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Half done dungeons are the worst
ForzaRammer
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I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.
I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.
Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.
I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.
Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.
I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.
Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.
I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.
Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.
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ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭TempPlayer wrote: »Why do you think the last tank left?
Dps is low AF. And honestly i rather not join half done dungeons.3 -
seerevaloc✭✭✭Maybe they're dying because of you've failed to keep boss taunted :-)
Like dying in Sunspire due to Dragon's Breath. Wiping DD stack completely if tank fail to hold it.
It won't be fair unless DDs played with you comment either. There must be a reason majority rejection of kicking a DD. What makes you sure enough to think you're right?4 -
Nutta✭✭Why not instead of automatically wanting to kick, rather try to make it work.
Your attitude is poor, the DPS you want to kick is a human being. Treat them as such.
Oh and need I say .. It's a game !15 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭seerevaloc wrote: »Maybe they're dying because of you've failed to keep boss taunted :-)
Like dying in Sunspire due to Dragon's Breath. Wiping DD stack completely if tank fail to hold it.
It won't be fair unless DDs played with you comment either. There must be a reason majority rejection of kicking a DD. What makes you sure enough to think you're right?
Nope boss was taunted all time. They don’t even seem to have a normal dps rotation. I have cleared all those dungeons. So i am pretty sure it’s their fault. Most the time poor healer is on my side, not exactly majority.8 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not instead of automatically wanting to kick, rather try to make it work.
Your attitude is poor, the DPS you want to kick is a human being. Treat them as such.
Oh and need I say .. It's a game !
Maybe you should read? I generally need to wipe once to understand if dps is decent. Wipe another time to pay attention to see which dps seems worse. That’s 2 tries already. Why don’t they try to make their rotation work b4 queing. I am a human too.
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✭✭Yeah. The blue portal of death and despair. It totally blows. As a tank it’s often very concerning. Because often times the group is poo. And there’s nothing you can do to save them. But this is the way of pug life. It’s usually about the same in trials.4 -
TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭OP you sound like a big salty hypocrite. Remember this thread (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/498458/dot-nerf-doesnt-close-skill-gap/p1) where you were crying that poor average players are getting nerfed this patch? Why would you kick them then? Why not try and help them? Teach them?
Trying to kick ppl is super toxic behaviour, something not even some PvE elitists I know would do.
Now I'm more convinced than ever that your plan was to simply ruin the game for "top tier" players.11 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭TriangularChicken wrote: »OP you sound like a big salty hypocrite. Remember this thread (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/498458/dot-nerf-doesnt-close-skill-gap/p1) where you were crying that poor average players are getting nerfed this patch? Why would you kick them then? Why not try and help them? Teach them?
Trying to kick ppl is super toxic behaviour, something not even some PvE elitists I know would do.
Now I'm more convinced than ever that your plan was to simply ruin the game for "top tier" players.
Hypocrite? Did you even read the last thread?
Last one was about gap between median and top tier. This thread is about kicking ppl nowhere near median.
The ones I suggest to kick here are generally bottom 20%. Kicking average player is toxic, kicking bottom tier players who just want free carry is not. I use the term ‘potatoes’ not ‘average’.9 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.
Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.
Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.
Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.
People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.
Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.[ PC EU ]
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✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.
I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.
Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.
I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.
Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.
The problem is not the players, its the dumb design decisions to make dungeons 4 man. A 5 man party (if they servers can handle it) would allow for more DPS, less finger pointing by elitists and should be able to carry 2 low dps.
The design HAS to allow for some shortcomings within the player base. Unfortunately the 4 man dungeon does not allow for this. I would love to hear a thought out answer by the dev who suggested the reason for the 4 man group, because I am not finding any logical reasons outside of performance that it should be this way.5 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.
I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.
Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.
I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.
Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.
The problem is not the players, its the dumb design decisions to make dungeons 4 man. A 5 man party (if they servers can handle it) would allow for more DPS, less finger pointing by elitists and should be able to carry 2 low dps.
The design HAS to allow for some shortcomings within the player base. Unfortunately the 4 man dungeon does not allow for this. I would love to hear a thought out answer by the dev who suggested the reason for the 4 man group, because I am not finding any logical reasons outside of performance that it should be this way.
In essence you prefer a 5-man dungeon design due to the ability to carry deadweight/ultra-low-performing players?
One simple reason why: in a 4-man dungeon everyone has to carry his weight as there's no hiding your low performance in more difficult content.7 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭ForzaRammer wrote: »I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.
I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.
Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.
I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.
Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.
The problem is not the players, its the dumb design decisions to make dungeons 4 man. A 5 man party (if they servers can handle it) would allow for more DPS, less finger pointing by elitists and should be able to carry 2 low dps.
