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No Major Sorcery for Templar!
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Really? Degeneration on utter poo now so potions or Rattle. "Play how you like." well...
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Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Degen was utter poo for 4 years and temps still used it. It was only good (outside of sorcery) for one patch.
The entropy nerf isn’t the end of the world.Edited by Jimmy_The_Fixer on October 21, 2019 7:27PM12 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They should add major sorcery to jesus beam so we can go back to 2016.PvP needs more love.5 -
Mrsinister2✭✭✭✭✭I had no issue with the original entropy with the health boost and passives its offered.
So they buff it to a God like state of damage then completly destroy the ability.
Really annoying that we have even less options then ever for major sorc.....
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »Degen was utter poo for 4 years and temps still used it. It was only good (outside of sorcery) for one patch.
The entropy nerf isn’t the end of the world.
It was, but it didn't cost 2.7K magickaMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.8 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.2 -
Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.
No, you need it. If your build does not include a source of Major Sorcery then it is an incomplete build, period.
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.
No, you need it. If your build does not include a source of Major Sorcery then it is an incomplete build, period.
I disagree, I use 3x utility sets on my magplar and it kicks ash. Magplar damage combo is super oppressive.
Fun fact, stamplar also doesn't need Major Brutality to be the PvP beast that it is.1 -
Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.
No, you need it. If your build does not include a source of Major Sorcery then it is an incomplete build, period.
I disagree, I use 3x utility sets on my magplar and it kicks ash. Magplar damage combo is super oppressive.
Fun fact, stamplar also doesn't need Major Brutality to be the PvP beast that it is.
At 2k unbuffed spelldamage (a mediocre amount), Major Sorc gives a huge 400 spelldamage bonus. The worse solution is to equip rattlecage, which gives 100 spelldam in addition to the 400+ from major sorcery. The better solution is just to add entropy to your bar or use potions to get your huge amount of free spelldamage without sacrificing a bar slot or tripots .
Just because you feel like you’re doing well in PvP doesn’t necessarily mean that your theorycrafting is on point.13 -
MurderMostFoul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.
No, you need it. If your build does not include a source of Major Sorcery then it is an incomplete build, period.
I disagree, I use 3x utility sets on my magplar and it kicks ash. Magplar damage combo is super oppressive.
Fun fact, stamplar also doesn't need Major Brutality to be the PvP beast that it is.
Must be trolling. Stamplar without major brutality is a total mistake.“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”16 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.
No, you need it. If your build does not include a source of Major Sorcery then it is an incomplete build, period.
I disagree, I use 3x utility sets on my magplar and it kicks ash. Magplar damage combo is super oppressive.
Fun fact, stamplar also doesn't need Major Brutality to be the PvP beast that it is.
Magplars also get minor sorcery so it seems a waste not to take advantage of that and stack spell dmg.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...5 -
BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭Well I believe you should find a way to play with the major buffs. Is it viable to play without? Sure but you’ll be missing out on a huge chunk of damage and healing. I’ve actually tried it, so I’m not just saying it just to say it.
If you choose to go the route of not slotting it then you’re going to need a ton of damage without the buff. Which is possible since their are builds pushing 6k plus weapon damage, more if you consider your effective weapon damage. However, this is harder to achieve on a magic build and you’re going to take a hit somewhere, most likely in the sustain department. Wouldn’t advise that type of hit on magplar or stamplar.
Side note : 3k spell damage and 4K weapon damage is enough to kill the average player.Edited by BaiterOfZergs on October 22, 2019 1:17AMZerg of House Smallscale, First of his name, wielder of Volendrung, battleground hero, Cyrodiil butcher, the swifft footed, OG of the Templars and first pvpers, defender of scrolls and baiter of zergs.0 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Degeneration was ok before. Had a % chance to heal and cheap source of major sorcery.
The buff then even harder nerf is just cruel.
Id rather have old degeneration than what it is now.8 -
chrightt✭✭✭✭For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.
