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Nobody is using Wings, Stone Fist, Igneous Weapons
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »chetter_hummin wrote: »*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
Yes dear forum warrior with a math degree, you're so good at ''math'' that you can't even catch up on the fact that old wings had both offense and defense in the same morph and did prevent any secondary harmful effect while active. Obviously new wings is a complete buff with absolutely no drawbacks , you're basic math is at levels that shouldn't even be possible, gods, I am blinded by your brightness and intelligence.
Looks like you need to drop that popcorn and eat some protein rich food, your brain seems to be starving from all the junk food.
Simply old wings were overloaded
And as usual "Nobody" - means I and few others, I will just ignore all the rest who is using the skill for my convenience.
I can bet that your main is a stamble with a bow. You know the truth.
Boom you lost baby.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.1 -
chrightt✭✭✭✭No one is using wings and stone fist? ..... well I see them both run by people. Stone fist is harder to see from melee range but wings? You sure you don’t see that freaking huge ass wings flap around? Igneous weapon is crap though.2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »chetter_hummin wrote: »*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
Yes dear forum warrior with a math degree, you're so good at ''math'' that you can't even catch up on the fact that old wings had both offense and defense in the same morph and did prevent any secondary harmful effect while active. Obviously new wings is a complete buff with absolutely no drawbacks , you're basic math is at levels that shouldn't even be possible, gods, I am blinded by your brightness and intelligence.
Looks like you need to drop that popcorn and eat some protein rich food, your brain seems to be starving from all the junk food.
Well I am happy that You've explained main reason for wings to get nerf and how overloaded that ability was. Also people with math degrees were saying that thing all along.
Edited by Juhasow on October 23, 2019 12:33PM1 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »Umm I dont know why stone fist was added to that list. Thread was created less then 1 day after patch dropped. It's not like all dks alltogether will log in , change their setups and rush into PvP on day 1 of patch. Even complaining have some borders of being reasonable.
Do you know what has no borders?
Ask Einstain.
How diffucult is it for you to understand than in a game with burst dmg means life or death, there is no room to wait for 3 GCD to stun an enemy?
How difficult is it for you to understand that this ability is weak and costly, with 0 secondary effects fitting ESO PvP?
Maybe you should work for Zos, while we wait a few years to collect data for you and tell you that Stone Fist is in nobodys PvP rotation.
Well I think You may be one of the better examples Einstein was talking about since You tell me to talk with long dead person.
How difficult is it for You to understand that if You dont like stone fist stun You can just slot other stun that will stun people instantly ? It's not like You dont have that as a dk. How difficult is it for You to understand that damage wise this ability is actually one of the better abilities and cost wise it's also pretty cheap considering it'll always restore 1k stam passively. How difficult is it for You to understand that not every secondary effect is created to fit PvE or PvE exclusively or both at the same time ?
How difficult is it for You to stop complaining for the sake of complaining and instead of simply making a thread saying "it's bad" and calling it a day to think and provide feedback of what would be good with detailed explanation why , if You really want it to be changed ? You should perfectly know ZoS is ignoring threads like this one since they bring nothing constructive to discussion so why did You even made it ?1 -
Rikumaru✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »chetter_hummin wrote: »*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
Yes dear forum warrior with a math degree, you're so good at ''math'' that you can't even catch up on the fact that old wings had both offense and defense in the same morph and did prevent any secondary harmful effect while active. Obviously new wings is a complete buff with absolutely no drawbacks , you're basic math is at levels that shouldn't even be possible, gods, I am blinded by your brightness and intelligence.
Looks like you need to drop that popcorn and eat some protein rich food, your brain seems to be starving from all the junk food.
Well I am happy that You've explained main reason for wings to get nerf and how overloaded that ability was. Also people with math degrees were saying that thing all along.
Wings was overloaded, oh really? Shimmering shield is superior to old wings (major heroism) and hasn't been gutted like wings has been. It's magicka return is basically like old harness.
How about ball of lightning which gives 3 second immunity to all projectiles and also teleports you 15 meters and gives 2 second snare immunity?
