Shadowing away isnt always the best use of the cloak anyway tbh. I used dark cloak for awhile, but found it a bit underwhelming, and reintroduced the cloak.

What I find it is best for tho, isnt disengaging, but simply repositioning to gain a brief break of LOS so I can HoT, or rebuff, before hitting them again almost immediately from a blindside.

The brief time of not being hit, hopefully including them burning a resource on somrthing like a pot/magelight (that ultimately wont matter anyway since Im not running), and being able to reset myself just enough to allow me to resume pressuring them has been invaluable to me of late.

I rarely use cloak to flee, as frankly it can be too late. It isnt a get out jail card vs competent players. If Im going to disengage, I try to be proactive and do it much sooner then at the "desperation," point.

Remove cloak, buff Stamina and Magicka NBs damage and surivablitiy. I'm down.

Wont let me edit to add this:

Disengaging to heal isnt specific to NBs or cloak (altho Im sure the latter can encourage some folks to do that, hence the NB hate). If I feel like Im not getting supported in BGs/Cyro and I break away, folks can hate all they want. I only body block damage, and stay in the scrum to death with those that are doing the same.

The class right now unfortunately with all the changes is in a bad spot aside from cryo where you can open up on someone not expecting with shadowy disguise which unfortunately is abused by tons of bad players, because of cast times and other issues in the kit suffers from lack of team potential which is apparent in high mmr bg's. The whole kit is shifting towards a tank with it's "class identity" from a high damage class. A lot of the skill that were once unique to nightblade are out shined by skills like the fighter's guild turn evil or ultimate's such as onslaught.

Incapacitating Strike suffers from the cast time on it which makes it super avoidable single target skill and right now the only way to 100% land it is to use dizzying swing or scatter shot for the knock back cc against a good player, and the "strong" version of the ultimate with the silence attached gives free cc immunity without even cc'ing someone which is completely backwards and terrible design by whoever implemented it. The 120 version of the ultimate was originally made for the stun which everyone knew was too much on the skill but because of what I could only imagine as incompetence it was never taken out after the stun was removed. The ultimate should always cost 70 ultimate now with the stun removed and either silence or provide major defile to deal with single targets and not get 100% out classed by onslaught in the 2h skill line or dawnbreaker which even with the cast times can land because it's an aoe ability and not dodge able.

Impale for magnb damage needs to be increased as it under performs compared to killers blade on stamnb.

Ambush which is a clunky skill but many nightblades are forced into using or attempting to use it to gain some of the damage lost after they removed minor berserk and major fracture, should at least become a stun and if they want to make it overloaded like lotus fan the magicka counter part add a disease dot or minor defile AND REMOVE minor vulnerability.

Piercing mark which used to be able to hard counter cloaking nb especially at range with the removal of any kinda of hard counter play in the game like dk wings had its duration reduced to 3 seconds which just cause nb to hide then come back out to snipe you again. The duration on the detect should be increased to 5-6 seconds to actually be useful for pulling ranged nb out of stealth and keeping them exposed instead of them just running out of range in 3 seconds only to re enter cloak.

Grim focus which used to be a strictly offensive skill is now going with this new class identity of nightblade as a tank and adding damage mitigation. The stamina morph of it has a terrible heal and if you do fire it to get the small heal you lose all your damage mitigation and take more damage then you heal for. The skill should if it's to return to it's offensive status give major brutality/sorcery and remove it from drain power and it's morphs and ontop of adding minor endurance/intellect respectively and REMOVE the damage mitigation and take the class away from this new "tank" low skill cap low buff management class identity it's starting to take on instead of a high damage class which is losing all it's damage through loss of debuffs and mechanics that simply don't work such cast times on ultimates and cc immunity on the silence "the strong version" of incapacitating strike".

