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Absolutely everyone is complaining about that patch ; all classes of players, from casual to endgame, pve & pvp.
Zos is quite active on the forum, as we can see by the numerous mods actions.
So why Zos? Are you despiting so much your players that you think that those who actually play this game understand nothing to your great picture? Are you despiting so much your players that you just absolutely don't care about the fact you're breaking all the fun? Are you not seeing the complains everywhere? How can you ignore so much your customers??
I really cannot understand.
And yes, one more post ; but they still not answer. Sometimes delete or close the threat ; but not answer.
Zos is quite active on the forum, as we can see by the numerous mods actions.
So why Zos? Are you despiting so much your players that you think that those who actually play this game understand nothing to your great picture? Are you despiting so much your players that you just absolutely don't care about the fact you're breaking all the fun? Are you not seeing the complains everywhere? How can you ignore so much your customers??
I really cannot understand.
And yes, one more post ; but they still not answer. Sometimes delete or close the threat ; but not answer.
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✭✭✭✭✭Absolutely everyone is complaining about that patch ; all classes of players, from casual to endgame, pve & pvp.
Zos is quite active on the forum, as we can see by the numerous mods actions.
So why Zos? Are you despiting so much your players that you think that those who actually play this game understand nothing to your great picture? Are you despiting so much your players that you just absolutely don't care about the fact you're breaking all the fun? Are you not seeing the complains everywhere? How can you ignore so much your customers??
I really cannot understand.
And yes, one more post ; but they still not answer. Sometimes delete or close the threat ; but not answer.
The idea that the devs don't play their own game is ****ing hilarious to me. Granted, my perspective may be a bit warped, because I've actually met them, and run content in game with a few. But still.16 -
phermitgb✭✭✭✭✭absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.
You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone."There is no correct resolution; It's a test of character."
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.
You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone.
I'm, legit, pretty happy about it overall. Granted, two of the classes I do play frequently just got some new toys...6 -
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.
You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone.
I'm, legit, pretty happy about it overall. Granted, two of the classes I do play frequently just got some new toys...
It's definitely a mixed bag. I'm not necessarily happy with pendulum style changes, but at least it shows they are trying to figure things out.
We still have a while before they are finished with the roadmap they gave us and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until then. If I end up not liking where combat and performance are by that time, I'll evaluate then."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard7 -
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✭✭absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.
You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone.
Yeah, I don't know where OP is getting off including me but count me out of that group. I am happy the spammy swing and dot meta is over. Now we have an opportunity to find other builds to run, which is the most fun things about the game imo.7 -
phermitgb✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.
You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone.
I'm, legit, pretty happy about it overall. Granted, two of the classes I do play frequently just got some new toys...
It's definitely a mixed bag. I'm not necessarily happy with pendulum style changes, but at least it shows they are trying to figure things out.
We still have a while before they are finished with the roadmap they gave us and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until then. If I end up not liking where combat and performance are by that time, I'll evaluate then.
Congratulations. You are at least 2 steps more rational than most of the people I've been reading (somewhat to my regret) on the forums in the last two days.
That's not a passive/aggressive attack, btw - I actually mean that as a compliment - sometimes things don't come across the way I want them to in text."There is no correct resolution; It's a test of character."
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✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.
You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone.
I'm, legit, pretty happy about it overall. Granted, two of the classes I do play frequently just got some new toys...
It's definitely a mixed bag. I'm not necessarily happy with pendulum style changes, but at least it shows they are trying to figure things out.
We still have a while before they are finished with the roadmap they gave us and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until then. If I end up not liking where combat and performance are by that time, I'll evaluate then.
Congratulations. You are at least 2 steps more rational than most of the people I've been reading (somewhat to my regret) on the forums in the last two days.
That's not a passive/aggressive attack, btw - I actually mean that as a compliment - sometimes things don't come across the way I want them to in text.
People have been very riled up on the boards, for most of this year. I mean, I'd say that's the normal state of the boards, but 2019 has been particularly volatile.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not complaining at all. I adjust to manage the stuff I do no matter what happens. *shrug* I lived over wow and rift and the stupidities there; it's not an issue for me here.
