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*Looks at a Nightblade*
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »
This is the reason why, despite Shadowy Disguise being the strongest ability in the game, the best and most dangerous NBs I’ve ever faught have used the Dark Cloak morph.
I see what you’re saying but the meta changes fast. Even if the class doesn’t change, sets and other classes do.
Magblades and Stamblades had their time of out the shadows but I think it’s over, it’s back to Shadowy Disguise and I almost never see brawlers anymore.
Dark cloak doesn’t show up on the buff bar. I don’t know if it’s broken and doesn’t give minor protection, someone said they tested it and it doesn’t. The heal definitely works, just the protection part I’m not sure about. That would explain what most magblades at least are seeing.Edited by Iskiab on October 20, 2019 12:17AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Abyssmol✭✭✭✭✭cloak
*walks toward a nightblade*
cloak
*moves to attack a nightblade*
cloak
*walks away annoyed from a nightblade*
cloak
*uses evil hunter / magelight / revealing flair on a nightblade?. . .*
. . . laughs in cloak
in all seriousness this is some dumb stuff, skirmishing and you get tagged by an arrow or spell so you turn and go "oh okay a tussle lets go
" and then the person just cloaks and you just stand there like ". . .I thought we were going to fight? 
They are the hide and seek class...most NB I fight, I only get to see their back side because they are always running away...we play stealth as our defense, if you delete our stealth we die.
that how it is in every mmo and all single player games as well, stealth is a way of life even in the military.
if you dont like it then dont fight us. but insulting us on the forums is not called for.
The problem is that your class doesn't fight. It runs and hides! Your class start a fight and then hides.
I mean, half the players in Cyrodiil run around rocks and trees and towers, or you get them to 20% health before they run for LoS before they reset the fight. This is nothing new, and certainly not contained just in the nightblade class. They just do it easier.
Always get a kick when this line of thinking is brought up. "Doesn't fight...runs away..." You've just described every player who's below 20% health in Cyrodiil. Everyone so afraid to die in this game, but sure...let's just keep pretending it's only nightblades because that class has a tool that makes it easier.
By the way, you know invisibility potions are craftable, right? You too can "cloak", and on any class. Let's see how easy it is for you to escape when you have someone right on top of you.
Yes, this is just a game, so why afraid to die in a 1V1. In the time I have played this game, I have encountered two NB that stands and fight and does not run away (NA Xbox). I have died many times to these two NBs but I still look for them to fight them.
On the other hand, most of the NBs I see now start the fight and then hide ( not at 20% health); hit you again then hide, are in trouble... (at or below 20 % health) guess it hide again... that's all they do hide and run. I made a build just for them, so I do like to fight them. For anyone that is having trouble fighting a NB, get Overwhelming Surge- this set gets them out of stealth in a 12 meters radius.
I don't need invisibility potions to fight someone in a 1V1! I'm not talking about a zerg attacking a NB. I'm talking about 1V1. And what is your point about invisibility pots anyway? NB can cloak many time in a 45 seconds window while invisibility pots are one time only with a 45 seconds cooldown.
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Fur_like_snow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Using cloak as your main defensive actually hinders you’re ability to play the game at a higher level.3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fur_like_snow wrote: »Using cloak as your main defensive actually hinders you’re ability to play the game at a higher level.
that is simply false.
if that were true i would not have been here now for 6+ Years.
stealth hinders nothing.
im here for stealth gameplay.4 -
Fur_like_snow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lmao. [removed baiting comment] Sadly most NBs never learned to play their class without over relying on cloak. The best NBs I’ve ever fought used the other morph.Edited by ZOS_JesC on October 20, 2019 1:00PM2 -
Crucified4sin✭✭✭I love how everyone is ragging on stealth.. I mean isn't that the single most move that assassins can relate to?
Haven't assassins throughout history fallen back on thier ability for subterfuge? Relying upon thier ability to attack unseen, unheard, and unknown?
Is the night blade class not supposed to represent the assassin?
It is what it is ladies and gentlemen.
Learn it, live it , love it
Edited by Crucified4sin on October 20, 2019 3:47AM4 -
Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Crucified4sin wrote: »I love how everyone is ragging on stealth.. I mean isn't that the single most move that assassins can relate to?
Haven't assassins throughout history fallen back on thier ability for subterfuge? Relying upon thier ability to attack unseen, unheard, and unknown?
Is the night blade class not supposed to represent the assassin?
It is what it is ladies and gentlemen.
Learn it, live it , love it
Except Shadowy Disguise requires zero subtly or subterfuge in order to use. You press the magic button and then nobody can target you with abilities.
