Half done dungeons are the worst

ForzaRammer

xeha_arwen11 wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.

Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.

Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.

Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.

People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.

Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.

Holy crap you're such a toxic elitist. Your attitude is abysmal as well as your view of people who don't play what you consider "skilled enough".

Saying lower than 20k is INSANELY bad is one of the most elitist things I've heard lately. Bad dps is 5k. 15k is something I see a lot. It's not bad. A lot of people work hard at this game and never get past 15k dps. There's no need for you to viciously insult them and their hard work.

If you want nothing but wonderful dps for your vet dlc, then do it with a full guild team. If you pug, that means you better expect that dps won't be stellar. Kicking someone because their dps doesn't meet your ridiculously inflated standard is the height of toxic and elitist.

This game never stops with the toxicity. Like a damn endless abyss.

No 15k is not a lot, 15k is well below average. i puged lots of dungeon, at least in vet dungeon que the median dps is about 25k now. If you pug, you better expect to pull your own weight because pugs are not ppl selling carries in craglorn.

Salvas_Aren

Get good thieving gear medium armor on your tank as a backup. If they dont kick you, you leave the dungeon, not the group, and pickpocket until they kick you.

ForzaRammer

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Get good thieving gear medium armor on your tank as a backup. If they dont kick you, you leave the dungeon, not the group, and pickpocket until they kick you.

how do i pickpocket the other players?

JumpmanLane

ForzaRammer wrote: »

I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.

I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.

Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.

I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.

Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.

You should put on some dps gear and carry yourself. Geeze. Who needs an ACTUAL tank. I’d take a fake tank any day of the week. (Joking).

Seriously, don’t pug dungeons. Do them with your pals.

bmnoble

Depends on why the last tank left:

-if the group immediately asks after you port into the dungeon, in chat if your a real tank, then the last one was probably a fake tank

-if the last tank disconnected

-if the last tank abandoned all hope and left the group or your met with silence from the group in chat, when you ask.


Its only the last ones that tends to make me worry about the group I ended up with.


Generally I judge a PUG group by how well the DPS, kill the trash on the way to the first boss and how they handle the first boss.

If it takes a little while to kill the boss and they are not constantly getting killed, I don't mind and will stick with the group but if they struggle with the trash mobs, I usually take it as a warning sign to consider leaving, if they wipe frequently on the bosses, I leave.

If its a DLC dungeon I am more likely to leave, if its a base game one I occasionally slog it out if I have time.

Main reason I end up leaving struggling groups is because I don't always have an hour or two to spend on something that should have taken 30 - 45 minutes at most.
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JumpmanLane

Then there’s always why the needed a replacement tank in the first place... bad sign going in.

Tsar_Gekkou

I like getting put into last boss instances on vet. We can hopefully do hardmode once i'm there, then I can queue up for it again on normal and it still counts as a hardmode clear.

OG_Kaveman

i have kicked tanks that are being aholes, so it is not always because of bad dps.

ForzaRammer

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

i have kicked tanks that are being aholes, so it is not always because of bad dps.

Good job. You are better than the potatoes who would not even kick the tank.

Jem_Kindheart

It's worth noting that there are some very solid mechanical dps walls in some vet dungeons, but not most. Two that come to mind I had a few rough pugs in (I'm the healer) is vet City of Ash 2, that first? boss is a dps race bc she spawns endless adds that eventually the dps can't overcome and no healer could heal through. I'd say 20k each could git r done. Not too bad. But the wall is solid. Only dps can overcome it. Same in v Maarselok, the midboss with the red shield mechanic is an absolute dps race, the damage from the shield will eventually overwhelm the team, it has to be raced down fast. I'd say 35k each is gonna be tough, 45k each and up will get it done without much pain.

Those aren't meant to be elitist in any way, it's sadly a math race. That's really not a lot of the content though. Most can be done following the patterns and performing mechanics decently. I'm used to wiping by extension of trial progression, so I'm patient and don't kick. If I'm pugging a vet, I set aside a big chunk of time if it's a dlc. Those people who are in a super big hurry with their precious time should utilize wisdom and go with their guildies or friends they know can do all the mechs and hit 80k. Spock would say that is more logical and efficient than qq rage kicking pug members on the first pull. Or take a moment and be a nice human and explain the mechanics maybe.