The design HAS to allow for some shortcomings within the player base. Unfortunately the 4 man dungeon does not allow for this. I would love to hear a thought out answer by the dev who suggested the reason for the 4 man group, because I am not finding any logical reasons outside of performance that it should be this way.
Eh, wow has 5 man dungeon, do you honestly think low dps get carried in wow?3 -
seerevaloc✭✭✭As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.
Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.
Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.
Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.
People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.
Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.
So it was your toxic type those kicked me when I ported into the dungeon right at the entrance. Nice meeting to you. So you guys existing really :-)
I was 395CP with 33-35K DPS when this incident happened and in many dungeons I've carried 600CP+ DD (with 16-20k DPS) with me.
And toxic prejudgement of your type people didn't give me chance even to kill one add, just voted to kick at the entrance after 25 mins of waiting in the queue lol.
*Kicking before the first boss* is toxic. I don't care how many people you adviced etc. Clear yourselves from Low CP = Low DPS stereotype at the beginning. If DPS comes low, then start a discussion in civilized way and request that guy to leave. Don't act like uncivilized orangutans.7 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭seerevaloc wrote: »As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.
Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.
Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.
Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.
People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.
Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.
So it was your toxic type those kicked me when I ported into the dungeon right at the entrance. Nice meeting to you. So you guys existing really :-)
I was 395CP with 33-35K DPS when this incident happened and in many dungeons I've carried 600CP+ DD (with 16-20k DPS) with me.
And toxic prejudgement of your type people didn't give me chance even to kill one add, just voted to kick at the entrance after 25 mins of waiting in the queue lol.
*Kicking before the first boss* is toxic. I don't care how many people you adviced etc. Clear yourselves from Low CP = Low DPS stereotype at the beginning. If DPS comes low, then start a discussion in civilized way and request that guy to leave. Don't act like uncivilized orangutans.
It's a stereotype which holds true in most cases.
An uncivilized orangutan would join a vet dungeon not even knowing the basics of ESO's combat or having the bare-minimum of skill to e.g. move out of bad.
People like that deserve an immediate kick.3 -
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Often its just just one bad players but 3 or two.ForzaRammer wrote: »TempPlayer wrote: »Why do you think the last tank left?
Dps is low AF. And honestly i rather not join half done dungeons.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.2 -
seerevaloc✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »seerevaloc wrote: »As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.
Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.
Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.
Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.
People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.
Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.
So it was your toxic type those kicked me when I ported into the dungeon right at the entrance. Nice meeting to you. So you guys existing really :-)
I was 395CP with 33-35K DPS when this incident happened and in many dungeons I've carried 600CP+ DD (with 16-20k DPS) with me.
And toxic prejudgement of your type people didn't give me chance even to kill one add, just voted to kick at the entrance after 25 mins of waiting in the queue lol.
*Kicking before the first boss* is toxic. I don't care how many people you adviced etc. Clear yourselves from Low CP = Low DPS stereotype at the beginning. If DPS comes low, then start a discussion in civilized way and request that guy to leave. Don't act like uncivilized orangutans.
It's a stereotype which holds true in most cases.
An uncivilized orangutan would join a vet dungeon not even knowing the basics of ESO's combat or having the bare-minimum of skill to e.g. move out of bad.
People like that deserve an immediate kick.
I agree with that, but *not saying a word, don't even letting him/her to perform, just right at the entrance, vote for kick?*
Only yesterday we've replaced more than 3 DDs beside me to complete to complete vMHK. All 3 of them were 700-810CP and one even joined with shield (DK DD). None passed 18K. Luckily we got someone and completed.
What I'm telling, *see what's going on first* and communicate with people. Ask them what's their DPS when suspected etc.0 -
Welkynar✭✭✭Yeah it’s really painful joining a vet dungeon and seeing a dps who doesn’t have a rotation. The last time I joined a vet Scalecaller the other dps had a restoration staff backbar and was dead the entirety of each boss fight. Another time there was a nightblade dps hiding and staying cloaked the entire time and using snipe. These are the worst experiences, though. Many times when I encounter a low dps player they genuinely try to do damage. But now with the nerfs to dps it’s even worse for them.4 -
daedalusAI✭✭✭✭✭seerevaloc wrote: »daedalusAI wrote: »seerevaloc wrote: »As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.
Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.
Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.
Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.
People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.
Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.
So it was your toxic type those kicked me when I ported into the dungeon right at the entrance. Nice meeting to you. So you guys existing really :-)
I was 395CP with 33-35K DPS when this incident happened and in many dungeons I've carried 600CP+ DD (with 16-20k DPS) with me.
And toxic prejudgement of your type people didn't give me chance even to kill one add, just voted to kick at the entrance after 25 mins of waiting in the queue lol.
