Nobody is using Wings, Stone Fist, Igneous Weapons
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✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »in PvP.
What else do you have Zos?
Has everyone stopped being a Templar yet?CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »in PvP.
What else do you have Zos?
Has everyone stopped being a Templar yet?
I don't think templar has anything to do with the state of Dk though. I'm rather sad that the abilities that made my DK unique , namely corrosive armor, wings, fossilize, are nerfed heavily and the replacement for identity , stonefist and igneous weapons does not really feel as good or cool.
In the final patch notes they made it clear they don't think of a poison spammable, so there goes my hope for a cool poison build and all the possibility for poison build synergies.5 -
AndyMac✭✭✭✭✭Wings are pretty much useless in PvP now - there are much better skills to slot. I’ve even stopped using them in vMA - better skills to slot there as well.
They block a bit of damage - so what.Andymac - Magicka DK - EP Grand Overlord - Flawless Conqueror9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭wait, when did the new patch drop???PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
DreadDaedroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's since Elsweyr that a staple skill as wings for Dk is not being used.Instead of asking for non reflectable skill some people asked for that nerf which makes even PvE less fun, I hope they are happy.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭And in the same time they gave 3 seconds of projectile immunity in this update to sorc on more overloaded skill then wings were. So much about DK hard countering projectile builds lol.15 -
JonnytheKing✭✭✭✭✭Wings are pretty much useless in PvP now - there are much better skills to slot. I’ve even stopped using them in vMA - better skills to slot there as well.
They block a bit of damage - so what.
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DCZergNoob✭✭✭Wings are pretty much useless in PvP now - there are much better skills to slot. I’ve even stopped using them in vMA - better skills to slot there as well.
They block a bit of damage - so what.
Uhhh....
It's 50% reduction damage from ALL ranged attacks AND gives snare removal & immunity and ON DEMAND it's by far dk's best defensive
This is coming from a magDK main. I wouldnt drop it for anything10 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭DCZergNoob wrote: »Wings are pretty much useless in PvP now - there are much better skills to slot. I’ve even stopped using them in vMA - better skills to slot there as well.
They block a bit of damage - so what.
Uhhh....
It's 50% reduction damage from ALL ranged attacks AND gives snare removal & immunity and ON DEMAND it's by far dk's best defensive
This is coming from a magDK main. I wouldnt drop it for anything
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✭✭✭✭✭DCZergNoob wrote: »It's 50% reduction damage from ALL ranged attacks
Unless the ability is worded incorrectly, it only reduces "projectile" damage, meaning it has zero effect on strong ranged abilities like Daedric Curse or Radiant Destruction, also does nothing to the auxiliary effects of projectiles like stuns, debuffs, or DoTs. So unless your only goal is to stand there eating Snipe spam, RAT is a much more effective defensive maneuver. It has lower cost, allows you to outrun zergs and use LoS like a Stamina build, and even gives you a free damage shield when you block.PC/NA || Cyro/BGs || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP metas8 -
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✭✭I've tried multiple times to get wings to work well on my build, and every time I always go back to RAT, because it does wings' job better than wings, since the nerf.
With old wings, I'd mostly use it as an escape and repositioning tool, both because of the snare immunity, and the protection from projectile-based stuns. New wings doesn't offer that stun protection, which has severely hindered it as a defensive tool.
While RAT doesn't offer stun protection, it does offer Major Expedition, which allows me to escape and reposition faster than I could with wings, in addition to the snare immunity. IMO, Major Expedition >>> 50% mitigation against projectiles only, especially as an escape and repositioning tool.DCZergNoob wrote: »Wings are pretty much useless in PvP now - there are much better skills to slot. I’ve even stopped using them in vMA - better skills to slot there as well.
They block a bit of damage - so what.
Uhhh....
It's 50% reduction damage from ALL ranged attacks AND gives snare removal & immunity and ON DEMAND it's by far dk's best defensive
This is coming from a magDK main. I wouldnt drop it for anything
It's a 50% reduction to projectiles, and not all projectiles, either. Warden's bird goes through, as well as sets, and a few others.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Plenty of Dks ferocious leaping though.
Edit: I don’t want it nerfed I’m just saying some Dks have found a way to keep playing.Edited by max_only on October 23, 2019 3:06AM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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mongoLC✭✭✭✭Timmy died to wings because that *** was op!Edited by mongoLC on October 23, 2019 3:10AM2
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✭✭✭✭✭Umm I dont know why stone fist was added to that list. Thread was created less then 1 day after patch dropped. It's not like all dks alltogether will log in , change their setups and rush into PvP on day 1 of patch. Even complaining have some borders of being reasonable.2 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Umm I dont know why stone fist was added to that list. Thread was created less then 1 day after patch dropped. It's not like all dks alltogether will log in , change their setups and rush into PvP on day 1 of patch. Even complaining have some borders of being reasonable.