AlnilamE

As a healer, I'm the opposite.

Nothing makes me happier when I queue for a random than finding a group that's half-way through the dungeon. Sometimes they are even at the last boss, which means I'm done really quickly.

The only time that's not great is if it's a pledge dungeon and I picked up the pledges, but I don't do that very often.

idk

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.

I would not suggest you try to do dps as a tank. I would suggest you find a good active guild and run with guildies. Guildies have more patience with other guildies most of the time and if you find a half decent guild you will have more reliable groups to run with.

SoLooney

Yea good luck completing dungeons when its half way done and you're coming in as a tank

Nothing is gonna get killed and you're gonna be holding that boss for a very long time

Might as well watch Netflix while holding block

ForzaRammer

idk wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.

I would not suggest you try to do dps as a tank. I would suggest you find a good active guild and run with guildies. Guildies have more patience with other guildies most of the time and if you find a half decent guild you will have more reliable groups to run with.

I don’t understand why the eso player community don’t just kick these free loaders. Group finder is supposed to give people convenience, these people have ruined it.

Tsar_Gekkou

ForzaRammer wrote: »

idk wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.

I would not suggest you try to do dps as a tank. I would suggest you find a good active guild and run with guildies. Guildies have more patience with other guildies most of the time and if you find a half decent guild you will have more reliable groups to run with.

I don’t understand why the eso player community don’t just kick these free loaders. Group finder is supposed to give people convenience, these people have ruined it.

Because kicking anyone except a fake tank is apparently "toxic" and "elitist."

idk

ForzaRammer wrote: »

idk wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.

I would not suggest you try to do dps as a tank. I would suggest you find a good active guild and run with guildies. Guildies have more patience with other guildies most of the time and if you find a half decent guild you will have more reliable groups to run with.

I don’t understand why the eso player community don’t just kick these free loaders. Group finder is supposed to give people convenience, these people have ruined it.

Most of the community that plays regularly through most of the year does not rely on the GF to form their group. They have guilds and friends to run with. Heck, even forming a group from zone chat, usually in an undaunted zone, tends to get much better groups than those who use GF to form the entire group.

I am not suggesting only bad players use GF for totally random groups but it is a common find there. We sometimes queue with just 3 of us and sometime get surprised with a good player. However, the player that does not know they have an interrupt as a melee DPS @ CP 810 is much more common. No, we do not kick them just because they are not good.

ForzaRammer

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

idk wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.

I would not suggest you try to do dps as a tank. I would suggest you find a good active guild and run with guildies. Guildies have more patience with other guildies most of the time and if you find a half decent guild you will have more reliable groups to run with.

I don’t understand why the eso player community don’t just kick these free loaders. Group finder is supposed to give people convenience, these people have ruined it.

Because kicking anyone except a fake tank is apparently "toxic" and "elitist."

So tank is expected to do his part, but dps are not held responsible? What a double standard. No wonder tank que is instant.

redlink1979

Low dps is only a problem if you are referring to vet dungeons.

If you're referring to normal dungeons, you need to be patient n comprehensive: low level dd chars don't make much damage.

By the way (if you are indeed referring to normal dungeons): how would you feel if you were trying to level your char and the group decides to kick you because you do low dps? Be patient n comprehensive.

ZonasArch

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.

I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.

Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.

I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.

Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.

The problem is not the players, its the dumb design decisions to make dungeons 4 man. A 5 man party (if they servers can handle it) would allow for more DPS, less finger pointing by elitists and should be able to carry 2 low dps.

The design HAS to allow for some shortcomings within the player base. Unfortunately the 4 man dungeon does not allow for this. I would love to hear a thought out answer by the dev who suggested the reason for the 4 man group, because I am not finding any logical reasons outside of performance that it should be this way.

Eh, wow has 5 man dungeon, do you honestly think low dps get carried in wow?

Go play wow.


I need a doctor to inject me with anti venom. The toxic level in OP is too damn high and had me contaminated. Guys? Can anyone help?

albesca

ForzaRammer wrote: »

No 15k is not a lot, 15k is well below average. i puged lots of dungeon, at least in vet dungeon que the median dps is about 25k now. If you pug, you better expect to pull your own weight because pugs are not ppl selling carries in craglorn.

