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Any other way to get Vet Malestrom weapons then doing it?

Aptonoth
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I have atrocious rng on my character and need the staff for my build. It took me 200 attempts to get my burning spell weave amulet. As a magicka warden this trial takes a looooong time to do solo. Please tell me there is something I am missing? Or do I have to make my peace just knowing I'll never get the gear in there?
  • Nordic__Knights
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    You got to grind grind and grind some more only way to get what your after sorry to inform you
  • Aptonoth
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    You got to grind grind and grind some more only way to get what your after sorry to inform you

    So never. Thanks.
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    Soon they will come to crown store
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  • LordGavus
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    Just got to keep doing it.
    You get better and faster at it each time though.
  • ForsakenSin
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    Aptonoth wrote: »
    I have atrocious rng on my character and need the staff for my build. It took me 200 attempts to get my burning spell weave amulet. As a magicka warden this trial takes a looooong time to do solo. Please tell me there is something I am missing? Or do I have to make my peace just knowing I'll never get the gear in there?


    You think that is the problem..??

    Wait till the set you grinned for gets nerfed and useless...........
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    However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)



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    Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
    but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."

  • Aptonoth
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    Aptonoth wrote: »
    I have atrocious rng on my character and need the staff for my build. It took me 200 attempts to get my burning spell weave amulet. As a magicka warden this trial takes a looooong time to do solo. Please tell me there is something I am missing? Or do I have to make my peace just knowing I'll never get the gear in there?


    You think that is the problem..??

    Wait till the set you grinned for gets nerfed and useless...........

    Hence why I don't want to grind this out. At some point the weapons will become inferior and I can do something more fun.
  • Nemesis7884
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    I met a guy ingame, called himself M'aiq or something...and he told me that he'd sell me the weapon....maybe try finding him?
  • Frostystuff
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    Grind until you are out of cash (but have heaps of transmute stones) out of mats and no longer find any joy in logging on.

    The anxiety subsides and instead you feel nothing but a wearyness.
    On the upside it ll get faster, you ll have heaps of transmutes and you will be drilled in basic mechanics so that you are not a complete liability in trials.
  • starkerealm
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    Aptonoth wrote: »
    I have atrocious rng on my character and need the staff for my build. It took me 200 attempts to get my burning spell weave amulet. As a magicka warden this trial takes a looooong time to do solo. Please tell me there is something I am missing? Or do I have to make my peace just knowing I'll never get the gear in there?

    Work on improving, the amount of time vMA takes will decrease with practice.
  • Canned_Apples
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    Sets will always get buffed or nerfed. -So unless you actually enjoy doing vma- don't bother.
    I met a guy ingame, called himself M'aiq or something...and he told me that he'd sell me the weapon....maybe try finding him?

    Why u trollin'?
  • SidraWillowsky
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    What's your magden setup? I've gotten my runs on my magden down to about 50 minutes. Nothing spectacular, but certainly not a slog. Plus, it’s super easy to make the warden leaderboards, so you’ll likely get bonus gear each Sunday if you run it that week.

    If you’re interested, this build makes vMA feel almost easy. Not sure how this’ll change come Monday, however, but in the PTS, Fetcher Infection and Winter’s Revenge are both quite strong, so this may actually still be OKish with a few modifications.

    Gear: Necropotence, False God’s Devotion, and Iceheart. If you don’t have FGD, Julianos works too, if you want an easy, craftable set. I ran tri stat enchants on my head and shoulders for vMA, but do what works for you. You’ll likely want to switch to the Thief mundus as well (Iceheart procs when you deal critical damage, so you want your crit chance up, and it’ll be low given the lack of a full-on crit set like Mother’s Sorrow).

    Front bar: Degeneration (in this next update you my want to try using Fetcher Infection instead), Force Pulse, Enchanted Growth, Crystallized Slab, Bird of Prey, eternal guardian

    Back bar: Any combination of skills, really- Blockade of Fire (consider switching to Winter’s Revenge in 5.2), Shalks (I don’t actually run this in vMA, ever. Feels clunky), Soul Trap (likely useless in 5.2), Necrotic Orb, Lotus, Elemental Drain, Netch… whatever works, plus the bear. The front bar’s the important part- you’ve got a strong DoT, a spammable that does splash damage, minor berserk + mobility, and a crap ton of magicka that can be used to spam slab + growth, which has saved me many times in stage 5 and a few others.

    I’ve got Flawless Conqueror on my magden using this build. No issues with DPS checks and without using any sigils- I actually screwed things up badly in stage 6 and ended up with all obelisks covered. I was able to burn the boss without bothering to deal with the obelisks. I find magden in general to be really underrated -especially for solo play, where I’d say it’s the single strongest class- and I think it really shines in vMA, where you can make use of your mobility (wings!), self-applied buffs (sorcery, prophecy, minor berserk), tankiness (slab, frost cloak, leeching vines), and fantastic heals (enchanted growth, etc) while dealing respectable DPS.
  • starkerealm
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    Sets will always get buffed or nerfed. -So unless you actually enjoy doing vma- don't bother.
    I met a guy ingame, called himself M'aiq or something...and he told me that he'd sell me the weapon....maybe try finding him?

    Why u trollin'?

    M'aiq is the OG troll. :p
  • Rave the Histborn
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    Aptonoth wrote: »
    Aptonoth wrote: »
    I have atrocious rng on my character and need the staff for my build. It took me 200 attempts to get my burning spell weave amulet. As a magicka warden this trial takes a looooong time to do solo. Please tell me there is something I am missing? Or do I have to make my peace just knowing I'll never get the gear in there?


    You think that is the problem..??

    Wait till the set you grinned for gets nerfed and useless...........