You, as a player, don’t need to be clever at all because you just to click a single spell to completely disengage from any combat unless your opponent knows exactly where you are AND happens to have one of the exact hard counters for invisibility.
Nightblade, as most people play it in pvp, operates like a barbarian from most fantasy games. High power, low finesse.1 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »Except Shadowy Disguise requires zero subtly or subterfuge in order to use. You press the magic button and then nobody can target you with abilities.
You, as a player, don’t need to be clever at all because you just to click a single spell to completely disengage from any combat unless your opponent knows exactly where you are AND happens to have one of the exact hard counters for invisibility.
Nightblade, as most people play it in pvp, operates like a barbarian from most fantasy games. High power, low finesse.
If you can survive with purely Cloak, you are fighting trash opponents or are fighting Xv1. Try to rely on Cloak in 1vX and you will get torn apart unless you are good at positioning and at using Shade to complement Cloak.
Also, Cloak isn't exactly cheap to sustain btw. It costs the same as Fossilize, Mist, Streak etc (all of which are considered high cost skills). Reason, it can spammed by NBs is that chances are the NB is building for higher magicka sustain just to keep a feasable Cloak uptime.
It is pretty easy to stay on top of an NB as long as your class/build has enough mobility to match that of an NB and some skill that consistently breaks Cloak like Curse/Backlash. If you don't have that mobility, don't expect to finish off an NB just like you will never keep up with a streaking magsorc with poor mobility.
I see all this crying over Cloak and majority of it is due to the fact that people don't consider the fact that NB builds are wildly different from other classes. NB builds usually have zero defense but high damage and sustain. That fact that NBs build for zero defense, means they survive by avoiding damage rather than mitigate it. Put any good NB build items on another class and it won't work for the most part. You might say, why not drop some damage for defense. Well, traditionally people play NBs to play like Assassins not Warriors, i.e. to kill their foes super fast and escape. Bursting down enemies in 5 seconds or less in this tanky meta requires investing everything in damage. If you invest in defense enough to survive without Cloak, everything will also hit like a wet noodle except maybe Bow Proc and fights will be long. Using vBRP DW is the only exception and only due to how broken Major Protection on demand is.
Dark Cloak NBs play significantly different from traditional NBs and used to rely on things like bleeds, Heroic Slash all of which have been nerfed. You can still run a brawlerblade with Dizzying Swing and after the nerf, it won't be worth using over Surprise Attack either. Brawlerblades in this meta are still better off running Shadow Disguise and investing in higher damage as tankiness is at an all time high.
Basically the issue here is that most people playing NBs prefer low TTK in a meta where everybody else is building to survive as long as possible. We don't necessarily want to play fair and give you a decent chance to survive. It is the contrary actually, more tankier the meta gets the higher we will invest in damage to burst you down asap.
Also, about that finesse, play an NB and try solo killing people in zergs and getting away with it consistently. You won't till you learn to evade damage and maneuvering like all other classes need to. The majority NBs you are talking about are also the ones that doesn't kill anything outside of low CP newbies, unless they outnumber the enemy. All they can do is poke someone, get counter attacked, realize they are going to die and try to cloak away. They get away with it only when the enemy is just as dumb. Good NBs can kill anyone regardless of how tanky they are and get away with it, which takes more finesse than any other playstyle. (Snipers are the only exception and yes, I agree it is a broken playstyle that rewards a lot more for the effort it takes to play it succesfully when built for it)13 -
Rahar✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine.
In fact, it's probably one of the worst defense skills in the game. You can't counter any other class entirely just by the use of a potion. As a bit of an addendum and proof, this is why magblade is struggling. Of course, that doesn't change the fact that nightblade is a noob slayer.NeRf MaGsOrC2 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just use reveal pots. If you use a reveal pot and stay on them it's free ap 80% of the time. I just think people refuse to use the counters to stealth and would rather cry for more nerfs.4 -
evoniee✭✭✭✭there is no reason for normal build go dark cloak. if you want something like that play stam dk and press cauterize or any real face to face class.2 -
Somers23✭✭Lmfao they can't tell if a cloaker is nearby, they cloak cause the min they get caught jab jab jab1
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Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I just use reveal pots. If you use a reveal pot and stay on them it's free ap 80% of the time. I just think people refuse to use the counters to stealth and would rather cry for more nerfs.
if the counters to stealth worked I think NB's would cry.
the skill based counters don't seem to work even when you hit them right in a NB face, and even AoE and Jabs you have to be on point about being on the NB bum to actually drag them out.
the only real answer anyone can ever bring up is detect pots.
