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How different would the ES series if Khajiit where Dog people ?
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✭✭The cat has a very special significance in the human culture, because the cats protected granaries and households from mice. This was crucial to early communities especially large ones. Probably large cities would have not existed in antiquity without the domestication of cats.
For the Egyptians it was so important, they even had a cat goddess, Bastet, which was the goddess of the home, domesticity, women's secrets, cats, fertility, and childbirth. There is a crown store furnishing with a Ra-gada gilded cat, which is very much like the sculptures of Bastet.
Dogs were important too, but it seems that cats fascinated people more.
So, with all this being said, I think dog-khajiit would have been less interesting.
I know a lot of people are dog lovers they have dog pets and perhaps (some) hate cats, but this is not about which pets you like, is how the cat as a symbol has a deeper meaning compared to the dog (cats are associated with the unconscious, dreams, black magic, secrets, bad luck, etc).[PC/EU] Tamriel Hero, Stormproof, Grand Master Crafter3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The cat has a very special significance in the human culture, because the cats protected granaries and households from mice. This was crucial to early communities especially large ones. Probably large cities would have not existed in antiquity without the domestication of cats.
For the Egyptians it was so important, they even had a cat goddess, Bastet, which was the goddess of the home, domesticity, women's secrets, cats, fertility, and childbirth. There is a crown store furnishing with a Ra-gada gilded cat, which is very much like the sculptures of Bastet.
Dogs were important too, but it seems that cats fascinated people more.
So, with all this being said, I think dog-khajiit would have been less interesting.
I know a lot of people are dog lovers they have dog pets and perhaps (some) hate cats, but this is not about which pets you like, is how the cat as a symbol has a deeper meaning compared to the dog (cats are associated with the unconscious, dreams, black magic, secrets, bad luck, etc).
Ah yes this one knows Bast and has a little statue of her very nearby.
If you associate the dog with the wolf, as ancient travellers did, then it is fair to say also that there is very significant symbolism there too.
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Pacrooti admires your persistence. There are no crates for you. Purchase more if you wish to try againEdited by Zatox on October 23, 2019 10:10AM6 -
kinguardian✭✭✭✭If Khajit were altered to be dog people, nothing would HAVE to FUNCTIONALLY change - they could still have the same culture, same architecture, same accent and cultural speech quirks and whatnot...but I don't think they would.
For whatever reason, we (western/eastern gamer culture) are comfortable with the idea of cats (and by extension cat people) being quirky, sneaky, thiefy-type people as a whole culture. We also seem to be quite comfortable associating them with more african/middle eastern desert-style motifs (probably cuzza the whole egyptian cat culture expectation we have).
I suspect, that if we altered them to be dog people, we'd have different basic expectations about the Khajiit culture - we'd expect them to have different cultural priorities (that we more commonly associate with dogs), like pack behavior, and alpha chiefs, and such. We'd probably pick architecture and a biome of the world to call home that we more commonly associate with dogs (maybe we'd go wolf-like and associate them with northern wastes and snowy climes, or we'd go domestic dog and, I dunno, maybe associate them with the more temperate european-like zones).
I dunno where we'd go with speech styles, but I suspect we'd make the dog-people less cagey, and probably more straightforward, if not downright doofy like scooby doo or any of a hundred other comical dog stereotypes that we're used to.
Sadly, I feel like western/eastern gamer culture tend to see dogs as simple (if not downright dumb), or, alternatively, loyal and upright (probably almost to a fault). I'm not quite sure how we got these visions of dogs, and people with strongly ingrained cultural perspectives from outside the mainstream us, europe, and china/japan, might have...significantly different expectations about anthropomorphized dog-people, but it might be interesting to hear the expectations some people have from other cultures about what an uplifted dog-like race would be like in a fantasy setting
If you want to stay in the same environment culture type they would have to go with breeds like the pharaoh hound, podenco, basenji etc etc
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...if you think the old egyptians had no canine god to balance the feline Bastet, well, Anubis would like a word with you!For the Egyptians it was so important, they even had a cat goddess, Bastet, which was the goddess of the home, domesticity, women's secrets, cats, fertility, and childbirth. There is a crown store furnishing with a Ra-gada gilded cat, which is very much like the sculptures of Bastet.
Dogs were important too, but it seems that cats fascinated people more.
(it is really interesting considering how those two were almost counterparts - old doggie-head was the god of death, mummification, embalming, the afterlife, cemeteries, tombs, and the underworld, as opposed to Bastets more birth focussed portfolio)
So, I daresay dogs fascinated as many people as cats ever did - just different people, in different ways. It could be argued that men as herd animal generally feel a bit more kinship with dogs, which might explain why "difficult to understand" cats are more often tasked with portraying an seperate race in fantasy or scifi...
But as has been mentioned, TES covered the doggos with lycantropy, as do a great many fantasy backgrounds.
Some others have canine races, be is D&D gnolls (though those have more hyena features anyhow if you ask me) to kobolds in some asian fantasy backgrounds, to anime kemonomimi wolf-people of various kinds... but most worldbuilders that have werewolves don't look for any other doggo bit in their setting.
