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GhostofDatthaw
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Gonna keep this real short

PvP is going down hard. Pcna is turning into a 2 alliance war, ad pop is dwindling. DC or ep take turns rolling the map. Writing is on the wall

I think it would be a very good move for zos to remove the "faction" assigned to characters. This would allow people to play all of thier toons for the faction the chose instead of just the few they may have on that specific faction.

It would be nothing but a positive step in the right direction.
Edited by GhostofDatthaw on November 7, 2019 11:36AM
  • jcm2606
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    While this would be a step in the right direction, it wouldn't solve the problem that you've mentioned. To actually solve that problem, faction lock as it currently stands has to completely go.

    The reason why fights are now almost always one-sided is because there's just no opposition to push back and resist the zergs. There's no opposition, because faction locks killed it, because players actually cannot jump over to losing factions to find fights that otherwise wouldn't exist, because they're stuck on the winning faction. Until faction locks go, people will always be stuck on their respective factions, which is often the winning faction.

    And yes, there will always be opposition. A good portion of players just don't care about the campaign, they're there to solely participate in open world PvP, looking for some good fights, no matter the faction. Everyone being on the winning faction drives natural opposition away, so these people who are only looking for good fights will jump over and artificially create opposition for the winning faction.

    Faction locks stop these people from being able to jump over, and so the artificial opposition also stops, alongside natural opposition. Ergo, one-sided fights.
  • GhostofDatthaw
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    Ehhh I'm kinda against the idea that faction lock it's self killed pvp, the guilds and people that left played for years with an even more strict faction lock like I did before tamriel one.

    More people left out of bad game play choices than because of the locks. Cyro was already on the decline.

    Performance and gameplay is what they need to fix to have any hope of saving cyro. Giving people all thier toons to play is just a quality of life improvement.
  • Darsaga
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    I would like them to remove it as well but what has driven everyone away this year is the performance ( which has been this bad for 2+ years). That coupled with the terrible combat choices, like 60-90% protection builds, and sets that play the game for you. People have finally had enough.

    If faction lock stays we at least need a one time grace period to change because most people have characters that can’t even be played each month. That’s unacceptable. Small scale and solo play are very healthy for this games combat design. They have forced it out of PvP with letting performance unravel and bad choices over this year. Population is clearly not happy with it.

    The only people happy with it are the ones that like to take empty keeps in hordes and though they may not be happy with it being reverted they actually will keep playing regardless, unlike everyone that has currently quit.
  • FierceSam
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    jcm2606 wrote: »
    While this would be a step in the right direction, it wouldn't solve the problem that you've mentioned. To actually solve that problem, faction lock as it currently stands has to completely go.

    The reason why fights are now almost always one-sided is because there's just no opposition to push back and resist the zergs. There's no opposition, because faction locks killed it, because players actually cannot jump over to losing factions to find fights that otherwise wouldn't exist, because they're stuck on the winning faction. Until faction locks go, people will always be stuck on their respective factions, which is often the winning faction.

    And yes, there will always be opposition. A good portion of players just don't care about the campaign, they're there to solely participate in open world PvP, looking for some good fights, no matter the faction. Everyone being on the winning faction drives natural opposition away, so these people who are only looking for good fights will jump over and artificially create opposition for the winning faction.

    Faction locks stop these people from being able to jump over, and so the artificial opposition also stops, alongside natural opposition. Ergo, one-sided fights.

    Faction lock was introduced specifically to stop players jumping from one faction to another during a campaign as it was clear players were doing this to cheat the campaigns and the other players.

    Your ‘solution’ is to return to the days of the same players flipping factions for their own personal gain.

    If it’s just the same players playing with different shirts on, nothing has really changed. Cyrodiil is still as dead as it was before they flipped over, the map’s just a different colour.

  • TequilaFire
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.
  • jcm2606
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    FierceSam wrote: »
    jcm2606 wrote: »
    While this would be a step in the right direction, it wouldn't solve the problem that you've mentioned. To actually solve that problem, faction lock as it currently stands has to completely go.

    The reason why fights are now almost always one-sided is because there's just no opposition to push back and resist the zergs. There's no opposition, because faction locks killed it, because players actually cannot jump over to losing factions to find fights that otherwise wouldn't exist, because they're stuck on the winning faction. Until faction locks go, people will always be stuck on their respective factions, which is often the winning faction.

    And yes, there will always be opposition. A good portion of players just don't care about the campaign, they're there to solely participate in open world PvP, looking for some good fights, no matter the faction. Everyone being on the winning faction drives natural opposition away, so these people who are only looking for good fights will jump over and artificially create opposition for the winning faction.