Yeah wings was soooooo overloaded. ZOS took a skill, which has been a staple skill and a major part of DKs identity since launch and completely dumpstered the skill. It's literally akin to if cloak became so bad nightblades stopped slotting it or if streak / bol became so bad sorcs stopped slotting it.Edited by Rikumaru on October 23, 2019 12:48PMOverload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.3 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"wings was overloaded"
Laughs in Cloak, where you can disappear, negating all targeting, controlling disengagement and reengagement of fights, allowing heals from almost dead to 100% completely unmitigated, forcing in-flight projectiles to miss, and suppressing DoT's, all in the one button press.8 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »chetter_hummin wrote: »*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
Yes dear forum warrior with a math degree, you're so good at ''math'' that you can't even catch up on the fact that old wings had both offense and defense in the same morph and did prevent any secondary harmful effect while active. Obviously new wings is a complete buff with absolutely no drawbacks , you're basic math is at levels that shouldn't even be possible, gods, I am blinded by your brightness and intelligence.
Looks like you need to drop that popcorn and eat some protein rich food, your brain seems to be starving from all the junk food.
Well I am happy that You've explained main reason for wings to get nerf and how overloaded that ability was. Also people with math degrees were saying that thing all along.
I do hope you'll approach things with the same ''objective'' manner when discussing bol or cloak. Doubt it though.
Calling old wings overloaded opens a whole can of worms that you ''smart'' people with ''math degrees'' aren't really willing to discuss because it doesn't make a strong argument when every class has their own cheese.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 23, 2019 12:59PM0 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Calling old wings overloaded opens a whole can of worms that you ''smart'' people with ''math degrees'' aren't really willing to discuss because it doesn't make a strong argument when every class has their own cheese.
While i often remember and dearly miss the old Wings, reading from KillCounter that someone Sniped themselves to death on my Wings while i was fighting someone else, priceless joy.. But i have accepted the new version after some bitter salty feelings about it, but in the end it works perfectly for me even without the reflect and it is worth the casting cost since up always the full 6 seconds on 1vX situations.
But, as i`ve said on several combat topics about every classes strong unique skills, they should always adjust them all at same time for every class, so it is not a weird cycle of each getting adjusted different times and never being able to use them in all their glory at the same time. Tough to find balance on class cheese when not adjust all of them at same time. Things like Templar Bubble, Wardens Shimmering, BoL, Cloak.. all should be strong, and balanced without emotional feedback from trolls making them useless.
And with emotional feedback i mean all the "nerf X its OP" coming from people who have "main" and see everyone else "op" except their own class always needs buffs of course. People often say things like "please ZOS listen to us!" and my thoughts most often is: Please in the name of everything that is holy, do not listen to these people.
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✭✭✭✭Moonsorrow wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Calling old wings overloaded opens a whole can of worms that you ''smart'' people with ''math degrees'' aren't really willing to discuss because it doesn't make a strong argument when every class has their own cheese.
While i often remember and dearly miss the old Wings, reading from KillCounter that someone Sniped themselves to death on my Wings while i was fighting someone else, priceless joy.. But i have accepted the new version after some bitter salty feelings about it, but in the end it works perfectly for me even without the reflect and it is worth the casting cost since up always the full 6 seconds on 1vX situations.
But, as i`ve said on several combat topics about every classes strong unique skills, they should always adjust them all at same time for every class, so it is not a weird cycle of each getting adjusted different times and never being able to use them in all their glory at the same time. Tough to find balance on class cheese when not adjust all of them at same time. Things like Templar Bubble, Wardens Shimmering, BoL, Cloak.. all should be strong, and balanced without emotional feedback from trolls making them useless.
And with emotional feedback i mean all the "nerf X its OP" coming from people who have "main" and see everyone else "op" except their own class always needs buffs of course. People often say things like "please ZOS listen to us!" and my thoughts most often is: Please in the name of everything that is holy, do not listen to these people.
