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Forum profiles should show the classes & levels of each user's toons
Langeston
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I feel like there should be some transparency with regard to what classes each forum user plays. Reading all the "nerf [insert class that kills you a lot]" posts, it's pretty apparent that many people have no clue how classes other than their own favorite actually even work. I think it would be a useful check to be able to see exactly what experience (if any) they have playing the class that they want to destroy.
I don't know the logistics of implementing such a feature, but since our ESO accounts are tied to our forum accounts I can't imagine it being that difficult.
[edit] I'm a bit surprised at the relative hostility this post is receiving. Many seem to think that I proposed that we only consider what class a person plays in determining their credibility. I am unsure where they'd get that from — that isn't what I said at all, and it couldn't be further from the truth. I do, however, think it would be helpful information to have.
Edited by Langeston on November 11, 2019 9:46PM I don't know the logistics of implementing such a feature, but since our ESO accounts are tied to our forum accounts I can't imagine it being that difficult.
[edit] I'm a bit surprised at the relative hostility this post is receiving. Many seem to think that I proposed that we only consider what class a person plays in determining their credibility. I am unsure where they'd get that from — that isn't what I said at all, and it couldn't be further from the truth. I do, however, think it would be helpful information to have.
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Shantu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.19 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.4 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.16 -
Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Some people put it in their signature. I used too before it got ridiculous (😉) as have 17 characters iirc. Signature was larger than some of my posts!
And then if on mobile version, don’t see sigs anyway.....4 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no templars, no?Edited by Langeston on November 12, 2019 4:43AM1 -
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✭No. I fundamentally believes you should judge a person’s arguments based on facts, evidence and reasoning instead of what they’ve done.16 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Planetside 2 has a website that displays every player's in-game rank and lifetime stats. I wouldnt mind if our forum profile had a list of our characters. Ya'll could check out mah cats and lizards.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.9 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.
It's not particularly difficult to figure out now. My suggestion is simply a QoL upgrade.
As far as [vocal] customers having no bearing on the decisions ZOS makes, do you seriously believe that?
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✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »No. I fundamentally believes you should judge a person’s arguments based on facts, evidence and reasoning instead of what they’ve done.
This here is how you should judge someone. Basing your opinion on someone on their playtime in a specific role is broken in so many ways it's hard to describe.
1800 hours playtime... in housing
cp 1400 through battlegrounds
brand new player powerleveled and being carried through vet content
These things all potentially happen. I'm not saying they are bad things, but I'm not likely to give much thought to endgame trial advice from someone that just happens to have a high level character but never actually runs them in vet trials at all.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Actually, our forum accounts aren’t linked to our game accounts (not that I’m aware of anyway) as each has to be created separately. And as others have pointed out, having a class of a certain level doesn’t mean you’ve played it, much less have any idea how it works. And it certainly isn’t anyone’s business how many hours one has played any class (and then wouldn’t you want to know whether that time was spent in endgame PvE or PvP or doing something else entirely like decorating?).
I too find nerf threads annoying, but surely ZOS looks more at what actually happens in game and not nerf threads. As has been pointed out before, most players aren’t on the forum and it’s only a minority of those who are saying to nerf this or that so it really isn’t informative as to how the class is doing, what players want, etc., etc. on the other hand, if someone makes a well-reasoned point about the game, a class, or other mechanic, it should be judged on its own merits.2 -
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✭I think we should know what everyone eats for lunch and how much they spend on the food. That says a lot about someone.6 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I play all classes. I have 12, a magicka and stamina version of every class. No tank, no healer. Tried them both, but just didn't enjoy them.
What is that supposed to prove?
Players talk about thier favorite class being weak to angle for buffs and talk about something that kills them because they can't understand how to adjust so it doesn't, and they ask for nerfs.
Knowing someone's class isn't going to change that.1 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.1 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doing this wouldn't help the situation you take issue with, @Langeston. Let's be honest with ourselves here - what you propose only serves to provide a simplistic knee-jerk rationalization for dismissing someone else's opinions about the game. And you can do that already without the information you're requesting. Even if you have access to that information you have to make several additional assumptions in order for that information to mean anything. Not everyone plays this game for the same reasons as you, or has the same concerns as you. But their perspectives are still very relevant considering the developers can and do consider all the ways people play this game when making decisions about it. Conflicts are inevitable when you have a game with such a diverse player base.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
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static_recharge✭✭✭✭This will tell you exactly nothing about how "experienced" an individual is with a given class. Take me for example, I have 13 characters at least two of each class that are all maximum level and my account is way past the champion cap. I know next to nothing about many of them in terms of advanced mechanics and what the class does or doesn't need with the exception of my main.