    Faction locks stop these people from being able to jump over, and so the artificial opposition also stops, alongside natural opposition. Ergo, one-sided fights.

    Faction lock was introduced specifically to stop players jumping from one faction to another during a campaign as it was clear players were doing this to cheat the campaigns and the other players.

    Your ‘solution’ is to return to the days of the same players flipping factions for their own personal gain.

    If it’s just the same players playing with different shirts on, nothing has really changed. Cyrodiil is still as dead as it was before they flipped over, the map’s just a different colour.

    And what we're left with is one faction dominating the entire campaign, with the other two factions simply giving up, because they don't have the numbers to oppose the dominating faction.

    If it's between catching a few exploiters versus having the game be fun for everyone, I choose having the game be fun for everyone. All faction locks have done so far is lock players out of characters (entirely so on PC NA, since the only active campaign is Kaal), prevent friends from playing with each other, and killed the map due to the lack of opposition.

    And no, something has changed. If I play mostly DC, and DC is dominating, which has pushed AD and EP away, I can't jump over to an AD or EP to actually play some PvP, because nobody is fighting against the faction I'm locked into. That leaves me with PvDooring with the occasional fight or two (which doesn't last long once the zerg catches the remaining AD and EP, and soon they also jump out of Cyro), which basically means I can't actually do the things I enjoy. Do we really want this to be the case, just to stop a few exploiters?
  • GhostofDatthaw
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.
  • TequilaFire
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    No one is dominating on PS4, must be a PC thing as fights have been very good between the factions.
    There will always be more AD though no matter if locked or unlocked.
    Edited by TequilaFire on November 7, 2019 1:14PM
  • vamp_emily
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    jcm2606 wrote: »
    And what we're left with is one faction dominating the entire campaign, with the other two factions simply giving up, because they don't have the numbers to oppose the dominating faction.

    If it's between catching a few exploiters versus having the game be fun for everyone, I choose having the game be fun for everyone. All faction locks have done so far is lock players out of characters (entirely so on PC NA, since the only active campaign is Kaal), prevent friends from playing with each other, and killed the map due to the lack of opposition.

    And no, something has changed. If I play mostly DC, and DC is dominating, which has pushed AD and EP away, I can't jump over to an AD or EP to actually play some PvP, because nobody is fighting against the faction I'm locked into. That leaves me with PvDooring with the occasional fight or two (which doesn't last long once the zerg catches the remaining AD and EP, and soon they also jump out of Cyro), which basically means I can't actually do the things I enjoy. Do we really want this to be the case, just to stop a few exploiters?

    Is there a reason why you are not playing in the unlocked campaign Zeni made for you?

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  • L_Nici
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    Well there IS a CP-Campaign 30 days without a faction lock, the one that replaced Shor.

    Sadly it is still as dead as Shor was, so if players would really want the faction locks to fall, that campaign should be always full but instead its the same 30 people that circle the map on all 3 faction, taking turns on Emperor.
    Edited by L_Nici on November 7, 2019 1:22PM
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  • TequilaFire
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.
    Edited by TequilaFire on November 7, 2019 1:40PM
  • GhostofDatthaw
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.

    Yes you can, but I also think you forget that pre tamriel one during the vet rank day alot of people rolled new toons on other factions to play the story instead of grinding cadwell silver and gold or to just level a new toon in a different atmosphere. Locking people out of something that would have nothing but a positive impact because

    "well you should have anticipated account bound faction locks 4 years in advance and not made characters on each faction to enjoy the story and the game"

    That is what you sound like.

    Also not reading and comprehending the subject is an even better debate skill
  • TequilaFire
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.

    Yes you can, but I also think you forget that pre tamriel one during the vet rank day alot of people rolled new toons on other factions to play the story instead of grinding cadwell silver and gold or to just level a new toon in a different atmosphere. Locking people out of something that would have nothing but a positive impact because

    "well you should have anticipated account bound faction locks 4 years in advance and not made characters on each faction to enjoy the story and the game"

    That is what you sound like.

    Also not reading and comprehending the subject is an even better debate skill

    Factions in campaigns were locked in the beginning and unlocked later.
    And removing the faction from a character so you can play any one in a campaign is the same as removing faction lock so you are the one clouding the issue.
    But hey carry on.
  • JerzeeDevil
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.

    Yes you can, but I also think you forget that pre tamriel one during the vet rank day alot of people rolled new toons on other factions to play the story instead of grinding cadwell silver and gold or to just level a new toon in a different atmosphere. Locking people out of something that would have nothing but a positive impact because

    "well you should have anticipated account bound faction locks 4 years in advance and not made characters on each faction to enjoy the story and the game"

    That is what you sound like.