congrats, you got about 10 seconds to counter 1 NB skill, better hope he does not use all the others / potions / dodge roll / etc during that window then stealth up anyway.
have fun.ESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.2 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just use reveal pots. If you use a reveal pot and stay on them it's free ap 80% of the time. I just think people refuse to use the counters to stealth and would rather cry for more nerfs.
if the counters to stealth worked I think NB's would cry.
the skill based counters don't seem to work even when you hit them right in a NB face, and even AoE and Jabs you have to be on point about being on the NB bum to actually drag them out.
the only real answer anyone can ever bring up is detect pots.
congrats, you got about 10 seconds to counter 1 NB skill, better hope he does not use all the others / potions / dodge roll / etc during that window then stealth up anyway.
have fun.
So basically you are rock and you want paper removed from the game so you can keep beating scissors. It's people like you...Edited by Dr_Ganknstein on October 23, 2019 9:11PM5 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stealth counter doesn't neccessary equal nightblade counter. I have the feeling people who claim "stealth counters don't work" expect those skills to instantly kill every nightblade within a 40m radius arround them without allowing any counterplay and are then disappointed when it doesn't work like this.
NBs who solely rely on stealth to survive are usually very easy to kill. NBs who survive cloak counters do so, because they use additional defense and they run additional defense because cloak gets countered all the time (intended and unintended).Edited by Rianai on October 23, 2019 7:38PM5 -
Rahar✭✭✭✭I just use reveal pots. If you use a reveal pot and stay on them it's free ap 80% of the time. I just think people refuse to use the counters to stealth and would rather cry for more nerfs.
if the counters to stealth worked I think NB's would cry.
the skill based counters don't seem to work even when you hit them right in a NB face, and even AoE and Jabs you have to be on point about being on the NB bum to actually drag them out.
the only real answer anyone can ever bring up is detect pots.
congrats, you got about 10 seconds to counter 1 NB skill, better hope he does not use all the others / potions / dodge roll / etc during that window then stealth up anyway.
have fun.
But they are complaining.
Magicka nightblade especially. A lot of players are coming to terms with the fact that this resource/class combo just doesn't perform outside of duels, including a lot of the higher MMR ones. A lot of skills have AoE attached as an afterthought (I'm looking at you, jabs, boundless storm, and dk armor) and one tick and a little prediction can mean a Nightblade is wholly or at least partly countered without the use of a potion. This is, for the most part, fine. It's counterplay. Nightblade just needs something else to fall back on for defense, and they don't have it yet.
What I would stop considering to be fine is the accessibility, duration, and effectiveness of detect potions. We're completely ignoring that there's an issue with the big red detect boogieman eye showing up over players that use detect pots. If the use of a potion reliably put this and a detect radius on a player, like a harmful AoE does for the most part, I think detect pots would be fine. As it is now, though, you don't know until it's too late.
Being unable to catch a nightblade when he figures out you have a detect pot on is kind of your own fault. I hate saying that because there's so little proof to back it up, but I've never had a problem catching them unless they had shade or something up and were expecting it. And that, too, is fine.NeRf MaGsOrC0 -
Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stealth counter doesn't neccessary equal nightblade counter. I have the feeling people who claim "stealth counters don't work" expect those skills to instantly kill every nightblade within a 40m radius arround them without allowing any counterplay and are then disappointed when it doesn't work like this.
NBs who solely rely on stealth to survive are usually very easy to kill. NBs who survive cloak counters do so, because they use additional defense and they run additional defense because cloak gets countered all the time (intended and unintended).
that argument goes both ways, everyone says "use detect pots" like once you do the nightblade dies.
imagine having cloak spam on top of all the additional defenses available in game. some people are impossible to kill without also being invisible.
ESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.0 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stealth counter doesn't neccessary equal nightblade counter. I have the feeling people who claim "stealth counters don't work" expect those skills to instantly kill every nightblade within a 40m radius arround them without allowing any counterplay and are then disappointed when it doesn't work like this.
NBs who solely rely on stealth to survive are usually very easy to kill. NBs who survive cloak counters do so, because they use additional defense and they run additional defense because cloak gets countered all the time (intended and unintended).
that argument goes both ways, everyone says "use detect pots" like once you do the nightblade dies.
imagine having cloak spam on top of all the additional defenses available in game. some people are impossible to kill without also being invisible.
It's like you are a bishop in a chess game and you want to be able to kill the knight that's directly in front of you so you cry to the chess rule makers to allow your bishop to do so instead of out playing your opponents.2 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stealth counter doesn't neccessary equal nightblade counter. I have the feeling people who claim "stealth counters don't work" expect those skills to instantly kill every nightblade within a 40m radius arround them without allowing any counterplay and are then disappointed when it doesn't work like this.
