could have mained the class for four years and had a roster full of them, and could be very well versed in their strengths and weaknesses, but simply deleted all of them from his roster to make room for new characters.
You are not entitled to access into someone else's account, even if it is just on a read-only basis. Like it was stated above, it's none of your business, unless that player chooses to share that info with you.
ETA: And our forum accounts are not tied to our game accounts. Not sure where you got that from, but it's not true.
1. Not irrelevant.
2. I suppose that's possible, however I suspect your [incredibly specific & unlikely] hypothetical scenario is the exception rather than the rule.
3. Other MMOs do it without issue. It's not as if a list of your toons is some kind of obscene privacy risk — you make it sound akin to getting doxxed.
4. Really? So anyone can get an ESO forum account — even people without an ESO account? Can you just pick any forum name then? I didn't get that option, mine was automatically my in-game @ & it is unchangeable. Is that not the case for everyone?
I think the main issue here and why this thread got derailed is due to your reasoning why this should be implemented. If you had suggested an optional, opt in system that allowed players to show off their characters to forum goers, it would have met with much more positive feedback. The assumption that this would be mandatory and the suggestion that you would be able to determine the relative usefulness of the forum feedback of a player based on what they play has set up the situation we have where you are defending your points constantly without much agreement with your original idea.
It's not necessarily a bad idea to implement, but the reasoning you provide for wanting it added as well as the non optional nature make it hard for a majority to get behind.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Can't say I see the point. Its usually not hard to tell who does and who doesn't have experience with the class/content in question, especially not in nerf threads. More likely, this feature would let more threads devolve into "Well, of course you don't want sorc nerfed, you main a sorc" type infighting.
Personally, I tend not to ask for nerfs unless its an obvious and wide-reaching problem that effects a lot of players (pre-nerf Earthgore and Sloads are about the only two I remember wanting nerfed because they were way overtuned in PVP). If its just me, I assume its a learn2play issue on my part and I'm usually right about that
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✭✭Why do you need to know this though? The nerf threads you refer to are obviously people from other classes that want you nerfed so why would you need proof of this?0 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no templars, no?
Completely irrelevant.
The guy with no Templars could have mained the class for four years and had a roster full of them, and could be very well versed in their strengths and weaknesses, but simply deleted all of them from his roster to make room for new characters.
You are not entitled to access into someone else's account, even if it is just on a read-only basis. Like it was stated above, it's none of your business, unless that player chooses to share that info with you.
ETA: And our forum accounts are not tied to our game accounts. Not sure where you got that from, but it's not true.
1. Not irrelevant.
2. I suppose that's possible, however I suspect your [incredibly specific & unlikely] hypothetical scenario is the exception rather than the rule.
3. Other MMOs do it without issue. It's not as if a list of your toons is some kind of obscene privacy risk — you make it sound akin to getting doxxed.
4. Really? So anyone can get an ESO forum account — even people without an ESO account? Can you just pick any forum name then? I didn't get that option, mine was automatically my in-game @ & it is unchangeable. Is that not the case for everyone?
It's irrelevant because people delete characters from their rosters all the time. It definitely is not an unlikely occurrence.
As such, the snapshot that you would see is not a history of every character they have ever played.
Blizzard's former forums had the feature you are asking for. They don't anymore. I don't know if it just became too much for them to maintain (forum accounts were linked to game accounts there), or if they decided to remove the feature because, true to human nature, especially on the internet, people used it to harass their fellow players. Which would surely happen here, as well, because people just can't help but be toxic to each other if given the opportunity to behave that way.
And, yes, you can choose any [appropriate] forum name. It doesn't have to be the same as your in-game account name.
I have two game accounts, and neither of those usernames is the same as my forum username.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well at least one forum-goer is transparent (that’s me) ... if you just take a look at my signature.
Levels aren’t displayed, tho, but most of my characters are at the cap.1 -
mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭So if a player has a level 50/CP 810 toon the assumption would be what? They know what they're doing and should be respected as an expert? LARF. You can level a character in a week these days. Your level and CP really means very little when it comes to how well you play your character or know your class. I have seen some absolutely horrid players driving max level tunes, and likewise have seen lower level toons melting faces.
