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Undaunted Keys - Change this please

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Dunkz17
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The undaunted keys system is infuriating and very poor gameplay design. I have spent about 60 keys trying to get the shoulders I want and no luck. Its really putting me off. Really unrewarding gameplay. Why not just have it so that once you have accumulated ~25 keys you can pick the shoulders you want?
  • The_Auror
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    Not sure if you're aware of the recent change but you can buy a coffer now for 5 keys that guarantees shoulders from one of two sets. So you have a 1/6 chance of getting the correct weight and set you want. If you're spending one key at a time you only have a 1/36 chance.

    This is ignoring the trait and assuming you will transmute. If you're also going for perfect trait then yeah it sucks.
  • Micke3rd
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    Dunkz17 wrote: »
    The undaunted keys system is infuriating and very poor gameplay design. I have spent about 60 keys trying to get the shoulders I want and no luck. Its really putting me off. Really unrewarding gameplay. Why not just have it so that once you have accumulated ~25 keys you can pick the shoulders you want?

    you misuse the bug page !
  • Dunkz17
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    The_Auror wrote: »
    Not sure if you're aware of the recent change but you can buy a coffer now for 5 keys that guarantees shoulders from one of two sets. So you have a 1/6 chance of getting the correct weight and set you want. If you're spending one key at a time you only have a 1/36 chance.

    This is ignoring the trait and assuming you will transmute. If you're also going for perfect trait then yeah it sucks.

    Yes, I am buying the coffer for 5 keys, rolling the D6 and haven't got the shoulders I want. Spent at least 60 keys on this. Annoying. Would prefer a grind-to-buy system that doesn't involve the D6
  • Dunkz17
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    Micke3rd wrote: »
    Dunkz17 wrote: »
    The undaunted keys system is infuriating and very poor gameplay design. I have spent about 60 keys trying to get the shoulders I want and no luck. Its really putting me off. Really unrewarding gameplay. Why not just have it so that once you have accumulated ~25 keys you can pick the shoulders you want?

    you misuse the bug page !

    I'm assuming this is a bug in the game because it is such an annoying feature
  • White wabbit
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    Are you talking about weight and trait or you just saying your not getting the shoulder set that you want
  • Dunkz17
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    White wabbit wrote: »
    Are you talking about weight and trait or you just saying your not getting the shoulder set that you want

    I'm talking about weight and shoulder set, trait we can transmute so I have no issue with that. I have bought the same coffer over and over and keep getting wrong shoulder or wrong weight, so have to run the same dungeons over and over which is not useful gameplay because it just becomes a speed run.

    would be much better if you could run a bunch of different dungeons, gather keys, then buy the specific shoulder and weight you want
  • mague
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    The_Auror wrote: »
    Not sure if you're aware of the recent change but you can buy a coffer now for 5 keys that guarantees shoulders from one of two sets. So you have a 1/6 chance of getting the correct weight and set you want. If you're spending one key at a time you only have a 1/36 chance.

    This is ignoring the trait and assuming you will transmute. If you're also going for perfect trait then yeah it sucks.

    Thats gamblers wishful thinking. ;)

    You can buy 20 coffer and still dont get the wanted shoulders, even if you ignore the weight. A chance is just a probability, not a mathematical value. Hence the chance is always 50/50, either you get it or not.
  • bzz86
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    wow... anyone remembers the days before the coffers and clockwork city... where sometimes you used 100 keys and still didnt get what you needed? Got light infused needed heavy infused ... Got heavy reinforced needed infused ;-)
  • The_Auror
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    That makes zero sense. By that logic we should all go buy some lottery tickets since they each have a 50/50 chance of winning.

    Someone having a run of bad luck doesn't change the odds. 1/6 is better than 1/36. Be glad we have this system now, I had to spend over 200 keys to get divine Ilambris shoulders back in the day. ;)
  • mague
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    The_Auror wrote: »
    That makes zero sense. By that logic we should all go buy some lottery tickets since they each have a 50/50 chance of winning.

    Someone having a run of bad luck doesn't change the odds. 1/6 is better than 1/36. Be glad we have this system now, I had to spend over 200 keys to get divine Ilambris shoulders back in the day. ;)

    The Probability to win in our national lottery is 1:139.838.160 or 0,00000072%. But the Chance to hit the jackpot is 50/50 on each bought ticket.

    Probability is just an estimation. Sure thing, the probability that it snows in greenland is high. But this is still just a best guess trying to look like real math.
    Edited by mague on November 7, 2019 8:26AM
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