NBs who solely rely on stealth to survive are usually very easy to kill. NBs who survive cloak counters do so, because they use additional defense and they run additional defense because cloak gets countered all the time (intended and unintended).
that argument goes both ways, everyone says "use detect pots" like once you do the nightblade dies.
imagine having cloak spam on top of all the additional defenses available in game. some people are impossible to kill without also being invisible.
Any class can be unkillable/stalemate 1vs1 by playing defensive, this has nothing to do with nb or cloak. Doesn't even need to be a full tank build.Edited by Rianai on October 23, 2019 11:56PM3 -
Neoauspex✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just use reveal pots. If you use a reveal pot and stay on them it's free ap 80% of the time. I just think people refuse to use the counters to stealth and would rather cry for more nerfs.
if the counters to stealth worked I think NB's would cry.
the skill based counters don't seem to work even when you hit them right in a NB face, and even AoE and Jabs you have to be on point about being on the NB bum to actually drag them out.
the only real answer anyone can ever bring up is detect pots.
congrats, you got about 10 seconds to counter 1 NB skill, better hope he does not use all the others / potions / dodge roll / etc during that window then stealth up anyway.
have fun.
So basically you are rock and you want paper removed from the game so you can keep beating scissors. It's people like you...
... That got wings nerfed so Nightblades could beat rock? Hmmmm0 -
DUTCH_REAPER✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gentlemen GENTLEMEN!!! The real enemy....is lag. And besides true end game content is zone chat. 😆1 -
Crucified4sin✭✭✭DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »Gentlemen GENTLEMEN!!! The real enemy....is lag. And besides true end game content is zone chat. 😆
Haha, so true.
Zone chat is a rabbit hole better left undiscovered 🤣0 -
nryerson1025✭✭✭✭Streak
*walks toward a magsorc*
Streak, dark conversion
*moves to attack a magsorc*
Streak streak streak
*walks away annoyed from a magsorc*
Put back into combat by haunting curse then, streak streak
*Chases a magsorc . . .*
. . . Streak streak failed magsorc burst streak streak
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Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nryerson1025 wrote: »Streak
*walks toward a magsorc*
Streak, dark conversion
*moves to attack a magsorc*
Streak streak streak
*walks away annoyed from a magsorc*
Put back into combat by haunting curse then, streak streak
*Chases a magsorc . . .*
. . . Streak streak failed magsorc burst streak streak
that's one of the reasons I don't play sorc, its very easy to find the coward classes with run away buttons, NB and Sorc man.ESO player since beta.
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Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ofc hiding behind allies is sign of much greater bravery.
I solo exclusively, and no meta is ever going to change that, even if I have to get run over by meta humping zerglings ill still go down fighting and trying to take as many of them with me as I can, because I am a knight.ESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.1 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Your knighthood must be really intimidating then, if there is so much running and hiding from you.1 -
JinxxND✭✭✭✭there is no reason for normal build go dark cloak. if you want something like that play stam dk and press cauterize or any real face to face class.
I play a high damage dark cloak build in non CP with 0 defensive sets and do just fine, and still enjoy NB gameplay with with setting up burst damage with relentless, using our passives with crit which help with healing (vigor/dark cloak ticks) as well as damage, and actually being able to help teammates in BG's at high mmr more then any cloakblade will ever with just trying to gank one person probably with snipe and run to the opposite side of the map away anytime your health goes below 90%. It's a totally viable playstyle you just have to actually manage buffs like any good player, uses skills like vigor in advance and throughout a fight. You can still be extremely evasive and harder to kill with the NB kit with dark cloak and skills like summon shade.Edited by JinxxND on October 25, 2019 2:25AMPC NA -
'Jinxx - Nightblade
'Jinxx X Necromancer1 -
Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Your knighthood must be really intimidating then, if there is so much running and hiding from you.
I like how you have attempted to devolve a topic about the cheesiest skill in the entire game into personal dismissiveness, bravo, very petty of you, im sure your very tough in pvp with /whisper from stealth a mile away.
checked out your forum threads. (all 8 of them)
one complaining about cloak breaking (ahh so we know your a NB that spams cloak)
one complaining about NB ult getting a cast time.
and another complaining that cast times can be interrupted, though in this one you hid the fact that you were complaining about your NB ult again (so two I guess)
one complaining that you could not see the red eye of people using detect pots against you (HAHAHAHA) because cloak is hard am I rite
your bias is showing.
Edited by Wing on October 25, 2019 5:03AMESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.1