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Troll King
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Wasn't there a thread just like this about Bloodspawn a few days ago?
Man, even the old school sets aren't safe!
Right now snowflakes are hurt even by flat value sets without procs which always was considered as pretty balanced.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.5 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »Nerftheforums wrote: »Lul wut
The player stacking HP Regen cannot use that HP Regen to fuel offense. The player stacking Stam Regen to fuel Vigor to compensate for low HP Regen can use that Stam Regen to fuel offense.
I mean, I can sit at 5,2k weapon damage, capped resistance with almost 4k HP regen (no lingering pots), around 1,3k stamregen and do perfectly fine. And this is in NO-CP on stamsorc. When trollking procs I can do whatever I want more or less, whether it is playing offensively or defensively. And I´m not even actively trying to stack HP-regen and if I would run with steed mundus stone I could easily breach 4k HP-regen.
Trollking is a carry and if you really want it to be used as a healer/support set, ZOS should change so the wearer can´t proc it on themselves, and add a cooldown to how often it can proc.
Dumb, a dead healer can't heal.2 -
precambria✭✭✭✭✭ITT, people who use troll king VS everyone else who plays the game. I don't think it needs I nerf I think the people who use it should stop wasting everyone else time voluntarily.1 -
Dashmatt✭✭✭✭The nerf to lingering health potions was enough to make me unequip Troll King. This post feels like it time travelled.3
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RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭How about making Bloodspawn proc when you fall below 40% HP,
BS is basicallly 10% mitigation during 90% of the combat time, and don't get me start on the ultigen. Half cyrodiil is running BS1 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭These same people losing it over 5k wpn dmg, 4k hp regen probably weren't paying attention when many of us were running around with 4k wpn dmg, 10k hp regen.
TK has never been weaker than it is now, and somehow now, these Elite PvPers haven't figured out a way to achieve their strategic goals without a nerf to TK.
Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast3 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭I understand the idea that TK proliferates a long TTK, and I understand the frustration with that. I also understand this is probably exacerbated in the latest patch.
I believe instead of comparisons between TK and other sources of health restoration and how these things extend TTK, perhaps we should compare TK to the other resource restoration monster sets, which ought to be reasonably employable to shorten TTK.
I'd be happy to discuss numbers, but right off the bat we can see that the nerf to Sentinel was absolutely disastrous, and that Grundwulf needs a buff. Not a massive one, but it definitely needs one to encourage its use over Balorgh, Bloodspawn, or TK.
Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
yRaven✭✭✭✭Another ''Nerf this because it killed me on PVP'' post, so uniqueJack of all trades. Master of at least one.
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Àrës - Magicka Dragonknight (EP)
Persephónē - Magicka Warden (EP)
Athēna - Magicka Templar (EP)
Hādēs - Magicka Necromancer (EP)
Hërmës - Runner Troll (EP)1 -
TBois✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
There is always the classic disease enchantPC/NA
T-Bois (Stam Sorc since 1.4) - AD
An Unsettling Snowball (Templar) - AD
Bosquecito (Stam Sorc) - DC
Peti-T-Bois (Stamden) - AD0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
There is always the classic disease enchant
Which doesn't apply major defile anymore. Seriously, how do you even get major defile at this point?Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 31, 2019 9:41PM0 -
TBois✭✭✭✭✭
✭Man, there are plenty enough solutions in this *** game for most of the problems people run into and asks for nerfs for. Instead people whine on the forums. So now everyone plays a neutered version of what their class was. I never played DK in pvp, but I miss when DKs could leap into keeps (scroll exploits aside as that was fixed with instant death zones when gates aren't open). We have lost interesting gameplay and counter play because people whine instead of looking at their kit for solutions.PC/NA
T-Bois (Stam Sorc since 1.4) - AD
An Unsettling Snowball (Templar) - AD
Bosquecito (Stam Sorc) - DC
Peti-T-Bois (Stamden) - AD1 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Man, there are plenty enough solutions in this *** game for most of the problems people run into and asks for nerfs for. Instead people whine on the forums. So now everyone plays a neutered version of what their class was. I never played DK in pvp, but I miss when DKs could leap into keeps (scroll exploits aside as that was fixed with instant death zones when gates aren't open). We have lost interesting gameplay and counter play because people whine instead of looking at their kit for solutions.
The blame is at developers for not having an intended vision , just nerfing things based on what people cry about.0 -
TBois✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Man, there are plenty enough solutions in this *** game for most of the problems people run into and asks for nerfs for. Instead people whine on the forums. So now everyone plays a neutered version of what their class was. I never played DK in pvp, but I miss when DKs could leap into keeps (scroll exploits aside as that was fixed with instant death zones when gates aren't open). We have lost interesting gameplay and counter play because people whine instead of looking at their kit for solutions.
The blame is at developers for not having an intended vision , just nerfing things based on what people cry about.
That's true. Agreed. I was just frustrated for a sec. All the blame should definitely be on zos's shoulders.PC/NA
T-Bois (Stam Sorc since 1.4) - AD
An Unsettling Snowball (Templar) - AD
Bosquecito (Stam Sorc) - DC
Peti-T-Bois (Stamden) - AD1 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Man, there are plenty enough solutions in this *** game for most of the problems people run into and asks for nerfs for. Instead people whine on the forums. So now everyone plays a neutered version of what their class was. I never played DK in pvp, but I miss when DKs could leap into keeps (scroll exploits aside as that was fixed with instant death zones when gates aren't open). We have lost interesting gameplay and counter play because people whine instead of looking at their kit for solutions.
The blame is at developers for not having an intended vision , just nerfing things based on what people cry about.
That's true. Agreed. I was just frustrated for a sec. All the blame should definitely be on zos's shoulders.
There are many games that have nerfmongers in them, whether they're right or not should be obvious by looking at data and using math and logic, rather than spamming forums with arguments.
Competitive games use things like Kill death ratio, stat charts, winrates etc to determine if something is objectively overperforming or underperforming. But on ESO? If forums complain about X, then lets nerf X. Compensation? Not needed. Lets just nerf everything and nerf some other things because we nerfed too many things. Nerfs without compensation leads to more nerfs and We're already at the point where class balance and combat flow is completely broken.
I don't know how balance team will get out of this mess but they created it themselves so I simply do not care.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 31, 2019 9:58PM2