NERF threads are opinion pieces. For every person (max level or not) that gripes about a nerf there's another that agrees with it (NERF the poop out of DKs for all I care. LOL).Edited by mayasunrising on November 11, 2019 11:45PM"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
“There’s a difference between wanting to be looked at and wanting to be seen." ♥ Amanda Palmer
“A game is an opportunity to focus our energy, with relentless optimism, at something we’re good at (or getting better at) and enjoy. In other words, gameplay is the direct emotional opposite of depression.” ♥ Jane McGonigal
“They'll tell you you're too loud, that you need to wait your turn and ask the right people for permission. Do it anyway." ♥ Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez1 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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Not sure how you could get that from my OP (especially after the edit I made nearly 2 hrs before you decided to chime in) but feel free to continue with your wildly inaccurate straw man argument — that seems to be par for the course for this thread.mayasunrising wrote: »So if a player has a level 50/CP 810 tune the assumption would be what? They know what they're doing and should be respected as an expert? LARF.
In case you aren't being intellectually dishonest & are instead just slow, here is another post I made clarifying my point, roughly an hour before your comment:
If you still can't figure it out at this point, I don't know what to tell you.Well, this is a much better response than your other posts, but it still ended with a straw man. Please point out where I stated I believe that "character level equates to your game balance knowledge." I neither said nor believe that — I simply think that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of where people are coming from when discussing class balance.
As of right now I only have [significant] experience with NBs & Magsorcs — I have started other classes & have opinions on them, but they aren't nearly as informed, so people should take any theories I might have on templars/DKs/wardens & [especially] necros with a healthy dose of salt.
I know there are a lot of other people that have a similarly limited experience — but instead of admitting it they pretend to play the classes they want destroyed in an effort to bolster their credibility. I just think a bit more transparency would be helpful with this, that's all.
Do I think the number of toons you have & what class they are is the end-all be-all with regards to how much I value your opinion? No, that would be absurd & I'd have to be an idiot to think that way. However, it is one of many variables that I (and I'm sure others) take into account when determining someone's credibility. If I were looking for advice on pet sorcs I'd be infinitely more likely to ask someone with 5 of them fully leveled than someone with a bunch of templars/DKs & nothing else — wouldn't you? Kinda seems like a no-brainer to me.
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mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Well at least one forum-goer is transparent (that’s me) ... if you just take a look at my signature.
Levels aren’t displayed, tho, but most of my characters are at the cap.
That's great, but this doesn't earn a person credibility when it comes to posts regarding classes or skills. Posting characters in signature could just mean an individual likes listing their characters in their signature. I mean, that could just be pure ego. For all we know that person can't make it past overland content without a group. Heck, they could be a narcissist for all we know and they list their characters simply because they think everyone cares because it's - obviously - all about them, duh.
Also...it's not like I'm reading an opinion piece on skills or nerfs thinking, "Hmmm...I wonder if this person would also make a great President. I've been wondering who to vote for. Better vet them! Do they REALLY know what they know? RELEASE YOUR TAX RECORDS AND YOUR CHARACTER CLASSES/LEVELS!" Wait...you're not running for president are you?
The players I respect in game, and those whose builds I might use have proven to me they know what they're doing by showing me, and then me taking their advice an running with it and seeing it works. That they might have told me they have a level 50 CP one bazillion (it could happen unless ZOS does something with the CP system. LOL) khajit monk dragonwardguard sorcermancer is really irrelevant.Edited by mayasunrising on November 11, 2019 11:59PM"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
“There’s a difference between wanting to be looked at and wanting to be seen." ♥ Amanda Palmer
“A game is an opportunity to focus our energy, with relentless optimism, at something we’re good at (or getting better at) and enjoy. In other words, gameplay is the direct emotional opposite of depression.” ♥ Jane McGonigal
“They'll tell you you're too loud, that you need to wait your turn and ask the right people for permission. Do it anyway." ♥ Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭[edit] I'm a bit surprised at the relative hostility this post is receiving. Many seem to think that I proposed that we only consider what class a person plays in determining their credibility. I am unsure where they'd get that from — that isn't what I said at all, and it couldn't be further from the truth. I do, however, think it would be helpful information to have.
It is less hostility and more many of us are pointing out that the idea presented in the OP was not well thought out.
Many of us have come across CP capped players who are very bad. We also know that many players can level up a new character to 50 in mere hours and that short time span is not enough to gain actual knowledge.
So in the end the idea presented does not even provide a slight benefit. The information it provides is fairly meaningless. Further, you have not mentioned anything in this entire thread that actually says otherwise.6 -
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✭✭Well i sort of understand why would you want this.. with all the "i am sorc main but time to nerf sorcs hard" type of topics, if i had to guess.. half of them propably never played a sorc and being exposed about such would be comical gold.
But don`t think ever will happen. Would be different if we always had that, and since here could just make any forum account, like for me i got this name for forum, and then 2 game accounts with different @ name so they are really not that "linked" as would imagine.