I knew wings would receive a nerf at some point, since it had the ''annoying'' factor to it. If something is annoying in this game it gets complained about and then nerfed. Was just hoping they would go for a less drastic change considering shimmering shield got to keep all its strong points, and its still quite viable and affodable for both stamina and magicka morphs.
How would those people feel if streak suddenly required a target or cloak was now a cast timed skill because ''It didn't feel fair''. I truly hope the balance vision that ruined wings for me , lives on to ruin all those other unique class abilities so all these ''very special people'' get to taste their own putrid medicine.0 -
BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Calling old wings overloaded opens a whole can of worms that you ''smart'' people with ''math degrees'' aren't really willing to discuss because it doesn't make a strong argument when every class has their own cheese.
While i often remember and dearly miss the old Wings, reading from KillCounter that someone Sniped themselves to death on my Wings while i was fighting someone else, priceless joy.. But i have accepted the new version after some bitter salty feelings about it, but in the end it works perfectly for me even without the reflect and it is worth the casting cost since up always the full 6 seconds on 1vX situations.
But, as i`ve said on several combat topics about every classes strong unique skills, they should always adjust them all at same time for every class, so it is not a weird cycle of each getting adjusted different times and never being able to use them in all their glory at the same time. Tough to find balance on class cheese when not adjust all of them at same time. Things like Templar Bubble, Wardens Shimmering, BoL, Cloak.. all should be strong, and balanced without emotional feedback from trolls making them useless.
And with emotional feedback i mean all the "nerf X its OP" coming from people who have "main" and see everyone else "op" except their own class always needs buffs of course. People often say things like "please ZOS listen to us!" and my thoughts most often is: Please in the name of everything that is holy, do not listen to these people.
I knew wings would receive a nerf at some point, since it had the ''annoying'' factor to it. If something is annoying in this game it gets complained about and then nerfed. Was just hoping they would go for a less drastic change considering shimmering shield got to keep all its strong points, and its still quite viable and affodable for both stamina and magicka morphs.
How would those people feel if streak suddenly required a target or cloak was now a cast timed skill because ''It didn't feel fair''. I truly hope the balance vision that ruined wings for me , lives on to ruin all those other unique class abilities so all these ''very special people'' get to taste their own putrid medicine.
Remember when they removed the reflect from Bubble?
Now I know you said people cry "it doesn't feel fair" but: I used to use bubble to play Meteor Ping Pong with DK's and it was fun because I could do it too; Then I couldn't do it, and DK's could still easily double Met me or Met-Leap me etc, whilst firing back other stuff at the same time. Was that fair?
Now I can't reflect, but DK's can still mitigate 50% of my projectile damage and send a tonne back if they choose that morph (and it is quite good damage - so is a wardens Crystalised Slab)
You're not the first to taste the medicine
I know most people don't run the reflect morphs and you don't see enough Wardens to see Slab but man, that is a seriously noob friendly skill now, let alone before the nerfs.
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭DCZergNoob wrote: »DK Wings> Race against Time
You cant change my mind, if minor stuff like bird and haunting curse are hard countering your DK build then don't play dk lol
It's not countering it's just not good anymore. There's a reason the only one advocating for it is you.2 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »chetter_hummin wrote: »*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
Yes dear forum warrior with a math degree, you're so good at ''math'' that you can't even catch up on the fact that old wings had both offense and defense in the same morph and did prevent any secondary harmful effect while active. Obviously new wings is a complete buff with absolutely no drawbacks , you're basic math is at levels that shouldn't even be possible, gods, I am blinded by your brightness and intelligence.
Looks like you need to drop that popcorn and eat some protein rich food, your brain seems to be starving from all the junk food.
Simply old wings were overloaded
And as usual "Nobody" - means I and few others, I will just ignore all the rest who is using the skill for my convenience.
Found the artillery sorc that spams max range crushing shocks and streaks away from you once you turn to them.1 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭As if that last time wasn't enough with wings, makes me curious if it is even reflecting anything at all anymore or just doing some fixed damage in exchange.
Well, maybe it's karma after all, as I alwas kept saying "DK is easy mode in tanking"...seems like they want to change this also. Only talons left to break, I guess...
