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Has Zo$ published clear and detailed reasons why all these unpopular changes are being implemented?
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GlorphNoldorin✭✭✭✭✭
This must be a joke i suppose as no man ever lived on earth who has been critisized more loudly than Wrobel was.
This is true, Wrobel was soundly lambasted but the game was in hindsight still playable and enjoyable after a fashion (proc sets, some balance but sustain ok, diversity ok).
The problem now is this homogenization, balance, sustain, the destruction of unique class identities and the about change wholesale destruction of abilities with no clear purpose. That is far worse than Wrobel.
The old saying of 'better the Devil you know' applied. The steam numbers support that this is a different issue, a more serious issue. There have always been complaints with patches and at times players have left. When all my friend's but a handful suddenly in this patch start playing other games........ye its a serious issue.
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Change is unpopular by human condition. It is almost instinct to not want change. That is why companies give great bonuses to new customers and treat long established customers often poorly. They know you are loathe to move on.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
Commancho✭✭✭✭✭Canned_Apples wrote: »Really? Unless you're trying to gold out your jewelry (scoreboard chasing)- it isn't anywhere near 1 mill.A million gold and hundred hours for farming crystals? I’d suggest your doing something wrong as even with all gold gear it doesn’t cost me near that much. Granted, my jewelry is already gold to start with but is not waste anything on upgrading jewelry like that anyhow.
Upgrading armor 45 x 7k (Dreugh Wax) = 315k, 5x 5k =25k (Tempering Alloy)
Upgrading weapons 5-10 x 5k = 25-50k (Tempering Alloy), 5 x 2.5k = 12.5k (Rosin)
Kuta up to 12 x 2.5k = 30k + eventualy 3x Hakiejo = 35k
Upgrading jewelry to purple = 9x25k = 225k
Summary without gold jewelry = 690k ; With golden jewelry = 1650k
Price of BiS weapons/shields = between 100-250k (assuming they are not hot from latest DLC).
Price of BiS armors = around 50k per piece x 5 = 250k
Stop embarassing yourselves.
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ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Many ppl do not see the fact the ppl support dot meta and ppl who are against dot meta are very different groups of players.0 -
b95fister✭✭✭Y’all are missing the point it’s not they we fear change or hate change or fear being nerfed.
It’s the fact they buff a skill one patch then the very next patch nerf the skill to below what it was before they buffed it.
This fact makes people go wtf??????3 -
themaddaedra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Canned_Apples wrote: »Really? Unless you're trying to gold out your jewelry (scoreboard chasing)- it isn't anywhere near 1 mill.A million gold and hundred hours for farming crystals? I’d suggest your doing something wrong as even with all gold gear it doesn’t cost me near that much. Granted, my jewelry is already gold to start with but is not waste anything on upgrading jewelry like that anyhow.
Upgrading armor 45 x 7k (Dreugh Wax) = 315k, 5x 5k =25k (Tempering Alloy)
Upgrading weapons 5-10 x 5k = 25-50k (Tempering Alloy), 5 x 2.5k = 12.5k (Rosin)
Kuta up to 12 x 2.5k = 30k + eventualy 3x Hakiejo = 35k
Upgrading jewelry to purple = 9x25k = 225k
Summary without gold jewelry = 690k ; With golden jewelry = 1650k
Price of BiS weapons/shields = between 100-250k (assuming they are not hot from latest DLC).
Price of BiS armors = around 50k per piece x 5 = 250k
Stop embarassing yourselves.
Oh my what is this abomination disguised in math numbers? Like neither 45 (wax) nor 10 (temper) doesn't even equally split to 8 (number of gold mats required to upgrade an item).
So you have 45/8 light/medium armor and 10/8 weapons. Excellent math in there.
PS: I'm not familiar with the discussion before and i don't care how much this sh!t costs at all. Just amazed by the math.
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Commancho✭✭✭✭✭themaddaedra wrote: »Oh my what is this abomination disguised in math numbers? Like neither 45 (wax) nor 10 (temper) doesn't even equally split to 8 (number of gold mats required to upgrade an item).
So you have 45/8 light/medium armor and 10/8 weapons. Excellent math in there.
PS: I'm not familiar with the discussion before and i don't care how much this sh!t costs at all. Just amazed by the math.