Would propably have to show time played on each character instead of level. Max level characters are not good indicators of knowing how to play with them.
For me it would show way too much played time, several characters of all classes. Way too much time spent, like.. a lot. I wonder how much would it be all in all, if also could see time on all deleted characters that lived their time too.
Would not mind if there was some classes + time played quick info visible. But hopefully without character names. I get enough flirts already, thanks.
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Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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Your opinion. (Which you are welcome to, but please don't state it as fact.)...the idea presented in the OP was not well thought out.
While true, exception fallacy.Many of us have come across CP capped players who are very bad. We also know that many players can level up a new character to 50 in mere hours and that short time span is not enough to gain actual knowledge.
This is, again, all your opinion — with which I disagree.So in the end the idea presented does not even provide a slight benefit. The information it provides is fairly meaningless. Further, you have not mentioned anything in this entire thread that actually says otherwise.
Your argument seems to be that having more information about people engaged in debate is a bad thing and provides no benefit to those involved. If that's seriously what you believe, then you have no business telling other people their ideas are poorly thought out.
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✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no templars, no?
Completely irrelevant.
The guy with no Templars could have mained the class for four years and had a roster full of them, and could be very well versed in their strengths and weaknesses, but simply deleted all of them from his roster to make room for new characters.
You are not entitled to access into someone else's account, even if it is just on a read-only basis. Like it was stated above, it's none of your business, unless that player chooses to share that info with you.
ETA: And our forum accounts are not tied to our game accounts. Not sure where you got that from, but it's not true.
4. Really? So anyone can get an ESO forum account — even people without an ESO account? Can you just pick any forum name then? I didn't get that option, mine was automatically my in-game @ & it is unchangeable. Is that not the case for everyone?
My game account and my forum account are different.0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Moonsorrow wrote: »Well i sort of understand why would you want this.. with all the "i am sorc main but time to nerf sorcs hard" type of topics, if i had to guess.. half of them propably never played a sorc and being exposed about such would be comical gold.
But don`t think ever will happen. Would be different if we always had that, and since here could just make any forum account, like for me i got this name for forum, and then 2 game accounts with different @ name so they are really not that "linked" as would imagine.
Would propably have to show time played on each character instead of level. Max level characters are not good indicators of knowing how to play with them.
For me it would show way too much played time, several characters of all classes. Way too much time spent, like.. a lot. I wonder how much would it be all in all, if also could see time on all deleted characters that lived their time too.
Would not mind if there was some classes + time played quick info visible. But hopefully without character names. I get enough flirts already, thanks.
Yes, this is exactly what I meant. And you are correct: play time would be a better metric than level.0 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭I get what you're saying. In practice though it would just provide another means for elitists to practice their elitism. "I have x hours as a stamblade and you only have y hours. My opinion is therefore superior and yours is invalid".
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Not sure how you could get that from my OP (especially after the edit I made nearly 2 hrs before you decided to chime in) but feel free to continue with your wildly inaccurate straw man argument — that seems to be par for the course for this thread.mayasunrising wrote: »So if a player has a level 50/CP 810 tune the assumption would be what? They know what they're doing and should be respected as an expert? LARF.
In case you aren't being intellectually dishonest & are instead just slow, here is another post I made clarifying my point, roughly an hour before your comment:
If you still can't figure it out at this point, I don't know what to tell you.Well, this is a much better response than your other posts, but it still ended with a straw man. Please point out where I stated I believe that "character level equates to your game balance knowledge." I neither said nor believe that — I simply think that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of where people are coming from when discussing class balance.
As of right now I only have [significant] experience with NBs & Magsorcs — I have started other classes & have opinions on them, but they aren't nearly as informed, so people should take any theories I might have on templars/DKs/wardens & [especially] necros with a healthy dose of salt.
I know there are a lot of other people that have a similarly limited experience — but instead of admitting it they pretend to play the classes they want destroyed in an effort to bolster their credibility. I just think a bit more transparency would be helpful with this, that's all.
Do I think the number of toons you have & what class they are is the end-all be-all with regards to how much I value your opinion? No, that would be absurd & I'd have to be an idiot to think that way. However, it is one of many variables that I (and I'm sure others) take into account when determining someone's credibility. If I were looking for advice on pet sorcs I'd be infinitely more likely to ask someone with 5 of them fully leveled than someone with a bunch of templars/DKs & nothing else — wouldn't you? Kinda seems like a no-brainer to me.
Regards
Wow. Rude much?