    Also not reading and comprehending the subject is an even better debate skill

    Factions in campaigns were locked in the beginning and unlocked later.
    And removing the faction from a character so you can play any one in a campaign is the same as removing faction lock so you are the one clouding the issue.
    But hey carry on.

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  • GhostofDatthaw
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.

    Yes you can, but I also think you forget that pre tamriel one during the vet rank day alot of people rolled new toons on other factions to play the story instead of grinding cadwell silver and gold or to just level a new toon in a different atmosphere. Locking people out of something that would have nothing but a positive impact because

    "well you should have anticipated account bound faction locks 4 years in advance and not made characters on each faction to enjoy the story and the game"

    That is what you sound like.

    Also not reading and comprehending the subject is an even better debate skill

    Factions in campaigns were locked in the beginning and unlocked later.
    And removing the faction from a character so you can play any one in a campaign is the same as removing faction lock so you are the one clouding the issue.
    But hey carry on.

    Ok..so no allowing people to use all thier toons on one faction is not the same as removing faction locks. Unless people have started multiboxing in eso then it would have 0 impact on the amount of people on the factions they already play they already play where thier mains are, all you would do is unlock thier alts.
  • VaranisArano
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    I'm confused.

    If you want to play all your characters, there's a faction-unlocked campaign. Yes, its dead right now, but if players who want that never go there, its going to stay dead for good. Be the change you want to see and hope that more players swap when the current Kaal campaign ends. (Who at ZOS thought offsetting the new campaign vs Kaal was a good idea?)

    If you want to play all your characters on a single faction, how exactly is that going to help with the balance problems you point out on PC/NA? Balance issues come primarily from low overall population, of which the biggest cause is the persistent performance issues.
  • Nordic__Knights
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.

    Yes you can, but I also think you forget that pre tamriel one during the vet rank day alot of people rolled new toons on other factions to play the story instead of grinding cadwell silver and gold or to just level a new toon in a different atmosphere. Locking people out of something that would have nothing but a positive impact because

    "well you should have anticipated account bound faction locks 4 years in advance and not made characters on each faction to enjoy the story and the game"

    That is what you sound like.

    Also not reading and comprehending the subject is an even better debate skill

    Before tam1 you couldn't play for more then 1 alliance in the same campaign they made it back to the original BASE GAME 3 Alliance War because of cheating, what your asking them to do again lol cant you just stop this alliance hooping bs and earn your AP like an warrior not an coward fighting NPC'S rolling the map 3xs + an day hell i have over 60 million AP i have nothing i can nor need to buy as it is and NO i dont Alliance hoop i lock in 1 toon to the ALLIANCE i want to support that month and FIGHT win lose or draw out NUMBERED or over popped but then again am 1 of the last TRUE SOLO players in pvp fyi even when groups invite me because i might of helped get an keep i REFUSE THEM and move on to what i want to do might try it you'll find alot of fights mostly out NUMBERED but hey killing 4-6 of 20 is still fun 😆 😆 😆
  • JerzeeDevil
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    He said all of his toons are DC, none of this adds up
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  • Qbiken
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.

    It´s dead because most people don´t care and will simply play where they think the majority of others will play, regarding of faction locks or not. Adding that changing home campaign costing 100k AP doesn´t help either (+ I still think home campaign should reset by default when campaign ends so you´ve to make an Active choice when picking campaing, hence making it easier to decide which faction you want play as for the next campaign duration)

    The 7 day (now 30 day unlocked) has always been rather empty (aside from maybe the weekends) since it was introduced. So it obviously has nothing to do with faction locks.
    Edited by Qbiken on November 7, 2019 2:22PM
  • TequilaFire
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.

    It´s dead because most people don´t care and will simply play where they think the majority of others will play, regarding of faction locks or not. Adding that changing home campaign costing 100k AP doesn´t help either.

    The 7 day (now 30 day unlocked) has always been rather empty (aside from maybe the weekends) since it was introduced. So it obviously has nothing to do with faction locks.

    Yet they moan about lag and zergs but aren't smart enough to spread out to another campaign that gives equal rewards.
    Yeah makes sense. As to ap costs you can make that up in very short time.
  • heaven13
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    This wouldn't help "dead" campaigns at all. You might be able to at least take all your characters into Kaal if all were red (or blue or yellow) for the duration of the campaign but it doesn't solve the problem you're citing of one faction rolling the map while the other 2 retreat and leave because they can't put up a good opposition.
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  • Kagukan
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    Wasn't that long ago when DC was rarely pop locked during prime time U.S.
  • ForzaRammer
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    Gonna keep this real short

    PvP is going down hard. Pcna is turning into a 2 alliance war, ad pop is dwindling. DC or ep take turns rolling the map. Writing is on the wall

    I think it would be a very good move for zos to remove the "faction" assigned to characters. This would allow people to play all of thier toons for the faction the chose instead of just the few they may have on that specific faction.