*Kicking before the first boss* is toxic. I don't care how many people you adviced etc. Clear yourselves from Low CP = Low DPS stereotype at the beginning. If DPS comes low, then start a discussion in civilized way and request that guy to leave. Don't act like uncivilized orangutans.
It's a stereotype which holds true in most cases.
An uncivilized orangutan would join a vet dungeon not even knowing the basics of ESO's combat or having the bare-minimum of skill to e.g. move out of bad.
People like that deserve an immediate kick.
I agree with that, but *not saying a word, don't even letting him/her to perform, just right at the entrance, vote for kick?*
Only yesterday we've replaced more than 3 DDs beside me to complete to complete vMHK. All 3 of them were 700-810CP and one even joined with shield (DK DD). None passed 18K. Luckily we got someone and completed.
What I'm telling, *see what's going on first* and communicate with people. Ask them what's their DPS when suspected etc.
Oh, I let them perform, but ~1-3 minutes is enough to get an impression of their skills.
Communication is a 2-way-street, and especially those bad players don't communicate at all.
You could write a screen play detailing every single step, and yet they couldn't care less.9 -
seerevaloc✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »seerevaloc wrote: »daedalusAI wrote: »seerevaloc wrote: »As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.
Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.
Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.
Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.
People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.
Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.
So it was your toxic type those kicked me when I ported into the dungeon right at the entrance. Nice meeting to you. So you guys existing really :-)
I was 395CP with 33-35K DPS when this incident happened and in many dungeons I've carried 600CP+ DD (with 16-20k DPS) with me.
And toxic prejudgement of your type people didn't give me chance even to kill one add, just voted to kick at the entrance after 25 mins of waiting in the queue lol.
*Kicking before the first boss* is toxic. I don't care how many people you adviced etc. Clear yourselves from Low CP = Low DPS stereotype at the beginning. If DPS comes low, then start a discussion in civilized way and request that guy to leave. Don't act like uncivilized orangutans.
It's a stereotype which holds true in most cases.
An uncivilized orangutan would join a vet dungeon not even knowing the basics of ESO's combat or having the bare-minimum of skill to e.g. move out of bad.
People like that deserve an immediate kick.
I agree with that, but *not saying a word, don't even letting him/her to perform, just right at the entrance, vote for kick?*
Only yesterday we've replaced more than 3 DDs beside me to complete to complete vMHK. All 3 of them were 700-810CP and one even joined with shield (DK DD). None passed 18K. Luckily we got someone and completed.
What I'm telling, *see what's going on first* and communicate with people. Ask them what's their DPS when suspected etc.
Oh, I let them perform, but ~1-3 minutes is enough to get an impression of their skills.
Communication is a 2-way-street, and especially those bad players don't communicate at all.
You could write a screen play detailing every single step, and yet they couldn't care less.
I can't agree more.
Yeah, non-communicable low DPS & no matter what you write repeating same and dying in first 2 secs. This I hate too, this guys are actually pissing people off and makes Dungeon Finder a scary place.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.
I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.
Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.
I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.
Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.
Final Fantasy 14 has an option where players can choose whether or not to join groups already in progress. They should probably add a similar option to this game.7 -
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✭Got the best/fastest skill point of my life yesterday, Group Finder ported me to Fungal Il and the group was already half-way killing Vila. One minute of keeping her projectiles on me while we avoided black sucky floor, and voilà.
I have no idea why the previous tank left, but I was happy for it.PC-EU2 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭seerevaloc wrote: »As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.
Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.
Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.
Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.
People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.
Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.
So it was your toxic type those kicked me when I ported into the dungeon right at the entrance. Nice meeting to you. So you guys existing really :-)
I was 395CP with 33-35K DPS when this incident happened and in many dungeons I've carried 600CP+ DD (with 16-20k DPS) with me.
And toxic prejudgement of your type people didn't give me chance even to kill one add, just voted to kick at the entrance after 25 mins of waiting in the queue lol.
*Kicking before the first boss* is toxic. I don't care how many people you adviced etc. Clear yourselves from Low CP = Low DPS stereotype at the beginning. If DPS comes low, then start a discussion in civilized way and request that guy to leave. Don't act like uncivilized orangutans.
I wonder how I can have kick you cuz I don't have pug since month..
Also I've never kick someone for his CP level.
Edit : actually you're the toxic making assumption on people.
I've never write anything of what you said on my quoted post.
Reading the post you quote can be a good thing you know, can be helpful to not lost any credibility.Edited by Aznarb on October 26, 2019 8:27PM[ PC EU ]
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✭✭✭✭✭Idk, problem seems like overblown to me. I pugged vets as tank thousand times.
For base game vets, completion rate is like 95 or 99% dps is enough.
For base game HMs for pledges pug dps is enough like 90%.