In the end, the point is pretty moot anyhow. The original developers decided they wanted a feline-ish race, so that is what the khajiit are. Perhaps someday they will flesh out some forgotten corner of nirn, and we will see a canine race as well... could work with Atmora for example, noone really knows what it still left unfrozen up there...2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »Hard to imaging
You mean the Lilmothiit not having been eradicated by a plot device?
Point of order: The Lilmothii were fox people, not, strictly, dogs.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »JamieAubrey wrote: »Hard to imaging
You mean the Lilmothiit not having been eradicated by a plot device?
Point of order: The Lilmothii were fox people, not, strictly, dogs.
Well, Foxes and Dogs are both Canids. I figured that would be close enough for the Dog lovers.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »JamieAubrey wrote: »Hard to imaging
You mean the Lilmothiit not having been eradicated by a plot device?
Point of order: The Lilmothii were fox people, not, strictly, dogs.
Well, Foxes and Dogs are both Canids. I figured that would be close enough for the Dog lovers.
Or as Imgur likes to put it, "Cat software running on dog hardware."3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Eh, I like dogs. We've always had dogs. Hunting breeds, as we've always hunted, not only birds (why we have hunting dogs duh) but deer and elk - which where we live you do NOT hunt with dogs.
However, I LOVE cats. Unreservedly. If there were not Khajiit in ESO, I probably would never have played the games.0 -
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✭If Khajit were altered to be dog people, nothing would HAVE to FUNCTIONALLY change - they could still have the same culture, same architecture, same accent and cultural speech quirks and whatnot...but I don't think they would.
For whatever reason, we (western/eastern gamer culture) are comfortable with the idea of cats (and by extension cat people) being quirky, sneaky, thiefy-type people as a whole culture. We also seem to be quite comfortable associating them with more african/middle eastern desert-style motifs (probably cuzza the whole egyptian cat culture expectation we have).
I suspect, that if we altered them to be dog people, we'd have different basic expectations about the Khajiit culture - we'd expect them to have different cultural priorities (that we more commonly associate with dogs), like pack behavior, and alpha chiefs, and such. We'd probably pick architecture and a biome of the world to call home that we more commonly associate with dogs (maybe we'd go wolf-like and associate them with northern wastes and snowy climes, or we'd go domestic dog and, I dunno, maybe associate them with the more temperate european-like zones).
I dunno where we'd go with speech styles, but I suspect we'd make the dog-people less cagey, and probably more straightforward, if not downright doofy like scooby doo or any of a hundred other comical dog stereotypes that we're used to.
Sadly, I feel like western/eastern gamer culture tend to see dogs as simple (if not downright dumb), or, alternatively, loyal and upright (probably almost to a fault). I'm not quite sure how we got these visions of dogs, and people with strongly ingrained cultural perspectives from outside the mainstream us, europe, and china/japan, might have...significantly different expectations about anthropomorphized dog-people, but it might be interesting to hear the expectations some people have from other cultures about what an uplifted dog-like race would be like in a fantasy setting
Dogs are seen as loyal, so maybe a dog race would be an honour and loyalty driven culture. Knights that always fight fair and never betray their king sort of thing.0 -
Vanos444✭✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »Hard to imaging
Not at all...
Only, you might get comments of wow clone races instead. Worgen.Edited by Vanos444 on October 26, 2019 4:37AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »How different would the ES series if Khajiit where Dog people ?
They'd be compliant, obedient slaves with neither the capacity to think for themselves nor the will to fight for a life without a collar.
Cats are a much better choice ...
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✭✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »How different would the ES series if Khajiit where Dog people ?
They'd be compliant, obedient slaves with neither the capacity to think for themselves nor the will to fight for a life without a collar.
Cats are a much better choice ...
You just gotta stoke the bees nest huh Andy.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Probably be just as irritating to be honest, I always thought that anthropomorphism in fantasy writing was trite at best.
But beyond that the type of people it attracts is an issue with me personally, I have yet to see a Furry that wasn't also a thespian gamer, which can get ridiculous at times.
There is something demented about a player that refuses to break character.
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kamimark✭✭✭✭Dogs, not so much, but Wolves make reasonable cultures. There's a tabletop RPG, Palladium Fantasy with a well-developed Wolfen Empire:
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✭JamieAubrey wrote: »Hard to imaging
Not at all...
Only, you might get comments of wow clone races instead. Worgen.
One thing. Elder Scrolls Lore presides WoW lore by 10 years and Khajiit existed before those dog (Wogren or something) made their appeared in Warcraft lore. And doubt anyone would want to look like this
instead of like this
Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on October 26, 2019 10:10AM0 -
Seperatist✭✭✭Just less furrys throwing moneys to zos
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✭Seperatist wrote: »Just less furrys throwing moneys to zos
Look Khajiit looks after fur to be clean. So has to buy good expensive detergents from somewhere. Also has good taste in furniture and fashion.
Dogs would be running around in mud and sht and won't care less.
Let alone pee on every tree, which would make them enemies of the Bosmer Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on October 26, 2019 1:15PM0 -
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You just gotta stoke the bees nest huh Andy.
They'd be compliant, obedient slaves with neither the capacity to think for themselves nor the will to fight for a life without a collar.JamieAubrey wrote: »How different would the ES series if Khajiit where Dog people ?
Cats are a much better choice ...
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