I don't see anything - even in your further responses - that isn't a rehash of what you originally said; that by seeing the characters, classes, and levels of other players it would offer some insight into where a person's coming from when commenting. My OPINION is that it wouldn't offer insight any more than you saying you have "[significant] experience with NBs & Magsorcs" means you're an actual expert in anyone's mind but your own, or that your opinions on nerfs are valid or have worth.
Returning focus; My opinion on your OP is that other players have no right to look at my account information, and your idea is not a good one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
“There’s a difference between wanting to be looked at and wanting to be seen." ♥ Amanda Palmer
“A game is an opportunity to focus our energy, with relentless optimism, at something we’re good at (or getting better at) and enjoy. In other words, gameplay is the direct emotional opposite of depression.” ♥ Jane McGonigal
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Your opinion. (Which you are welcome to, but please don't state it as fact.)...the idea presented in the OP was not well thought out.
While true, exception fallacy.Many of us have come across CP capped players who are very bad. We also know that many players can level up a new character to 50 in mere hours and that short time span is not enough to gain actual knowledge.
This is, again, all your opinion — with which I disagree.So in the end the idea presented does not even provide a slight benefit. The information it provides is fairly meaningless. Further, you have not mentioned anything in this entire thread that actually says otherwise.
Your argument seems to be that having more information about people engaged in debate is a bad thing and provides no benefit to those involved. If that's seriously what you believe, then you have no business telling other people their ideas are poorly thought out.
You can disagree all you wish. You can label comments a fallacy because that is more convenient for the idea. But the fact remains the idea proposed in the OP provides near worthless information due to the ease of leveling up a character.
Pretty much like CP indicates player skill, having a class to max level does not demonstrate the person has much knowledge of that character. That is a well known fact and I will say that at least in the OP you state nothing to suggest otherwise. Further, while I have not read each and every one of your posts I have not seen comment from you that actually presents an idea that would make the suggestion worthwhile.
So until you present that information you can pretty much expect us to point out that the information provided by the suggested you made is pretty much without value. Not that we have anything to worry about as pretty sure Zos sees the lack of value in it. Not worth their effort even if it was easy for them to do.6 -
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✭✭I get what you're saying. In practice though it would just provide another means for elitists to practice their elitism. "I have x hours as a stamblade and you only have y hours. My opinion is therefore superior and yours is invalid".
It would create a new meta of leaving character to afk in game while you sleep irl, just so one can dare to post on forums after few months of intensive "/played" grinding.
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I'm a bit tired of having to defend myself against all the straw men (to which you contributed) & your comment came across as condescending — I felt like I responded in kind.mayasunrising wrote: »Wow. Rude much?
1. OK.I don't see anything - even in your further responses - that isn't a rehash of what you originally said; that by seeing the characters, classes, and levels of other players it would offer some insight into where a person's coming from when commenting. My OPINION is that it wouldn't offer insight any more than you saying you have "[significant] experience with NBs & Magsorcs" means you're an actual expert in anyone's mind but your own, or that your opinions on nerfs are valid or have worth.
2. Where did I say I am even an expert in my mind? I am still quite new to the game & learning — and I would be the first to admit it.
When I said "as of right now I only have [significant] experience with NBs & Magsorcs..." I meant that I have some experience with most classes (except necros) but aside from NBs & Sorcs it is insignificant. I made no allusion to being an expert of any kind, nor would I. Reread that line again in that context.
OK.Returning focus; My opinion on your OP is that other players have no right to look at my account information, and your idea is not a good one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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✭✭I feel like there should be some transparency with regard to what classes each forum user plays. Reading all the "nerf [insert class that kills you a lot]" posts, it's pretty apparent that many people have no clue how classes other than their own favorite actually even work. I think it would be a useful check to be able to see exactly what experience (if any) they have playing the class that they want to destroy.
I don't know the logistics of implementing such a feature, but since our ESO accounts are tied to our forum accounts I can't imagine it being that difficult.
[edit] I'm a bit surprised at the relative hostility this post is receiving. Many seem to think that I proposed that we only consider what class a person plays in determining their credibility. I am unsure where they'd get that from — that isn't what I said at all, and it couldn't be further from the truth. I do, however, think it would be helpful information to have.
Sure I've played all classes, am 1554 CP, have been Empress but only General in AvA, (but then again I've played on different toons), been playing since beta, paid ESO+ since 2014.
What's yours?