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mursie✭✭✭✭✭why has the DK been nerfed so hard?
the nightblade?
the 2H and DW weapon lines for dizzy and steel tornado?
who stands to benefit the most from all these nerfs?
who has always been coddled by ZOS, given direct buffs and indirect buffs via nerfs to others?
who is constantly at the top tier of any PvP class tier list?
who has the best mobility in game?
the best pressure damage?
the best burst damage?
the best heals?
the ability to LOS damage with their own pets?
or do you not know?
are you not woke?
have you not realized yet?
every decision, every adjustment, every manipulation - it all favors one lazy, coddled, overpowered, bulls%$t class. Can you not see it?
Open your eyes - the truth will set you freeEdited by mursie on October 23, 2019 2:43PM3 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »chetter_hummin wrote: »*grabs popcorn*
*see how basic math is being violated and laughs*
*4 ranged projectiles for a 6 sec duration vs a 50% mitigation for ALL range projectiles for 6 seconds is a nerf for forum warriors*
the old wings were so eazy *** up with light atacks by good players, not by forum warriors though.
please do continue, forum warriors with your valuable opinions bases on 1 day of testing and your data base (1 player maybe) of player asked.
Yes dear forum warrior with a math degree, you're so good at ''math'' that you can't even catch up on the fact that old wings had both offense and defense in the same morph and did prevent any secondary harmful effect while active. Obviously new wings is a complete buff with absolutely no drawbacks , you're basic math is at levels that shouldn't even be possible, gods, I am blinded by your brightness and intelligence.
Looks like you need to drop that popcorn and eat some protein rich food, your brain seems to be starving from all the junk food.
Well I am happy that You've explained main reason for wings to get nerf and how overloaded that ability was. Also people with math degrees were saying that thing all along.
I do hope you'll approach things with the same ''objective'' manner when discussing bol or cloak. Doubt it though.
Calling old wings overloaded opens a whole can of worms that you ''smart'' people with ''math degrees'' aren't really willing to discuss because it doesn't make a strong argument when every class has their own cheese.
Actually if You would follow history of my comments You would've noticed that I also have certain objections against how BoL or cloak works. Also nobody here on forums can be "objective" because opinions by the definitions cannot be objective.
Making main defense for old wings to be "but there are also other strong abilities out there" also doesnt make much sense. By that logic ZoS shouldnt touch anything that is strong/weak because there is something else that is strong/weak. Arguments like that completly ignore the fact that comparing class abilities 1 on 1 without bigger context is kinda silly because those abilities are not existing in a vacuum.Edited by Juhasow on October 23, 2019 2:56PM0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"wings was overloaded"
Laughs in Cloak, where you can disappear, negating all targeting, controlling disengagement and reengagement of fights, allowing heals from almost dead to 100% completely unmitigated, forcing in-flight projectiles to miss, and suppressing DoT's, all in the one button press.
Oi, we went over this in the PTS section! Cloak is special for some reason. Very special.
I think you still can't even buy basic detect and invis pots in PvP alliance areas, despite it being an important and powerful mechanic.
Also, don't forget you can also "cloak" skills with cast time or travel time that you shouldn't be able to like another NB incap, meteor, DBoS, ... I've done it many times on live, open world and BGs .
Oops, talking too much on the forums again. Ahem, now that I am an NB I must put out misinformation and look for buffs: "Cloak doesn't even work half the time!"3 -
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✭✭✭I don't have the hard numbers to prove, but I feel, that these skills are under represented, marginalized, and demoralized skills in modern ESO thanks to a history of imbalanced skill privilege! Zos, I demand you nerf all over represented skills in pvp to ensure that the under represented skills have an equal outcome of use.0 -
chrightt✭✭✭✭why has the DK been nerfed so hard?
the nightblade?
the 2H and DW weapon lines for dizzy and steel tornado?
who stands to benefit the most from all these nerfs?
who has always been coddled by ZOS, given direct buffs and indirect buffs via nerfs to others?
who is constantly at the top tier of any PvP class tier list?
who has the best mobility in game?
the best pressure damage?
the best burst damage?
the best heals?
the ability to LOS damage with their own pets?
or do you not know?
are you not woke?
have you not realized yet?
every decision, every adjustment, every manipulation - it all favors one lazy, coddled, overpowered, bulls%$t class. Can you not see it?