Then again, I'm not a min-maxer chasing meta. I don't EVER go there. I have fun in a given game - until I don't have fun any more, and then I'm done.
I'm not done here yet.7 -
phermitgb✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »People have been very riled up on the boards, for most of this year. I mean, I'd say that's the normal state of the boards, but 2019 has been particularly volatile.
You're also not wrong. Most MMO forums are predominantly complaints, and I suppose when I point out that the last few days seem unusually volatile to me, it's a combination of the fact that I'm returning to the game after a few months of inactivity (unrelated to balance changes or anything similar) AND that there seem to be a lot of overlap in the subjects of various threads in the last few days regarding the last patch.
But yah, you're not wrong - forums are generally a place for complaints, with the occasional rare compliment - I guess I just reached a point where I got tired of being implicitly lumped in with all the people complaining. I'm never 100% happy with ESO, but at least I recognize that the majority of my long-term disappointment with the game is usually subjective - the game doesn't do things the way "I" would want them to be done - doesn't mean the game is bad, doesn't mean the developers are lazy or greedy - just isn't being done quite the way I would do it if "I" had total power over game design.
That being said, there are actual, functional complaints to be had about ESO - I just get angry when people wildly ascribe the most ridiculously melodramatic reasons behind various changes with little to no evidence for them, and I also tend to get angry when people implicitly sign me up to support their own personal, usually subjective, complaints about the game.
So I guess I'm venting a little bit. But since the OP signed me up to support his thread without my permission, I feel entitled to co-opt the thread set the record straight."There is no correct resolution; It's a test of character."
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Zevrro✭✭✭✭They have their own vision and unfortunately are very bad at predicting how their changes will effect the game.@Zevrro PC-EU
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✭✭✭✭✭Er.... just so y'all know.... starkerealm wasn't the one who posted that bit you're quoting; that was phermitgb.... And phermitgb hasn't posted here a lot lately....3 -
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Ozby✭✭✭✭✭I think the nerf to skills is okay but increasing the cost was not the right way to go about reducing the players damage in this game tbh.PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭If ZOS is playing 4d chess and have a grand master strategy they better have it ready when the next chapter drops...otherwise i doubt the game will recover from it...
Honestly I dont see any reason to log in after i finish all the dragonhold quests either...3 -
DeathPK✭✭✭ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
After removing a few posts for baiting, we must remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil and constructive. Having conflicting opinions and views, and even debates, is completely fine. However, attacking one another is not acceptable. Please be sure that from here on all posts are kept within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to those rules, please feel free to view them here.
Thank you for your understanding,
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ok thats cool but are you going to respond to the post?8 -
deleted008293✭✭✭✭i don't see anything wrong with a new patch, good or bad. The only bad things I see are complains. Keep in mind that gameplay balances are not fixed but always a subject of change, sometimes it make something too op, something too weak, something it break out completely. Sometimes developers want to push towards a new direction. It is truly hard to keep everyone happy. So be more understanding.
One big issues however is allowing players to dictate the way in which the game should be balanced in their favor! In my opinion players should be asked for opinions but they should also make sure to COUNTER a specific sneaky decision to lets say allow someone to introduce a particular change in their favor, then use it then patch it.
If some skill changes are implemented to increase the server performance again I do not see anything to complain.
Server performances are also a sensible subject that we often do not understand, it can be just as simple as that 2 players from regions with slower internet access can affect each other latency. Networking problems. Structure problems. And I could go on. Give it a break. It is not that server is broken 24/7. Patch days are often problematic because how the data is managed and transferred. And ofc some other factors more or less visible. Stress test, often your own computer tend to slow down if you lets say open 2 tabs at once. Same goes for the servers. In some cases they can handle it in some cases not. Usually they recover within few hours.2 -
deleted008293✭✭✭✭Also keep in mind that we do actually NEED all those balance changes and here is one reason why.
People often find out how to lets say abuse a skill or build in their favor. In case of PvE we shouldn't care too much but it still affect the game. For example people will only run ONE class only raids and no longer willing to take a wider variety of class or players. vAS2 magblade parties, vSS necro parties. Just an example.
In PvP people again get to become too OP by using a certain class. One change and boom... other people will get their revenge and be able to fight back. Let it be!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Demoralizing. That's what this patch is.