Just for the sake of precision, a median DPS of 25K means that you a random DPS is as likely to be worse than that as it is to be better; maybe what you're thinking of is a mode (that is, the most likely value) of 25k DPS.

Also, it's kind of important to specify that you're talking about veteran difficulty, because I sometimes pug in normal dungeons as a healer and 15k DPS is quite above average there

Veinblood1965

We are sorry but this thread has been locked due to pie in the face tossing.

Btw I like apples, if anyone cares.

Michaelkeir

As a main tank myself I agree...blue portals are the worst. But I usually just give it a go.

Low dps is a pain as well. But I don't insta kick if their CP is low. I wait and see how fast they kill mobs on the way to the boss. If it takes too long on trash....i start to see where the low dps is coming from. After that I either vote kick or leave. I normally pug vet dlc dungeons and if you as a dps enter those with low dps and no idea of the mechanics...my tolerance level is low.

I can teach the mechanics...I normally be on mic and talk people through those....but low dps is hard to teach in the middle of vetMHK.

From my experience low dps tend to travel with a friend so kicking them tends to get complicated. I usually just leave at that point. Seeing as I have 5 different tanks, penalty times are not a problem for me.

ForzaRammer

albesca wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

No 15k is not a lot, 15k is well below average. i puged lots of dungeon, at least in vet dungeon que the median dps is about 25k now. If you pug, you better expect to pull your own weight because pugs are not ppl selling carries in craglorn.

Just for the sake of precision, a median DPS of 25K means that you a random DPS is as likely to be worse than that as it is to be better; maybe what you're thinking of is a mode (that is, the most likely value) of 25k DPS.

Also, it's kind of important to specify that you're talking about veteran difficulty, because I sometimes pug in normal dungeons as a healer and 15k DPS is quite above average there

i did specifically put 'vet dungeon que' in the sentence you quoted

ForzaRammer

Michaelkeir wrote: »

As a main tank myself I agree...blue portals are the worst. But I usually just give it a go.

Low dps is a pain as well. But I don't insta kick if their CP is low. I wait and see how fast they kill mobs on the way to the boss. If it takes too long on trash....i start to see where the low dps is coming from. After that I either vote kick or leave. I normally pug vet dlc dungeons and if you as a dps enter those with low dps and no idea of the mechanics...my tolerance level is low.

I can teach the mechanics...I normally be on mic and talk people through those....but low dps is hard to teach in the middle of vetMHK.

From my experience low dps tend to travel with a friend so kicking them tends to get complicated. I usually just leave at that point. Seeing as I have 5 different tanks, penalty times are not a problem for me.

Free loaders often come in pairs. Especially high cp ones, they been abusing the system for way too long. They know que in pair prevent them from being kicked, they will wait some l33t healer carry them, any healer who don't want to carry them, they just say 'you can leave', d bags won't even kick the healer.

albesca

ForzaRammer wrote: »

i did specifically put 'vet dungeon que' in the sentence you quoted

Yes, but that specific came out only on the second page of the thread instead of, you know, in the OP.

Anyway, I agree that those that queue for random vet dungeon should have a basic understanding of their class and role, appropriate gear and some kind of rotation, but on the other hand until you face some challenge you may ignore your weaknesses, so maybe some of the inadequate DDs are just venturing into vet content for the first time

AlnilamE

OP, one way you can probably avoid 99% of incomplete groups is to queue with one other person. The chances of an ongoing group needing exactly your composition (be it Tank/DPS or Tank/Healer) are much smaller than them only needing a tank.

Salvas_Aren

xeha_arwen11 wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

As healer I know how you feel.
I was patient before, try to explain and carry them by slotting dps ability.

Not anymore, their is way to much DPS in this game that are insanely bad.
And yeah, doing less than 20k is insanely bad.

Idc if they just do easy vet or normal DG.
But hell stop come at DLC vet, all member want have fun their not here to carry your ***, that NOT how a team work.

Now I only queue with at least 1 DPs friend so we can carry most of the bad player in easy content and even some harder.
But if we hit hard vDLC I'll kick him before the 1st boss. Not here to waste time, I'm here to have fun.