Open your eyes - the truth will set you free
Lmao clearly a strong hate towards magsorc but since the pet nerf I don’t really see any issues with magsorc. MagDKs on the other hand are way more OP. People complaining about “streak being annoying” cause sorcs streak away from DKs. Yet they never seem to open their eyes and see that sorcs can only streak away from DKs while magDKs put on a *** ton of pressure. Not sure if you actually tried playing a sorc before but I literally benched mine for Scalebreaker with at most 1 BG win for bonus a day. The rest of the time I was on my DK and Templar. This patch I feel the OPness on magDK and less so on stamDK so yeah, I’ll play that. Magplar still feels good and I’m trying an off meta build on my magplar. Sorc? Feels better because no more insane DoTs. Oh and I’ll use my stamden as well because man, it is strong. Personally I only see bad players complaining about good classes.
Maybe try a different magDK build or play a magsorc if you think it’s actually OP. Don’t give me the *** excuse you just want to stick to your DK yata yata. Just stfu and play a magsorc. People will be wrecking you left and right if you don’t know how to play the game. Nothing more, nothing less.0 -
Shanehere✭✭✭Lmao clearly a strong hate towards magsorc but since the pet nerf I don’t really see any issues with magsorc. MagDKs on the other hand are way more OP. People complaining about “streak being annoying” cause sorcs streak away from DKs. Yet they never seem to open their eyes and see that sorcs can only streak away from DKs while magDKs put on a *** ton of pressure. Not sure if you actually tried playing a sorc before but I literally benched mine for Scalebreaker with at most 1 BG win for bonus a day. The rest of the time I was on my DK and Templar. This patch I feel the OPness on magDK and less so on stamDK so yeah, I’ll play that. Magplar still feels good and I’m trying an off meta build on my magplar. Sorc? Feels better because no more insane DoTs. Oh and I’ll use my stamden as well because man, it is strong. Personally I only see bad players complaining about good classes.
Maybe try a different magDK build or play a magsorc if you think it’s actually OP. Don’t give me the *** excuse you just want to stick to your DK yata yata. Just stfu and play a magsorc. People will be wrecking you left and right if you don’t know how to play the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
This response provided no insight other than you admitting that you're a meta hopper.
It's also almost never the bad players complaining about the good classes, because they just go and play that class. Good players complain about classes that carry bad players.1 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"wings was overloaded"
Laughs in Cloak, where you can disappear, negating all targeting, controlling disengagement and reengagement of fights, allowing heals from almost dead to 100% completely unmitigated, forcing in-flight projectiles to miss, and suppressing DoT's, all in the one button press.
Oi, we went over this in the PTS section! Cloak is special for some reason. Very special.
I think you still can't even buy basic detect and invis pots in PvP alliance areas, despite it being an important and powerful mechanic.
Also, don't forget you can also "cloak" skills with cast time or travel time that you shouldn't be able to like another NB incap, meteor, DBoS, ... I've done it many times on live, open world and BGs .
Oops, talking too much on the forums again. Ahem, now that I am an NB I must put out misinformation and look for buffs: "Cloak doesn't even work half the time!"
Cloak doesn’t suppress dots. I’m a stam Sorc in pvp. I can see my dots ticking away at the empty space the nb is occupying. Get over cloak, it’s not a big deal.
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Sy1ph5✭✭✭✭"wings was overloaded"
Laughs in Cloak, where you can disappear, negating all targeting, controlling disengagement and reengagement of fights, allowing heals from almost dead to 100% completely unmitigated, forcing in-flight projectiles to miss, and suppressing DoT's, all in the one button press.
Oi, we went over this in the PTS section! Cloak is special for some reason. Very special.
I think you still can't even buy basic detect and invis pots in PvP alliance areas, despite it being an important and powerful mechanic.