All your suggestion will do is open the door for elitists to point fingers. No thanks.Edited by static_recharge on November 11, 2019 9:33PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Problem is that many people play many classes
And having max level characters is meaningless as it only shows they leveled a character up to 50 since CP is shared.
So it is not important how much work it would take to implement this as it is pointless since it does not provide anything worthwhile.6 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
By what metric, the ability to think critically? The number of stars next to your name seems equally irrelevant to that.Edited by Langeston on November 11, 2019 9:40PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
Well, if this thread was about the foredspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
By what metric, the ability to think critically? The number of stars next to your name seems equally irrelevant to that.
So you're saying that the number of forum stars I have that represent my time and experience on this particular forum are no indication of how much weight my opinion matters on any given forum topic?4 -
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✭✭✭✭Lol I'm a stamblade main, but if we did what you're suggesting you'd think they're one of my least favorite classes with Sorcs being my favorite.0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
Well, if this thread was about the foredspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
By what metric, the ability to think critically? The number of stars next to your name seems equally irrelevant to that.
So you're saying that the number of forum stars I have that represent my time and experience on this particular forum are no indication of how much weight my opinion matters on any given forum topic?
No, I'm saying it has no bearing on this forum topic. (Your class, post count, etc has no bearing on the logic [for or against] my suggestion.)
I feel like I made my position pretty clear when I said:
Replace "doesn't even require that you own the game" with "doesn't even require that you have a forum account" and it is no less true.you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game.
At this point I feel like you just want to argue. If that's the case, pick something better than a straw man to base your argument on.1 -
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✭Add this to the pile OP.
There is a literal book full of things that "SHOULD" be standard for players and fans, but it just doesn't ever seem to happen unless it's a feature on the storefronts.
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
Well, if this thread was about the foredspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
By what metric, the ability to think critically? The number of stars next to your name seems equally irrelevant to that.
So you're saying that the number of forum stars I have that represent my time and experience on this particular forum are no indication of how much weight my opinion matters on any given forum topic?
No, I'm saying it has no bearing on this forum topic. (Your class, post count, etc has no bearing on the logic [for or against] my suggestion.)
I feel like I made my position pretty clear when I said:
Replace "doesn't even require that you own the game" with "doesn't even require that you have a forum account" and it is no less true.you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game.
At this point I feel like you just want to argue. If that's the case, pick something better than a straw man to base your argument on.
I think the responses in this thread show that a lot of players are against your idea. I just chose one reason to argue my point (that level doesn't relate to your knowledge in a class). There is the whole privacy issue which is also a legitimate concern. You could also just post your characters in your signature as many players already do anyway if you think it adds weight to your arguments on the forum. It would also be a significant amount of work to integrate the forums with your in game profile, just to have a lot of angry players upset that their characters are plastered all over the place here for all to see. You could make it "opt out" by default, but then what are you really accomplishing? It would just be the same as the forum signatures with characters listed in them as I mentioned above.
While you suggest an idea, you have yet to state the advantages of that idea other than the false assumption that your character level equates to your game balance knowledge. That false assumption has already been debunked so it's on you to suggest more positives for your suggestion that outweigh the negatives.8 -
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✭I mean, it's all in the databases, so access the data... it's exactly how other MMO's do it....unless of course ZoS DB servers are unoptimized and fraught with issues (wait, they already are)
Here, would this be so bad? Scroll down, every player shows their class, level, and even an avatar of their last played toon. Too cool.
An example of good QOL in an MMO
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✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
Well, if this thread was about the foredspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »No, they shouldn't. First, it's none of your business who or what I play in game. Second, ZOS is destroying classes, not people who whine in the forums.redspecter23 wrote: »Problem is that many people play many classes
I don't consider that a problem at all though, as those are the people whose opinion on such matters I would actually respect. The problem is the ones that don't play other classes coming in here freaking out about mechanics that they do not understand. If we could see the level of experience each player has, we'd have a better idea of whose posts to seriously consider & whose to take with a grain of salt.