People probably gonna say I'm rude, IDC, I've try to teach way to much guy, I'm sick of it, especially when you see them do the same mistake again and again.
These player who don't know how and when to interrupt, block, dodge and get out of obvious AoE => Tutorial level btw.

Don't go alone in DG finder @ForzaRammer , that the only way to not have bad time.

Holy crap you're such a toxic elitist. Your attitude is abysmal as well as your view of people who don't play what you consider "skilled enough".

Saying lower than 20k is INSANELY bad is one of the most elitist things I've heard lately. Bad dps is 5k. 15k is something I see a lot. It's not bad. A lot of people work hard at this game and never get past 15k dps. There's no need for you to viciously insult them and their hard work.

If you want nothing but wonderful dps for your vet dlc, then do it with a full guild team. If you pug, that means you better expect that dps won't be stellar. Kicking someone because their dps doesn't meet your ridiculously inflated standard is the height of toxic and elitist.

This game never stops with the toxicity. Like a damn endless abyss.

If you fail at DPS try another role. Maybe your healing or tanking skill is extraordinary.

ForzaRammer

ZonasArch wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

I got put into half way done dungeons time to time. They are the worst, at least from my exp as a tank.

I que as real tank, i like fast que and i am not good as dps. I do my part and I expect others to do theirs.

Issue to me is, most half done dungeons are harder and team often has at least 1 dps doing low AF damage. I need to wipe with them a few times b4 I convince them to kick. If 2 potatoes block kick for each other, there is no kicking. I basically just wasted my time.

I don’t understand why can’t the team kick the bad dps b4 they get me. They should know the dps is low AF and most likely can’t clear.

Plz don’t tell me I should put on some dps gear and carry them. I don’t know how to do good dps, it’s not my responsibility and I don’t want to carry them.

The problem is not the players, its the dumb design decisions to make dungeons 4 man. A 5 man party (if they servers can handle it) would allow for more DPS, less finger pointing by elitists and should be able to carry 2 low dps.

The design HAS to allow for some shortcomings within the player base. Unfortunately the 4 man dungeon does not allow for this. I would love to hear a thought out answer by the dev who suggested the reason for the 4 man group, because I am not finding any logical reasons outside of performance that it should be this way.

Eh, wow has 5 man dungeon, do you honestly think low dps get carried in wow?

Go play wow.


I need a doctor to inject me with anti venom. The toxic level in OP is too damn high and had me contaminated. Guys? Can anyone help?

I mean clearly i don't want to get put together with the potatoes, if potatoes don't want to be in the same que as me, why can't there just be 2 ques then.

kargen27

I would like there to be an option that allows us to only queue for dungeons that haven't been partially done. I know if everybody did this it would really suck for groups that lose a member but I think there are enough players that don't mind getting into a running dungeon. They want the bonus XP so where they come in doesn't matter. I want to start at the front. I don't really care how good or bad the group is I just don't like coming in on the middle.

Kali_Despoine

xeha_arwen11 wrote: »

Saying lower than 20k is INSANELY bad is one of the most elitist things I've heard lately.

My endgame guild requires at least 50k to run w/ them so your 20k is nothing compared to the real elites of this game.
Your virtue signaling is toxic to me.

I have helped everyone that wants help,
I have made gear for strangers just so they can have the right tools of the trade to win
I help w/ mechanics and called them out for people
I have dragged low knowledge players: tank, heals and dps through some of the toughest content there is
I have sat for hours wiping and losing battles
I have switched toons even though I might need it on the toon I queued with
I pug dungeons all the time. It's the challenge to get in a mediocre group and slug it out and hear them get as excited as I did the first time I completed said dungeon that I like.

I do this because I to was once like you all new and shinny with no clue how to do dungeons
But if you don't want to listen then I kick you right the f out or leave.

As for the (OP) I have felt this before. Normally its a pair from PvP still wearing their PvP gear thinking they will do just as good in a vDungeon as they do in BG or Cyrodill. This is false, you will suck in PvE w/ your PvP gear and CP placed for player vs player.
inb4 "but I'm great at PvE on my PvP set" Sure but you could be even better if you were set right.