Soul Shred and it's morphs should have the cast time removed or add cast times to more powerful defensive ultimate like the restoration staff ultimate or the Templar remembrance. Also soul siphon which was utilized more with stamnb on top of having the longest cast time of all the ultimate cast times can't even be use properly because the vigor nerf that only allows it to heal yourself and not teammates while magicka have multiple ways to heal teammates with regeneration etc.

Drain power and it's morphs have NEVER been used as a source of major sorcery/brutality as you want the buff up before you get in combat not already in melee range for your first attack to hit like a noodle without your spell/weapon damage buff up, and the heal on sap essence should be increased slightly, the major brutality/sorcery should be moved to grim focus and it's morphs in trade of the damage mitigation as nightblade isn't supposed to be a "tank" class.

Surprise attack which was nerfed into the ground with the removal of major fracture should have minor vulnerability moved from teleport strike and it's morphs and put here with only 4-5 seconds per hit promoting nightblades to stay in combat to get use of the debuff and not just running away to reset a fight.

Mass hysteria which used to be a unique cc associate with nightblade is now given to every class with a better version with the fighters guild turn evil that provides minor protection and endurance to your entire team for standing in it while also providing the fear hard cc. It should get minor maim back to make it not 100% outclassed by a universal skill and promote nightblades getting in melee combat to use the debuff and add tankiness in form of this debuff that can be used in group.

mainly stealthers just like to feel out enemies to see how much they can damage them.
if we see they are easily killed we lay in heavy and kill you if we can.
but if your all beef and pure tank, then we hit you with a few test damages and then leave by sneak knowing your way too tank to mess with.

Vlad9425 wrote: »

If only there were potions in game or AOEs or magelight to pull NBs out of Cloak! Oh wait...

Did you read the OP? OP used all all counter to counter cloak beside detect pots, still counld get the cloakers. So much for counters if only 1 out of 5 works.

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

Nerf cloak thread? cloaks away.

I understand your pain tho, but at the same time I love annoying zergs with light attacks and then running away. Especially if they catch my name and whisper me to *** off. I love it. Sometimes I log in to just do that.

Sometimes I'll come across a lone player outside a keep and place mark on them. Not to attack them, just to watch them frantically spin around blocking trying to figure out where the Nightblade is going to jump from the shadows at them. Then I just cloak-run away laughing.

ealdwin wrote: »

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

Nerf cloak thread? cloaks away.

I understand your pain tho, but at the same time I love annoying zergs with light attacks and then running away. Especially if they catch my name and whisper me to *** off. I love it. Sometimes I log in to just do that.

Sometimes I'll come across a lone player outside a keep and place mark on them. Not to attack them, just to watch them frantically spin around blocking trying to figure out where the Nightblade is going to jump from the shadows at them. Then I just cloak-run away laughing.

Psychopath murderer, you must be injoying it when your victims suffer anxiety attacks before you kill them. Why are nightblades like this.

I usualy do the same when I play on my stamblade, though I kill them or attemp to do so if stop doing anything. Alway pick low lvl, them alway freak out.

What I don't get is how they're called nightblades when I see plenty of them in broad daylight. That makes them dayblades.

Wtf people?

Mind bottling.

You know, your thoughts all trapped up like in a bottle?

Pssssshhhh.... Nightblades. More like... Um... Brightblades. No that's dumb. Gah can't think of something bored hitting post reply now.

JinxxND wrote: »

Soul Shred and it's morphs should have the cast time removed or add cast times to more powerful defensive ultimate like the restoration staff ultimate or the Templar remembrance. Also soul siphon which was utilized more with stamnb on top of having the longest cast time of all the ultimate cast times can't even be use properly because the vigor nerf that only allows it to heal yourself and not teammates while magicka have multiple ways to heal teammates with regeneration etc.

just a side note, soul siphon is far more powerful than both remembrance and panacea.

Why is this so annoying? I see no reason why cloak should be nerfed from what you just stated. He disappeared. He didn’t kill you. He just disappeared. That’s what your complaining about. Roll a NB you can do it too.