Do you know what has no borders?
Ask Einstain.
How diffucult is it for you to understand than in a game with burst dmg means life or death, there is no room to wait for 3 GCD to stun an enemy?
How difficult is it for you to understand that this ability is weak and costly, with 0 secondary effects fitting ESO PvP?
Maybe you should work for Zos, while we wait a few years to collect data for you and tell you that Stone Fist is in nobodys PvP rotation.1 -
BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭A poison spammable makes more sense and synergies better with the stam dk skills but devs are too stubborn to give dk the one thing constantly asked for2 -
DCZergNoob✭✭✭DK Wings> Race against Time
You cant change my mind, if minor stuff like bird and haunting curse are hard countering your DK build then don't play dk lol3 -
Ysbriel✭✭✭✭✭Did come across one Tank on BG that used the wings but haven't been hit by a stonefist yet.0 -
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✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »in PvP.
What else do you have Zos?
Pretty soon we'll be running only weapon and guild skills.0 -
evoniee✭✭✭✭corrosive still used, you just dont pvp much enough to see a real player.
wing still used, in fact make me hesitate to use merciless bow, 50% ranged mitigation, it is better than BRP dual wield for ranged attack.
stone fist used too and hard to see in 1vx situation, it is a surprise stun cause i dont notice / ready with the change0 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭the wings was because of the pew pewers complaining, but now there is no come bk to them, stone fist is not needed and Igneous Weapons is a pointless skill like the defile on dragon standard, most peeps look after the major sorc and brut them self, my main pvp character is dk and i only use wings even though it is slightly pointless, i dont use rest never haveMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike1
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chetter_hummin✭✭✭*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
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✭✭Wings are really strong. Personally on my playstyle & build they fit well and works as i want them. Against most ranged specs that 6 seconds mitigation i keep up is so worth it. Playstyle, game mode and group composition thingy.. yeah can work with just the Major Mending from Fragmented and focus on healing done/recieved, but with Wings up i personally feel not need so much healing most times and i am on offensive more than i would be without Wings.
Yeah, Wings take a slot and can be a "useless" skill when 1vs1 against a melee brawler, but hardly ever at Cyrodiil open world or at bgs you end up on those, there always are snipe spammers and other projectile spammers putting pressure on you as a bonus.. so Wings make atleast for me things more fun and efficient and100% is worth the slot they take. Playstyle and choice thingy.
And about Stone Fist.. well, on one DK setup i am currently testing it, if i would perhaps use that OR Power Slam. For reasons, don`t ask. And it is not half bad.. i know i know, it is not a stamwhip, but.. it is not all bad in a setup i got in mind.
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭chetter_hummin wrote: »*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
Yes dear forum warrior with a math degree, you're so good at ''math'' that you can't even catch up on the fact that old wings had both offense and defense in the same morph and did prevent any secondary harmful effect while active. Obviously new wings is a complete buff with absolutely no drawbacks , you're basic math is at levels that shouldn't even be possible, gods, I am blinded by your brightness and intelligence.
Looks like you need to drop that popcorn and eat some protein rich food, your brain seems to be starving from all the junk food.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 23, 2019 11:00AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »chetter_hummin wrote: »*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
Yes dear forum warrior with a math degree, you're so good at ''math'' that you can't even catch up on the fact that old wings had both offense and defense in the same morph and did prevent any secondary harmful effect while active. Obviously new wings is a complete buff with absolutely no drawbacks , you're basic math is at levels that shouldn't even be possible, gods, I am blinded by your brightness and intelligence.
Looks like you need to drop that popcorn and eat some protein rich food, your brain seems to be starving from all the junk food.
Simply old wings were overloaded
And as usual "Nobody" - means I and few others, I will just ignore all the rest who is using the skill for my convenience.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.2 -
probabkyravi✭✭✭Wings is great and it was a buff when they changed them no more immovable pots. New Stonefist looks pretty cool.
Only nerf I see for Stam DK is Dizzy Swing, they kinda made it too easy to use though in last patch and we have more knock-down options now.
Bring back the old Green Dragon Blood
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Commancho✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »chetter_hummin wrote: »*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
Yes dear forum warrior with a math degree, you're so good at ''math'' that you can't even catch up on the fact that old wings had both offense and defense in the same morph and did prevent any secondary harmful effect while active. Obviously new wings is a complete buff with absolutely no drawbacks , you're basic math is at levels that shouldn't even be possible, gods, I am blinded by your brightness and intelligence.
Looks like you need to drop that popcorn and eat some protein rich food, your brain seems to be starving from all the junk food.
Simply old wings were overloaded
And as usual "Nobody" - means I and few others, I will just ignore all the rest who is using the skill for my convenience.
I can bet that your main is a stamble with a bow. You know the truth.1