[Edit, also How do I change My Forum Name?] Edited by Idinuse on November 12, 2019 1:38AMSed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?0 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Actually, our forum accounts aren’t linked to our game accounts (not that I’m aware of anyway) as each has to be created separately. And as others have pointed out, having a class of a certain level doesn’t mean you’ve played it, much less have any idea how it works. And it certainly isn’t anyone’s business how many hours one has played any class (and then wouldn’t you want to know whether that time was spent in endgame PvE or PvP or doing something else entirely like decorating?).
I too find nerf threads annoying, but surely ZOS looks more at what actually happens in game and not nerf threads. As has been pointed out before, most players aren’t on the forum and it’s only a minority of those who are saying to nerf this or that so it really isn’t informative as to how the class is doing, what players want, etc., etc. on the other hand, if someone makes a well-reasoned point about the game, a class, or other mechanic, it should be judged on its own merits.
Clearly this is a stealth nerf CP thread so that each toon must pull their full weight in the CP system with no account wide bonuses or cary over to other toons. Not your comment, but the OP.I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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1. Agreed, as can you.You can disagree all you wish. You can label comments a fallacy because that is more convenient for the idea. But the fact remains the idea proposed in the OP provides near worthless information due to the ease of leveling up a character.
2. I didn't label your argument a fallacy because it was "more convenient for the idea," I pointed it out because a logical fallacy is not an argument at all.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3. Worthless in your opinion. Personally, I feel like I could derive at least some value from it.
Correct, but it does indicate that the person has actually played the class — and contrary to all the "possible exceptions" you could come up with, [most] people don't go through the tedium of fully leveling a toon to 50 just to stop playing it. Literally anyone that has a level 50 Necro has a much better understanding of the class than I, because I have never played a necro. Simple, right?Pretty much like CP indicates player skill, having a class to max level does not demonstrate the person has much knowledge of that character. That is a well known fact and I will say that at least in the OP you state nothing to suggest otherwise. Further, while I have not read each and every one of your posts I have not seen comment from you that actually presents an idea that would make the suggestion worthwhile.
OK.So until you present that information you can pretty much expect us to point out that the information provided by the suggested you made is pretty much without value. Not that we have anything to worry about as pretty sure Zos sees the lack of value in it. Not worth their effort even if it was easy for them to do.Edited by Langeston on November 12, 2019 1:42AM0 -
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✭I get that the need threads can be annoying, but I'm not sure this would be the right approach.
As others have stated showing of a toon with cp level doesn't show others if that player can play the class or not. And showing off my play time on each toon? I find that too... Ehm...
I just don't see how it should concern others what I play or how long I played a toon. Again, the nerf threads are annoying but everyone can voice their opinion about things and not just the ones who play a certain class etc. If you agree with that opinion of that person is then totally up to you.
Also just thinking about how the dungeon finder worked out so far... Don't give zos ideas of how the break the forums now with a new system.
Let's just say agree to disagree. I personally don't want such a system as I can see other abuse it or zos just breaking it... But I see where you coming from.
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✭✭✭✭✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no templars, no?
Completely irrelevant.
The guy with no Templars could have mained the class for four years and had a roster full of them, and could be very well versed in their strengths and weaknesses, but simply deleted all of them from his roster to make room for new characters.
You are not entitled to access into someone else's account, even if it is just on a read-only basis. Like it was stated above, it's none of your business, unless that player chooses to share that info with you.
ETA: And our forum accounts are not tied to our game accounts. Not sure where you got that from, but it's not true.
1. Not irrelevant.
2. I suppose that's possible, however I suspect your [incredibly specific & unlikely] hypothetical scenario is the exception rather than the rule.
3. Other MMOs do it without issue. It's not as if a list of your toons is some kind of obscene privacy risk — you make it sound akin to getting doxxed.
4. Really? So anyone can get an ESO forum account — even people without an ESO account? Can you just pick any forum name then? I didn't get that option, mine was automatically my in-game @ & it is unchangeable. Is that not the case for everyone?
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You can indeed pick any name for your forum account. The current post for handling name changes is here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/109013/how-do-i-change-username-on-forums/
Simply request your desired name!
For myself, my forum account is somewhat superficially connected to my ESO Account in that my forum username is that of my main character: Varanis Arano. When Customer Support set up the account for me so I could make a bug report, I could request the name I wanted. Otherwise, its not related to my in-game account in a way that's available for other players to check out. If I'd chosen a name not related to my account nor characters, no one would know except ZOS.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Forum profiles should show the classes & levels of each user's toons
No, it should not.
its good as it is right now allowing people to comment on this forum as normal instead of having an inspection and investigation of their characters.
we are just normal people playing a game and commenting on things we think about that game on it's forum, there is zero reason to need to show papers and personal inspection simply to be able to make comments.4
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