    Hence why I don't want to grind this out. At some point the weapons will become inferior and I can do something more fun.

    I dont think that's the case with Maelstrom weapons though, they get nerfed but don't really fully drop off. You'll also be happier now getting it then thinking you won't need it and in the future it gets a buff. A great example is actually the succession set from vMA. It got a huge buff in scalebreaker and would be more meta if people hadn't disregarded it for years until the Scalebreaker buff
  • AndyMac
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    I would say run it during the Orsinium event but that won’t help now - I use inferno staves and they seem to drop for me during that event.

    Doing leaderboard runs at least gives you another drop chance.

    I’ve heard that running on stam gives a better chance of mag weapons and vice versa - but that could be a myth.

    Nothing else but keep running it really - I’ve run vMA quite a lot on my mDK and I have multiples of all weapons. It will drop eventually.
    Edited by AndyMac on October 18, 2019 6:14AM
    Andymac - Magicka DK - EP Grand Overlord - Flawless Conqueror
  • MLGProPlayer
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    Just do it during the Orsinium anniversary event every year. You get double drops.

    And vMA is extremely easy to complete on a magden (I did most of my vMA farming on a magden). Your have one of the best self heals in the game (vines). You also have more than enough DPS to skip all skippable mechanics.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on October 18, 2019 6:18AM
  • thorwyn
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    Hence why I don't want to grind this out. At some point the weapons will become inferior and I can do something more fun.

    Why do you want the staff in the first place then?
    And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
    And if there is no room upon the hill
    And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
    I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
  • UntilValhalla13
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    The staves and bows have been a staple for competent pve dps for years now, and it shows no sign of changing anytime soon. You just gotta do it, unfortunately. The double drop event was also like 2 months ago, so you'd be waiting roughly a year for that to be back.

    You're probably more than likely to get a gold weekly leaderboard drop running it on a warden, since there's usually not as many doing it. Just do it all in one sitting. Use all of the sigils if you have to.
  • Freakin_Hytte
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    There are people selling Vma runs just as people sell skinruns. But you gotta give up your account details so he can do it on your account, if you decide to do it just keep in mind that it's very expensive.
  • SoLooney
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    So you hope that maelstrom weapons will get nerfed to the ground?

    Considering the bow and destro staves have been BiS for years to this day, good luck waiting for something better lmao
  • redlink1979
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    Maybe you should have tried vMA during the Orsinium event, drops were doubled during that period.

    You just need to keep trying.
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  • January1171
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    There are people selling Vma runs just as people sell skinruns. But you gotta give up your account details so he can do it on your account, if you decide to do it just keep in mind that it's very expensive.

    I'm pretty certain that's also against TOS, so probably don't do that.
  • SidraWillowsky
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    thorwyn wrote: »
    Hence why I don't want to grind this out. At some point the weapons will become inferior and I can do something more fun.

    Why do you want the staff in the first place then?

    Also adding that the vMA staff adds maybe 3-4k DPS- it will not make or break you, and you can certainly still clear 40k DPS with it. At this point I've seen many people torture themselves through dozens and dozens of vMA runs and hating every second of it, then burning out when they do finally get the weaps and eventually stop playing. If you hate it that much.... stop. Seriously. It's truly not worth it if it's THAT extraordinarily painful for you, and I say that with sincerity, not derision.
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    Takes me roughly 45~50 minutes a run. Also On magic warden. With ice staves. Keep hammering at it. You’ll get what you’re after before long.
  • Neoauspex
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    Aptonoth wrote: »
    I have atrocious rng on my character and need the staff for my build. It took me 200 attempts to get my burning spell weave amulet. As a magicka warden this trial takes a looooong time to do solo. Please tell me there is something I am missing? Or do I have to make my peace just knowing I'll never get the gear in there?

    If you're looking for a staff, run it on a Stam character and vice versa
  • Kalik_Gold
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    They need craftable 2 piece and 3 piece sets with hard to get ingredients. Not everyone does PvE.

    My RNG sucked when I had a Petsorc for VMA haven’t been back.
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    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
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  • Taleof2Cities
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    Try grinding for THIS weapon ... your perspective on the vMA Inferno Staff will change pretty quickly.

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  • gangyzgirl
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    If you just want the staff you could farm vma on a magicka pet sorc. Would be much less stressful if you just want to hunt for a particular weapon.
  • idk
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    Get someone else to do it for you. Some top raiders have vMA weapons and never cleared it themselves with friends doing the deed for them. Some have sold clears for real world money but this is less common.
    Edited by idk on October 18, 2019 3:10PM
  • Kingslayer513
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    Aptonoth wrote: »
    I have atrocious rng on my character and need the staff for my build. It took me 200 attempts to get my burning spell weave amulet. As a magicka warden this trial takes a looooong time to do solo. Please tell me there is something I am missing? Or do I have to make my peace just knowing I'll never get the gear in there?

    It's honestly not that bad now that transmute is a thing. Used to be so much worse. But yes, it's the only way and it is still a grind.
  • Kingslayer513
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    Aptonoth wrote: »
    Aptonoth wrote: »
    I have atrocious rng on my character and need the staff for my build. It took me 200 attempts to get my burning spell weave amulet. As a magicka warden this trial takes a looooong time to do solo. Please tell me there is something I am missing? Or do I have to make my peace just knowing I'll never get the gear in there?


    You think that is the problem..??

    Wait till the set you grinned for gets nerfed and useless...........

    Hence why I don't want to grind this out. At some point the weapons will become inferior and I can do something more fun.

    I doubt it. Those staves have been BiS for a very very long time. Don't see that changing anytime soon, but this is ZOS we're talking about so anything is possible.
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