Also, don't forget you can also "cloak" skills with cast time or travel time that you shouldn't be able to like another NB incap, meteor, DBoS, ... I've done it many times on live, open world and BGs .
Oops, talking too much on the forums again. Ahem, now that I am an NB I must put out misinformation and look for buffs: "Cloak doesn't even work half the time!"
Cloak doesn’t suppress dots. I’m a stam Sorc in pvp. I can see my dots ticking away at the empty space the nb is occupying. Get over cloak, it’s not a big deal.
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Suryoyo✭✭✭Since old wings are gone, I've switched to Race against Time, it's better to quickly LoS people, run away far enough, avoid aoe etc.
New wings are an ok skill but you get quickly overwhelmed in BG when you get spammed from 20+ meters sorcs, birds, bow users etc. In 1v1 they shine but that's the extent of it.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭"wings was overloaded"
Laughs in Cloak, where you can disappear, negating all targeting, controlling disengagement and reengagement of fights, allowing heals from almost dead to 100% completely unmitigated, forcing in-flight projectiles to miss, and suppressing DoT's, all in the one button press.
Oi, we went over this in the PTS section! Cloak is special for some reason. Very special.
I think you still can't even buy basic detect and invis pots in PvP alliance areas, despite it being an important and powerful mechanic.
Also, don't forget you can also "cloak" skills with cast time or travel time that you shouldn't be able to like another NB incap, meteor, DBoS, ... I've done it many times on live, open world and BGs .
Oops, talking too much on the forums again. Ahem, now that I am an NB I must put out misinformation and look for buffs: "Cloak doesn't even work half the time!"
Cloak doesn’t suppress dots. I’m a stam Sorc in pvp. I can see my dots ticking away at the empty space the nb is occupying. Get over cloak, it’s not a big deal.
That's factually incorrect.
Facts aren't the strong suit of forums unfortunately. What takes 2 seconds to prove can be denied for years to come.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »"wings was overloaded"
Laughs in Cloak, where you can disappear, negating all targeting, controlling disengagement and reengagement of fights, allowing heals from almost dead to 100% completely unmitigated, forcing in-flight projectiles to miss, and suppressing DoT's, all in the one button press.
Oi, we went over this in the PTS section! Cloak is special for some reason. Very special.
I think you still can't even buy basic detect and invis pots in PvP alliance areas, despite it being an important and powerful mechanic.
Also, don't forget you can also "cloak" skills with cast time or travel time that you shouldn't be able to like another NB incap, meteor, DBoS, ... I've done it many times on live, open world and BGs .
Oops, talking too much on the forums again. Ahem, now that I am an NB I must put out misinformation and look for buffs: "Cloak doesn't even work half the time!"
Cloak doesn’t suppress dots. I’m a stam Sorc in pvp. I can see my dots ticking away at the empty space the nb is occupying. Get over cloak, it’s not a big deal.
That's factually incorrect.
Facts aren't the strong suit of forums unfortunately. What takes 2 seconds to prove can be denied for years to come.
Quote me where cloak takes away dots. Take a screen cap of a Nightblade with the Shadowy disguise morph. I’m looking at my max level NB right now, checking the passives.... don’t see anything about suppressing dots...
Edit: Testing it on live...
Edit: Degeneration is still ticking on me while I’m invisible. For 3 seconds my health doesn’t decrease okay I was wrong there. It should say on the tooltip that’s it does that. But then Who is going to spam a Magicka skill 3-4 times in a row on a stamina nightblade?
I just don’t see the problem fighting Nbs. I always see where they run too with my damage floating above their heads, even when they try to los.Edited by max_only on October 26, 2019 1:43AM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »"wings was overloaded"
Laughs in Cloak, where you can disappear, negating all targeting, controlling disengagement and reengagement of fights, allowing heals from almost dead to 100% completely unmitigated, forcing in-flight projectiles to miss, and suppressing DoT's, all in the one button press.
Oi, we went over this in the PTS section! Cloak is special for some reason. Very special.
