Billdor wrote: »

phermitgb wrote: »

absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.

You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone.

I guess the use of hyperbole flew right passed your head?

It wasn't hyperbole, it was the same alarmist freakout we get with every patch, and someone forgetting they don't speak for everyone.

teladoy wrote: »

This phenomenom happens in every single new DLC or Patch or Expansion or whatever in every MMO ever made.

My advice is to ignore almost everything what the people post, because they are not only the sames posts as always or absurd complains about how the game now is more dificult because they need to do heavy attacks in pve to sustain or they damage has been reduced, they are posts from people that is being very inmature, because the people that is mature and like things to be a challenge they are playing and ejoying the new Patch.

Of course there are things that may not be right, but being dramatic is not a good attitude.

Fixed that for you

solasub wrote: »

Absolutely everyone is complaining about that patch ; all classes of players, from casual to endgame, pve & pvp.
Zos is quite active on the forum, as we can see by the numerous mods actions.
So why Zos? Are you despiting so much your players that you think that those who actually play this game understand nothing to your great picture? Are you despiting so much your players that you just absolutely don't care about the fact you're breaking all the fun? Are you not seeing the complains everywhere? How can you ignore so much your customers??
I really cannot understand.
And yes, one more post ; but they still not answer. Sometimes delete or close the threat ; but not answer.

stop being a customer. it's the only thing you can do. I canceled my subscription and i played the new so called "DLC" for the story only, which is garbage. Don't invest anymore in something you don't want, like or doesn't deserve your money. Friendly advice not trying to push you.

Raideen wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

solasub wrote: »

Absolutely everyone is complaining about that patch ; all classes of players, from casual to endgame, pve & pvp.
Zos is quite active on the forum, as we can see by the numerous mods actions.
So why Zos? Are you despiting so much your players that you think that those who actually play this game understand nothing to your great picture? Are you despiting so much your players that you just absolutely don't care about the fact you're breaking all the fun? Are you not seeing the complains everywhere? How can you ignore so much your customers??
I really cannot understand.
And yes, one more post ; but they still not answer. Sometimes delete or close the threat ; but not answer.

The idea that the devs don't play their own game is ****ing hilarious to me. Granted, my perspective may be a bit warped, because I've actually met them, and run content in game with a few. But still.

That's explains why your opinon is so biased. You'd do them a better service by telling them the truth than warping your opinion to meet your "friends" needs. Bad is bad and if they get praise for bad work, then all that is getting done is polishing a turd.

Nah, my opinion is "biased" because I actually enjoy the game.

I also know some members of the team. I also know, for a fact, that they play.

Now., I realize this may be hard to grasp, but Rich, Finn, and Gina are genuinely likeable people in person.

The patch is a very mixed bag, there is good and bad.

But, surely no one can be OK with the increased costs that have smashed sustain on many builds and classes?

Can anyone explain how that is positive, or how its supposed to increase fun? Its a game, people want to use sparkly skills, its fun.

More experienced players will compensate by altering their build and including heavy attacks etc. But for the average casual gamer or new player, who just wants to have fun, use sparkly magic etc, this is going to hit them hard... which sadly seems to be an issue across several patches now.

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

*scratches head* I'm still trying to figure out what "despiting" is from the OP.

"Do you despise..."

I kinda get the feeling that English isn't the OP's native language.

starkerealm wrote: »

solasub wrote: »

Absolutely everyone is complaining about that patch ; all classes of players, from casual to endgame, pve & pvp.
Zos is quite active on the forum, as we can see by the numerous mods actions.
So why Zos? Are you despiting so much your players that you think that those who actually play this game understand nothing to your great picture? Are you despiting so much your players that you just absolutely don't care about the fact you're breaking all the fun? Are you not seeing the complains everywhere? How can you ignore so much your customers??
I really cannot understand.
And yes, one more post ; but they still not answer. Sometimes delete or close the threat ; but not answer.

The idea that the devs don't play their own game is ****ing hilarious to me. Granted, my perspective may be a bit warped, because I've actually met them, and run content in game with a few. But still.

Next time you meet them, please ask them if they enjoy spamming heavy attacks and being out of resources all the time. B/c if they do, that might explain a lot.

This patch was supposed to add diversity, not remove it. DoTs should have been reverted to pre-buff DoTs, they were perfectly fine and no one had a problem with them then. Instead they decide to standardize literally everything. The one good thing which came out of this patch was the snare changes (additive rather than multiplicative).

The game was good before (+2years ago), not 100% balanced ofc, but now it's WORST !
They wanted to balance it, and now we have only 3 playable/fun classes in pvp (templar, warden and NB).

@ZOS_BrianWheeler wtf are you doing ?

1) No I am not a forum's Cassandra ; I don't complain every patch ; so easy answer
.... when I tell everyone, is everyone I meet, I hear, I read ; complains on guild chat; zone chat, Discord, vocal conversations, are even worse than what you see on forums ; it's only the visible part of the Iceberg here.
Every day (and it's not an hyperbole), I receive news / message from more and more players, friends "I stop this game" ; "Sorry I couldn't join in raid anymore, this patch just killed the will" ; "I go back to WoW" etc ; raiding community is dying. That is a fact. I am playing since the beta ; I never saw such a situation.
2) Balanced game? LMAO ; ppl will play necro for those who don't stop ; we were happy to get some others classes in raid, some magicka dds.... ppl will abandon this variety. It was some End game guilds choice to go full necro but at least you had other choices ; not anymore.
3) Wall of Element : 4900 magicka.... nerfing the sustain by crazy numbers, such a poor way ; how will a tank manage it? Oh perhaps a tank should use only one sword and one shield.
4) that is nice to see people happy with the patch ; it will be nice to know their reasons, perhaps we could change our minds.
5) perhaps we are wrong ; but what I am speaking about here, it's the despite of Zos (so despising yes, sorry I am not english native) or at least how it feels for the players, and the silence. How can a company ignore so much negative flow? Yes, I see the game and the community I love are dying, and I feel sad. And I have now zero reason to give to people to convince them to stay. Everybody (everybody I KNOW) is depressed ; that is not the feeling we should have with a new patch.

I guess everyone has to adjust now. Less resource management means we ALL have to change the way we play. Can't spam...spam...spam anymore.

In PvP more tactics are to be used, if a templar keeps charging you then spams jabs use other abilities to keep them away. Too many NB sneaks, use mage light. Too many snipes use abilities to close the gap.

the only issue I see is in PvE with sustain. Peeps that can't cope will go to the race with the best sustain even more now killing race diversity. Breton and Redguards only. For others that learn to adapt and not play L33T builds will overcome this and have fun while doing HM Vet and Trials.

Then there are those that will complain just to complain. ZoS doesn't listen to those type of players. When their easy mode cookie cutter build gets nerfed, they move on to another or change MMo's and find an easy mode there. Sadly that's over half the players that play MMo pvp nowadays, no one wants to change....learn....adapt anymore, just spam spam spam.

My opinion anyway.

yeah skill cost is way to high now, can hardly keep sustain on my toons now

Stratti wrote: »

I can tell you the removal of Dizzy's cc has destroyed an entire playstyle

WOW!...an entire playstyle? Let me ask you this....before "that" playstyle was popular, what did you have? Not that correct? You played and created something that worked. So, whats stopping you from doing it again?! Make a NEW entire playstyle! You might have fun......