Eh rattle cage is not a waste of a 5piece set. Just stat-wise if the major sorcery alone provides you more than 300 spell damage then with the addition of the free 100 spell damage from 5 piece it strictly outperforms other sets like axiom and war maiden. Doing this allows you to run tri-pots while not running degeneration.
As for OP classes all “lack” something. NBs don’t have a 20s skill that buffs them for major ward/resolve. Sorcerers don’t have a spammable, etc. You can’t expect everyone to get everything and it is fine that way. It makes making builds much more interesting.2 -
SipofMaim✭✭✭✭Luckylancer wrote: »Find a DK bro. Friendship wins.
DKs are mean.
Note: I'm a DK main and half-kidding.1 -
Gaggin✭✭✭✭For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.
As for OP classes all “lack” something. NBs don’t have a 20s skill that buffs them for major ward/resolve. Sorcerers don’t have a spammable, etc. You can’t expect everyone to get everything and it is fine that way. It makes making builds much more interesting.
NBs get the major resolve/ward from their passives when they use skills from that tree, so they still have access to it.
Removing major sorcery was a bad move, it really hamstrings builds.
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wheem_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS either needs to return the damage that Entropy had during Scalebreaker (which wasn't nearly as strong as some people like to claim), or they need to remove the damage entirely and give it utility that's comparable to what Stamina gets from Rally/Forward Momentum. Or do both, depending on which morph is chosen; one for damage and one for utility.
Currently, the damage is too low to matter and the utility outside of Major Sorcery is practically non-existent. I know there's at least one poster that likes to bring up the Mage's Guild passive that adds +2% Max Magicka and Magicka Regeneration (for 1 bar), as though it were some sort of huge bonus, but the truth is - no one would notice if that was removed. The old version of Entropy was trying to pack too many different things into one skill, which meant that it was godawful at every single one of them, but at least it was cheap. Now it does less things, but still does them all badly, while being more expensive.3 -
chrightt✭✭✭✭For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.
As for OP classes all “lack” something. NBs don’t have a 20s skill that buffs them for major ward/resolve. Sorcerers don’t have a spammable, etc. You can’t expect everyone to get everything and it is fine that way. It makes making builds much more interesting.
NBs get the major resolve/ward from their passives when they use skills from that tree, so they still have access to it.
Removing major sorcery was a bad move, it really hamstrings builds.
Yes, but not as high of an uptime while it also takes up their passive slot. You might as well say you can get major sorcery from pots. How about sorcerers then, still no spammable there. You get the point. DKs have ranged skill but very limited and very few to select from. Wardens don’t have an instantaneous on demand hard CC. The list goes on.
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Jabbs_Giggity✭✭✭✭✭For competitive PvE DPS you need the buff but you can just use a potion, it's no problem at all.
For PvP you don't really need it. Rattlecage is a waste of a 5pc set and there are more valuable potions. You'll have plenty of kill power without it.
Eh rattle cage is not a waste of a 5piece set. Just stat-wise if the major sorcery alone provides you more than 300 spell damage then with the addition of the free 100 spell damage from 5 piece it strictly outperforms other sets like axiom and war maiden. Doing this allows you to run tri-pots while not running degeneration.
As for OP classes all “lack” something. NBs don’t have a 20s skill that buffs them for major ward/resolve. Sorcerers don’t have a spammable, etc. You can’t expect everyone to get everything and it is fine that way. It makes making builds much more interesting.
To be fair, Rattlecage gives 358 Spell damage + 20%, not 100. Also, NB has 100% uptime on Major Armor because its spammable procs the buff, as does cloak. Sorcs don't need a spammable because they can pressure with Curse and pop shields util Cfrags proc then Rune Cage and CFrag combo into execute. Just to clarify.
Only way to build an effective PVP DPS Magplar without Major Sorcery is to stack into Max Stats. I've run a max stat Magplar with 48K Mag and it does considerable damage compared to 30-35K with Sorcery.0 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭To be fair, Rattlecage gives 358 Spell damage + 20%, not 100.