For vDLC.. well, if you are pugging them, this is clearly not for pledges, but to have fun and challenge and it is real satisfaction when you can complete it with mediocre or bad pug. Any tank can complete vDLC with 100k+ group dps, this will be mostly effortless with few exceptions. Now complete it with group dps 40-50k.. that is real fun.3 -
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✭✭✭✭I feel your pain
Half done dungeons can be a pain
However, they are far from the worst this game can provide.3 -
xeha_arwen11✭✭✭✭As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.
Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.
Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.
Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.
People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.
Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.
Holy crap you're such a toxic elitist. Your attitude is abysmal as well as your view of people who don't play what you consider "skilled enough".
Saying lower than 20k is INSANELY bad is one of the most elitist things I've heard lately. Bad dps is 5k. 15k is something I see a lot. It's not bad. A lot of people work hard at this game and never get past 15k dps. There's no need for you to viciously insult them and their hard work.
If you want nothing but wonderful dps for your vet dlc, then do it with a full guild team. If you pug, that means you better expect that dps won't be stellar. Kicking someone because their dps doesn't meet your ridiculously inflated standard is the height of toxic and elitist.
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✭xeha_arwen11 wrote: »As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.
Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.
Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.
Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.
People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.
Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.
Holy crap you're such a toxic elitist. Your attitude is abysmal as well as your view of people who don't play what you consider "skilled enough".
Saying lower than 20k is INSANELY bad is one of the most elitist things I've heard lately. Bad dps is 5k. 15k is something I see a lot. It's not bad. A lot of people work hard at this game and never get past 15k dps. There's no need for you to viciously insult them and their hard work.
If you want nothing but wonderful dps for your vet dlc, then do it with a full guild team. If you pug, that means you better expect that dps won't be stellar. Kicking someone because their dps doesn't meet your ridiculously inflated standard is the height of toxic and elitist.
This game never stops with the toxicity. Like a damn endless abyss.
Yeah I know asking DPS who go in vDLC to actually dps is such a shame and elitism-toxic thing
It's ok, keep insulting if it made you feel good.
Won't change my point.
I love how you justifies idiot thing by taking problem in the wrong sense.
If people use finder they should be able to carry their one weight through the content they queue for.
It's called logic.
So player who do the best they can to improve and doing their part of the job are toxic elitist but people who don't care about other and just come expecting to be carry are free to ruin the fun of the 3 other player, humm..
Love this forum logic.
But don't worry, I run only with friend now.
Edited by Aznarb on October 26, 2019 9:32PM[ PC EU ]
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✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.
I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.
Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.
I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.
Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.
The problem is not the players, its the dumb design decisions to make dungeons 4 man. A 5 man party (if they servers can handle it) would allow for more DPS, less finger pointing by elitists and should be able to carry 2 low dps.
The design HAS to allow for some shortcomings within the player base. Unfortunately the 4 man dungeon does not allow for this. I would love to hear a thought out answer by the dev who suggested the reason for the 4 man group, because I am not finding any logical reasons outside of performance that it should be this way.
In essence you prefer a 5-man dungeon design due to the ability to carry deadweight/ultra-low-performing players?
One simple reason why: in a 4-man dungeon everyone has to carry his weight as there's no hiding your low performance in more difficult content.
Yes that is my point in dungeons being 5 man. Its not about dead beats but simply lower level players, or people who have not learned yet.1 -
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✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.
I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.
Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.
I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.
Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.
The problem is not the players, its the dumb design decisions to make dungeons 4 man. A 5 man party (if they servers can handle it) would allow for more DPS, less finger pointing by elitists and should be able to carry 2 low dps.
The design HAS to allow for some shortcomings within the player base. Unfortunately the 4 man dungeon does not allow for this. I would love to hear a thought out answer by the dev who suggested the reason for the 4 man group, because I am not finding any logical reasons outside of performance that it should be this way.
Eh, wow has 5 man dungeon, do you honestly think low dps get carried in wow?
I am currently subbed in wow, been playing since 2004 and yes low DPS get carried every minute that game has existed. I have been carried, I have carried. Only in mythic speed runs are people not going to put up with low dps, but a casual player will not be qued up for mythic+ as you have to form a party to do them, not pug matching.1 -
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✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Idk, problem seems like overblown to me. I pugged vets as tank thousand times.
For base game vets, completion rate is like 95 or 99% dps is enough.
For base game HMs for pledges pug dps is enough like 90%.
For vDLC.. well, if you are pugging them, this is clearly not for pledges, but to have fun and challenge and it is real satisfaction when you can complete it with mediocre or bad pug. Any tank can complete vDLC with 100k+ group dps, this will be mostly effortless with few exceptions. Now complete it with group dps 40-50k.. that is real fun.
wtf, ofc i pug dlc for pledge1
