deLioncourt wrote: »

With everybody seemingly wanting to run Lokkestiiz and Relequen for Stam DPS..what method are people using to reach the penetration cap during trials/dungeons/arenas? Or reaching the penetration cap just not important anymore?

You get DR on pen around ~12k. But I think the cap is like 24k? Can't push above that with onslaught. Your DR around 12kish starts to favor wep dmg.

deLioncourt wrote: »

Did they up the cap to 24k from 18.4k?

Possibly, I've always pushed past 18k, 18k is just what bosses armor is at. I do PVP, people stack to 40k armor sometimes.

deLioncourt wrote: »

I'll ask one more time. With gear sets like LOKKE and RELEQUEN, how are people pushing towards 12k pene? PvE scenario

I just told you.
Maul - based off your armor, not enemy - gives 5k+ pen.
Lover - gives ~3k pen
Sharpened - gives 2.5k pen

That right here is ~11k

Now add minor/major fracture/breach that's an additional 2.5/5.5k

Now totaling ~16-17k.

Remove maul you're at 11-12k.

Add CP into this (not super value) +2-5k.

This is something that can be done by any class/gear. It's an addition, not focused on your sets.

Lol at these answers so far. You definitely want to hit 18.2k pen in Lokke and Rele. To do this you need a Sharpened dagger or axe in your off-hand for 1376 pen. The group supplies 12350 (Major and Minor Fracture, Alkosh, and Torugs Infused Crusher). The remaining 4474 can be obtained from Piercing CP, about 60 points IIRC. If you use Kraghs this is a little less (2987 from CP’s), but Maarselok is a better monster set.

If you’re a Necromancer then you also have a passive for 1500 pen, which means that you only need 2974 from Piercing (or 1487 if also using This is just one of the reasons many Stamina DPS choose Necromancer.

Don’t use a Mace or Maul, Daggers and Axes are far better. Don’t use Lover Stone, Shadow is too important.

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Lol at these answers so far. You definitely want to hit 18.2k pen in Lokke and Rele. To do this you need a Sharpened dagger or axe in your off-hand for 1376 pen. The group supplies 12350 (Major and Minor Fracture, Alkosh, and Torugs Infused Crusher). The remaining 4474 can be obtained from Piercing CP, about 60 points IIRC. If you use Kraghs this is a little less (2987 from CP’s), but Maarselok is a better monster set.

If you’re a Necromancer then you also have a passive for 1500 pen, which means that you only need 2974 from Piercing (or 1487 if also using This is just one of the reasons many Stamina DPS choose Necromancer.

Don’t use a Mace or Maul, Daggers and Axes are far better. Don’t use Lover Stone, Shadow is too important.

Yeah crit damage is a route you can go, but if your crit is bad you're just as bad.

But as I stated above minor+major already gives you 2.5k+5.5k which is 8k.

Then you add other group things you hit ~11-13k.

Then you can add the remainder from CP which I should note had DR starting at 70 so it scales rather well.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Maul - based off your armor, not enemy

What? Since when?

Always, you need an add-on to see this, but that's why Maul always felt raw and not increasing, this probably was a decision a while ago? It could be changed now but the pen add-ons all say maul pen is increased once equipped and looks to be drafted off your armor.

hakan wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

I'll ask one more time. With gear sets like LOKKE and RELEQUEN, how are people pushing towards 12k pene? PvE scenario

I just told you.
Maul - based off your armor, not enemy - gives 5k+ pen.
Lover - gives ~3k pen
Sharpened - gives 2.5k pen

That right here is ~11k

Now add minor/major fracture/breach that's an additional 2.5/5.5k

Now totaling ~16-17k.

Remove maul you're at 11-12k.

Add CP into this (not super value) +2-5k.

This is something that can be done by any class/gear. It's an addition, not focused on your sets.

nice trolling dude. you def gottem.

It's not trolling, those are routes. He also said himself hitting cap, not group.

While this is mainly for my experience in PVP, you can easily change it to PVE by removing Maul and Lover (which imo is actually v good) to go shadow and high CP.

The penetration cap? We're still just at the tip.

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Maul - based off your armor, not enemy

What? Since when?

Always, you need an add-on to see this, but that's why Maul always felt raw and not increasing, this probably was a decision a while ago? It could be changed now but the pen add-ons all say maul pen is increased once equipped and looks to be drafted off your armor.

This is wrong. It is just a UI error. The game reports to add-ons that it is 10/20% your armor but it is actually the armor of your enemies. Read more here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/432058/issue-with-api-and-heavy-weapons-passive

Ah, might never be fixed but also his supporting evidence is lacking. I can test today and see what does the best.

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Maul - based off your armor, not enemy

What? Since when?

Always, you need an add-on to see this, but that's why Maul always felt raw and not increasing, this probably was a decision a while ago? It could be changed now but the pen add-ons all say maul pen is increased once equipped and looks to be drafted off your armor.

This is wrong. It is just a UI error. The game reports to add-ons that it is 10/20% your armor but it is actually the armor of your enemies. Read more here-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/432058/issue-with-api-and-heavy-weapons-passive

Ah, might never be fixed but also his supporting evidence is lacking. I can test today and see what does the best.

The op of that thread is the creator of the combat metrics add-on, I think he know what is going on.

Ah, well he can't rely on ZOS to fix that, our API sucks lol

Thx for the note!

I've decided..... ESO pvp players are very much like vegans...