Three patches in a row of blundering mistakes with a combat team that comes up with changes that seem like they rolled a six sided die to determine them.
And the worst part is that the combat team does not care about the common player. They said so, clearly. They wanted to lower the top end dps and did not care about how it effected the rest of the people playing the game. And compound that with that the combat team does not even do PvE content. (Can you believe that? The team that comes up with the rules for combat hates doing PvE. How were these guys put in charge of combat?)
So now we will have less people participating in end game activities. And we have people less excited about the game, just when some new games are coming on the market.
And what are the players left with, to redo their equipment to the new meta in the hopes that they will do 20%-25% less damage the they did before, if they are lucky. Yippee.
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deleted008293✭✭✭✭I only see the good in this. Having to farm sets again or transmutation crystals will only help the lower end player base to find faster and do more often such content.
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✭✭✭✭✭nordmarian wrote: »I only see the good in this. Having to farm sets again or transmutation crystals will only help the lower end player base to find faster and do more often such content.
Content they no longer have the dps to do. Fantastic.5 -
DaNnYtHePcFrEaK✭✭✭Welcome to ZoS where having an opinion is "non constructive" and "baiting"... Majority of people absolutely HATE this patch... you've ruined this game this patch and destroyed the fun that people have in this game yet WE are the ones in the wrong for voicing opinions?11
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JAwtunes✭✭✭✭Absolutely everyone is complaining about that patch ; all classes of players, from casual to endgame, pve & pvp.
Zos is quite active on the forum, as we can see by the numerous mods actions.
So why Zos? Are you despiting so much your players that you think that those who actually play this game understand nothing to your great picture? Are you despiting so much your players that you just absolutely don't care about the fact you're breaking all the fun? Are you not seeing the complains everywhere? How can you ignore so much your customers??
I really cannot understand.
And yes, one more post ; but they still not answer. Sometimes delete or close the threat ; but not answer.
No, you don't speak for me. Someone like you says something like this after every patch, nothing new. You will adapt and improve with patience and practice.7 -
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✭Funny things is we see the only feedback they give "SHUT UP YOUR NOT ALOUD TO TALK" only thing ever said7 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.
You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone.
I'm, legit, pretty happy about it overall. Granted, two of the classes I do play frequently just got some new toys...
It's definitely a mixed bag. I'm not necessarily happy with pendulum style changes, but at least it shows they are trying to figure things out.
We still have a while before they are finished with the roadmap they gave us and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until then. If I end up not liking where combat and performance are by that time, I'll evaluate then.
Yeah, that's absolutely fair, and I did manage to dodge the worst of the changes in this patch, which colors my perspective on it.
I'm not going to fault the DK mains who are feeling really bruised right now.0 -
Billdor✭✭✭✭absolutely everyone is NOT complaining about the patch. I can say that because "I" am not complaining about the patch. And I am part of the set of "everyone". In the future, please make some accommodation in your sweeping generalizations for people that may not feel the same way you do.
You're not mostly wrong. Lots of people ARE complaining about the patch. Just not absolutely everyone.
I guess the use of hyperbole flew right passed your head?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I haven't had time to play much since the patch, but I've done some parses with a couple of my DD characters; the damage is indeed worse, but what's actually frustrating for me is not the nerf in damage in itself (even though killing the dummy becomes increasingly lenghty and boring
) but the fact that in order to do even that amount of damage, rotations are now really monotonous, and not fun.... bar-swapping results in damage loss, so it's better if they're longer on the front bar, and then just using a spammable skill. That's not fun, for me at least, and although I hope it's just part of a bigger picture of them figuring and sorting out combat in the following updates, it still means a whole patch with these frankly bad changes. 1 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭This phenomenom happens in every single new DLC or Patch or Expansion or whatever zos does.
My advice is to ignore almost everything what the people post, because they are not only the sames posts as always or absurd complains about how the game now is more dificult because they need to do heavy attacks in pve to sustain or they damage has been reduced, they are posts from people that is being very inmature, because the people that is mature and like things to be a challenge they are playing and ejoying the new Patch.
Of course there are things that may not be right, but being dramatic is not a good attitude.6
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