Yup, that cp 2100 guy who has 5 maxed pet sorcs just rolled a magplar 2 days ago and got him to cap during the event. He must be very qualified to talk about stamplar balance I suppose.
Moreso than the guy with no stamplars, no?
2 days of experience in a class (all of it spent in a 24 man group running to dolmens) is qualification in your opinion for them to suggest balance changes for that class? Interesting.
I would trust their opinion on loading screens in Alik'r. The slow process of training a horse in speed through in game means and the annoyance of frame rate loss when 50+ people are all in one small area. I would not trust them in much else based solely on their templar playtime.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure there's tons of people running around doing just that.🙄 (As if the 5 maxed out pet sorcs vs 1 templar wouldn't be somewhat of a dead giveaway to any potential motivations the guy might have.)
I've got 1700+ cp and 3 maxed characters of each class. I'm going to have to see your credentials before we continue this conversation. I need to know if your opinion matters compared to mine.
Um, you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game. (Although it does require critical thinking, which thus far you have yet to exhibit.)
If you can't see that having more information about a person's possible biases would be potentially useful in determining how much credence to give their opinion in certain areas, I don't know what to tell you.
In any case, have a nice day.
By that metric, I have 10 forum stars (therefore I'm much more proficient in foruming than you) so I still win? I'm having a fantastic day by the way
By what metric, the ability to think critically? The number of stars next to your name seems equally irrelevant to that.
So you're saying that the number of forum stars I have that represent my time and experience on this particular forum are no indication of how much weight my opinion matters on any given forum topic?
No, I'm saying it has no bearing on this forum topic. (Your class, post count, etc has no bearing on the logic [for or against] my suggestion.)
I feel like I made my position pretty clear when I said:
Replace "doesn't even require that you own the game" with "doesn't even require that you have a forum account" and it is no less true.you could have a single level 3 toon and your opinion would be no less valid regarding this — seeing the logic [for or against] my suggestion doesn't even require that you own the game.
At this point I feel like you just want to argue. If that's the case, pick something better than a straw man to base your argument on.
I think the responses in this thread show that a lot of players are against your idea. I just chose one reason to argue my point (that level doesn't relate to your knowledge in a class). There is the whole privacy issue which is also a legitimate concern. You could also just post your characters in your signature as many players already do anyway if you think it adds weight to your arguments on the forum. It would also be a significant amount of work to integrate the forums with your in game profile, just to have a lot of angry players upset that their characters are plastered all over the place here for all to see. You could make it "opt out" by default, but then what are you really accomplishing? It would just be the same as the forum signatures with characters listed in them as I mentioned above.
While you suggest an idea, you have yet to state the advantages of that idea other than the false assumption that your character level equates to your game balance knowledge. That false assumption has already been debunked so it's on you to suggest more positives for your suggestion that outweigh the negatives.
Well, this is a much better response than your other posts, but it still ended with a straw man. Please point out where I stated I believe that "character level equates to your game balance knowledge." I neither said nor believe that — I simply think that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of where people are coming from when discussing class balance.
As of right now I only have [significant] experience with NBs & Magsorcs — I have started other classes & have opinions on them, but they aren't nearly as informed, so people should take any theories I might have on templars/DKs/wardens & [especially] necros with a healthy dose of salt.
I know there are a lot of other people that have a similarly limited experience — but instead of admitting it they pretend to play the classes they want destroyed in an effort to bolster their credibility. I just think a bit more transparency would be helpful with this, that's all.
Do I think the number of toons you have & what class they are is the end-all be-all with regards to how much I value your opinion? No, that would be absurd & I'd have to be an idiot to think that way. However, it is one of many variables that I (and I'm sure others) take into account when determining someone's credibility. If I were looking for advice on pet sorcs I'd be infinitely more likely to ask someone with 5 of them fully leveled than someone with a bunch of templars/DKs & nothing else — wouldn't you? Kinda seems like a no-brainer to me.Edited by Langeston on November 11, 2019 10:42PM2
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