I think you still can't even buy basic detect and invis pots in PvP alliance areas, despite it being an important and powerful mechanic.
Also, don't forget you can also "cloak" skills with cast time or travel time that you shouldn't be able to like another NB incap, meteor, DBoS, ... I've done it many times on live, open world and BGs .
Oops, talking too much on the forums again. Ahem, now that I am an NB I must put out misinformation and look for buffs: "Cloak doesn't even work half the time!"
Cloak doesn’t suppress dots. I’m a stam Sorc in pvp. I can see my dots ticking away at the empty space the nb is occupying. Get over cloak, it’s not a big deal.
That's factually incorrect.
Facts aren't the strong suit of forums unfortunately. What takes 2 seconds to prove can be denied for years to come.
Quote me where cloak takes away dots. Take a screen cap of a Nightblade with the Shadowy disguise morph. I’m looking at my max level NB right now, checking the passives.... don’t see anything about suppressing dots...
Edit: Testing it on live...
Edit: Degeneration is still ticking on me while I’m invisible. For 3 seconds my health doesn’t decrease okay I was wrong there. It should say on the tooltip that’s it does that. But then Who is going to spam a Magicka skill 3-4 times in a row on a stamina nightblade?
I just don’t see the problem fighting Nbs. I always see where they run too with my damage floating above their heads, even when they try to los.
I'm not here to argue whether cloak is ok or not. I'm just saying that facts are often ignored in this place. I've been ridiculed and made fun of by ''totally expert'' nightblade mains for saying that cloak does indeed negates dot damage while its up, and it also negates direct damage for the short period when you first cast it, which means that spamming it can make you immune to damage for a short period of time.
Quite useless when you're caught in a bad spot, but makes you absolutely immune to damage in a 1v1. Is it a problem? Is it fair? I don't care. I'm just saying what it does.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 26, 2019 2:01AM0 -
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✭"wings was overloaded"
Laughs in Cloak, where you can disappear, negating all targeting, controlling disengagement and reengagement of fights, allowing heals from almost dead to 100% completely unmitigated, forcing in-flight projectiles to miss, and suppressing DoT's, all in the one button press.
...which can be completely disabled for a quarter of a f***ing minute by anyone with enough brain cells to pop a potion, not to mention the absurdly long list of random things that can pull you out of cloak or make it impossible to cloak.
Cloak is the most unreliable defensive skill in the game — bar none. Imagine if there were potions that made your wings (or shields if you're a sorc) completely useless for 15 seconds. (Or every AOE in the game.) Now imagine having no viable burst heal & being forced to gear up as a glass cannon because that's the only way you can get decent burst.
Wings doesn't sound so bad now, does it?Edited by Langeston on October 26, 2019 6:18AM0 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭I've tried multiple times to get wings to work well on my build, and every time I always go back to RAT, because it does wings' job better than wings, since the nerf.
With old wings, I'd mostly use it as an escape and repositioning tool, both because of the snare immunity, and the protection from projectile-based stuns. New wings doesn't offer that stun protection, which has severely hindered it as a defensive tool.
While RAT doesn't offer stun protection, it does offer Major Expedition, which allows me to escape and reposition faster than I could with wings, in addition to the snare immunity. IMO, Major Expedition >>> 50% mitigation against projectiles only, especially as an escape and repositioning tool.DCZergNoob wrote: »Wings are pretty much useless in PvP now - there are much better skills to slot. I’ve even stopped using them in vMA - better skills to slot there as well.
They block a bit of damage - so what.
Uhhh....
It's 50% reduction damage from ALL ranged attacks AND gives snare removal & immunity and ON DEMAND it's by far dk's best defensive
This is coming from a magDK main. I wouldnt drop it for anything
It's a 50% reduction to projectiles, and not all projectiles, either. Warden's bird goes through, as well as sets, and a few others.
So if you dont have the psijic skill line use wings but if you do have psijic skill line, use rat? I like wings in pve just for the quick movement. It's easy to get used to, esp while farming those resource maps.I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
BTW, I use arch too0