You don't count the 2-4 piece because you could wear a set that had the same 2-4 piece and get a better 5 piece and major Sorcery from another source.0 -
Jabbs_Giggity✭✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »To be fair, Rattlecage gives 358 Spell damage + 20%, not 100.
You don't count the 2-4 piece because you could wear a set that had the same 2-4 piece and get a better 5 piece and major Sorcery from another source.
Fair enough.0 -
KingExecration✭✭✭✭Entropy or spell power pots get the most power from magplar for the reason of almost passively keeping minor sorcery up too. I’ve not dabbled too much with infused jewelry but I’ve heard some say it’s good too.
They need to look at a cost reduction for entropy if it stands as a weak skill for a huge cost. They’ve been consistent with some crazy cost increases lately.0 -
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Sorcs and wardens can get those things from other skill lines, thats the point. Its too big of a buff to only be allowed on pots.Yes, but not as high of an uptime while it also takes up their passive slot. You might as well say you can get major sorcery from pots. How about sorcerers then, still no spammable there. You get the point. DKs have ranged skill but very limited and very few to select from. Wardens don’t have an instantaneous on demand hard CC. The list goes on.0 -
iRaivyne✭✭✭Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »Also, NB has 100% uptime on Major Armor because its spammable procs the buff, as does cloak.
They have the potential for 100% uptime, but a MagBlade typically doesn't use concealed weapon as a spammable and not all StamBlades use surprise attack as a spammable (though the majority probably do). If not using those spammable abilities, then we have a very short period of uptime on those buffs and have to be more mindful than other classes to keep them up.1 -
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✭Unpopular opinion: Remove Major Sorcery and Major Brutality from the game. Problem solved.
If Magicka-Templars cannot reliably receive Major Sorcery from a good source, then no one else gets their Major damage buffs.
/s.
ESO Platform/Region: PC/NA. ESO ID: @Darkmage1337GM of Absolute Virtue. Co-GM of Absolute Vice. 8-time Former Emperor, out of 13 characters. 3 Templars, 3 Sorcerers, 2 Nightblades, 2 Dragonknights, 1 Warden. 1 Necromancer, and 1 Arcanist. The Ebonheart Pact: The Dark-Mage (Former Emperor), The Undying Nightshade, The Moonlit-Knight, The Killionaire (Former Emperor), Swims-Among-Slaughterfish (Former Emperor), The Undead Mage, and The Dark-Warlock. The Aldmeri Dominion: The Dawn-Bringer (Former Empress), The Ironwood Kid (Former Emperor), and The Storm-Sword. The Daggerfall Covenant: The Storm-Shield (Former Empress), The Savage-Beast, and The Burning-Crusader CP: 1,999.4 -
OG_Kaveman✭✭✭✭✭All this talk about templars and no one mentions that necromancers also do not have an in class source either.Edited by OG_Kaveman on October 22, 2019 7:20PM2
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Darkmage1337 wrote: »Unpopular opinion: Remove Major Sorcery and Major Brutality from the game. Problem solved.
If Magicka-Templars cannot reliably receive Major Sorcery from a good source, then no one else gets their Major damage buffs.
/s.
I wouldn't mind gaining one bar slot on my Dk honestly. I jest, but I would actually enjoy it at the same time.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 22, 2019 7:25PM1 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OG_Kaveman wrote: »All this talk about templars and no one mentions that necromancers also do not have an in class source either.
Shhh, this is a nerf templar thread now.0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Luckylancer wrote: »Find a DK bro. Friendship wins.
DKs are mean.
Note: I'm a DK main and half-kidding.
I LOLed"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭You don’t NEED major sorcery or major brutality in PvP. What you do NEED, is to get gud and understand how the game works. You can definitely kill people with less than 2k SD, it takes longer yes, but it’s definitely doable. Sad as F that people been playing this long and still don’t get it.1