    It would be nothing but a positive step in the right direction.

    ad was fully of dc spy, remember how some yellow player run own scroll to dc when ad have emp?
  • Gilvoth
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    exactly, (this comment above) is correct ^

    if you want unlocked faction then go to the unlocked faction campaign.
    its easy.
  • Gilvoth
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.


    exactly, (this comment above) is correct ^


  • GhostofDatthaw
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    I'm confused.

    If you want to play all your characters, there's a faction-unlocked campaign. Yes, its dead right now, but if players who want that never go there, its going to stay dead for good. Be the change you want to see and hope that more players swap when the current Kaal campaign ends. (Who at ZOS thought offsetting the new campaign vs Kaal was a good idea?)

    If you want to play all your characters on a single faction, how exactly is that going to help with the balance problems you point out on PC/NA? Balance issues come primarily from low overall population, of which the biggest cause is the persistent performance issues.

    Two years ago this would never have been a problem because the campaign would have been populated.

    Now though with the only populated campaign being locked I think quality of life improvements like this make sense
  • GhostofDatthaw
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    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.

    Yes you can, but I also think you forget that pre tamriel one during the vet rank day alot of people rolled new toons on other factions to play the story instead of grinding cadwell silver and gold or to just level a new toon in a different atmosphere. Locking people out of something that would have nothing but a positive impact because

    "well you should have anticipated account bound faction locks 4 years in advance and not made characters on each faction to enjoy the story and the game"

    That is what you sound like.

    Also not reading and comprehending the subject is an even better debate skill

    Before tam1 you couldn't play for more then 1 alliance in the same campaign they made it back to the original BASE GAME 3 Alliance War because of cheating, what your asking them to do again lol cant you just stop this alliance hooping bs and earn your AP like an warrior not an coward fighting NPC'S rolling the map 3xs + an day hell i have over 60 million AP i have nothing i can nor need to buy as it is and NO i dont Alliance hoop i lock in 1 toon to the ALLIANCE i want to support that month and FIGHT win lose or draw out NUMBERED or over popped but then again am 1 of the last TRUE SOLO players in pvp fyi even when groups invite me because i might of helped get an keep i REFUSE THEM and move on to what i want to do might try it you'll find alot of fights mostly out NUMBERED but hey killing 4-6 of 20 is still fun 😆 😆 😆

    Lol ok so first off I dont faction stack, and I know full and well how the game worked pre t1, been here since 2014. But at that time there was multiple full servers to play and even a thriving lowbie campaign. Now there is just one. Times change and I think people mind set needs to change with it
  • cheifsoap
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    There is a 30 day unlocked CP campaign now. FFS.

    No one is asking for an unlocked campaign, and the 30 day is dead so first off read what is said before you post. And don't suggest PvP in a pvdoor campaign.

    These are the kinds of comments that make me cringe, like are people this stupid or do they just say whatever without comprehension.

    It is dead because people prefer the locked campaign.
    You can play any race on any alliance if you are not too cheap to purchase.
    Insulting people is such a great debate skill.

    It´s dead because most people don´t care and will simply play where they think the majority of others will play, regarding of faction locks or not. Adding that changing home campaign costing 100k AP doesn´t help either (+ I still think home campaign should reset by default when campaign ends so you´ve to make an Active choice when picking campaing, hence making it easier to decide which faction you want play as for the next campaign duration)

    The 7 day (now 30 day unlocked) has always been rather empty (aside from maybe the weekends) since it was introduced. So it obviously has nothing to do with faction locks.

    So that's the excuse now? lol
  • VaranisArano
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    I'm confused.

    If you want to play all your characters, there's a faction-unlocked campaign. Yes, its dead right now, but if players who want that never go there, its going to stay dead for good. Be the change you want to see and hope that more players swap when the current Kaal campaign ends. (Who at ZOS thought offsetting the new campaign vs Kaal was a good idea?)

    If you want to play all your characters on a single faction, how exactly is that going to help with the balance problems you point out on PC/NA? Balance issues come primarily from low overall population, of which the biggest cause is the persistent performance issues.

    Two years ago this would never have been a problem because the campaign would have been populated.

    Now though with the only populated campaign being locked I think quality of life improvements like this make sense

    If all you want is to play all your characters on one single faction, sure, it'll help.

    The campaign they play on will still be imbalanced due to the low overall population thanks to persistent performance issues, but you'd be able to play all your characters.
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