Yeah, attack gramma or math when you have nothing interesting to bring into discusion...
It should be 48 Dreugh Wax (6x8 - 5xArmor + 1x monster set). Okay now? Dig the point?
Way less people would be upset if we could retrive golden upgrades / glyphs from items.
Some people are claiming here that deep balance changes hurt only meta & hardcore players. That's not true - usually hardcore players have either tons of gold or transmutation geodes. It hurts everyone and especialy casual players - it takes them alot of time to complete a BiS gear and then BA DUM TSSS nerf hammer is comming into a game. It also hurts ZOS, because hardcore players could buy CROWNS for gold instead of UPGRADING THEIR GEAR AGAIN.
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themaddaedra✭✭✭✭✭
✭themaddaedra wrote: »Oh my what is this abomination disguised in math numbers? Like neither 45 (wax) nor 10 (temper) doesn't even equally split to 8 (number of gold mats required to upgrade an item).
So you have 45/8 light/medium armor and 10/8 weapons. Excellent math in there.
PS: I'm not familiar with the discussion before and i don't care how much this sh!t costs at all. Just amazed by the math.
Yeah, attack gramma or math when you have nothing interesting to bring into discusion...
It should be 48 Dreugh Wax (6x8 - 5xArmor + 1x monster set). Okay now? Dig the point?
Way less people would be upset if we could retrive golden upgrades / glyphs from items.
Some people are claiming here that deep balance changes hurt only meta & hardcore players. That's not true - usually hardcore players have either tons of gold or transmutation geodes. It hurts everyone and especialy casual players - it takes them alot of time to complete a BiS gear and then BA DUM TSSS nerf hammer is comming into a game. It also hurts ZOS, because hardcore players could buy CROWNS for gold instead of UPGRADING THEIR GEAR AGAIN.
Easy, champ. You can see that i already said i don't care what is the cost or what you are trying to prove. Your math is just broken and the reason why it's funny is that you tell people to stop embarassing themselves, using that math lol.
And using capital letters doesn't make you sound more intelligent than you actually are, just a free info.PC|EU1 -
Commancho✭✭✭✭✭
You are trying to trigger me in a lame way. People like you should be banned from these forums. First you go into discussions and once proved wrong you try to derail threads with some nonsense comments.themaddaedra wrote: »And using capital letters doesn't make you sound more intelligent than you actually are, just a free info.2 -
themaddaedra✭✭✭✭✭
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You are trying to trigger me in a lame way. People like you should be banned from these forums. First you go into discussions and once proved wrong you try to derail threads with some nonsense comments.themaddaedra wrote: »And using capital letters doesn't make you sound more intelligent than you actually are, just a free info.
I'm terribly exposed, sorry. Now i can't try to trigger anyone in a lame way anymore. Dang.PC|EU0 -
Canned_Apples✭✭✭✭✭
✭Canned_Apples wrote: »Really? Unless you're trying to gold out your jewelry (scoreboard chasing)- it isn't anywhere near 1 mill.A million gold and hundred hours for farming crystals? I’d suggest your doing something wrong as even with all gold gear it doesn’t cost me near that much. Granted, my jewelry is already gold to start with but is not waste anything on upgrading jewelry like that anyhow.
Upgrading armor 45 x 7k (Dreugh Wax) = 315k, 5x 5k =25k (Tempering Alloy)
Upgrading weapons 5-10 x 5k = 25-50k (Tempering Alloy), 5 x 2.5k = 12.5k (Rosin)
Kuta up to 12 x 2.5k = 30k + eventualy 3x Hakiejo = 35k
Upgrading jewelry to purple = 9x25k = 225k
Summary without gold jewelry = 690k ; With golden jewelry = 1650k
Price of BiS weapons/shields = between 100-250k (assuming they are not hot from latest DLC).
Price of BiS armors = around 50k per piece x 5 = 250k
Stop embarassing yourselves.
Trololol.
Good effort, bro.
If you’re chasing the cheese-meta, you deserve your flawed calculations.0 -
Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Canned_Apples wrote: »Canned_Apples wrote: »Really? Unless you're trying to gold out your jewelry (scoreboard chasing)- it isn't anywhere near 1 mill.A million gold and hundred hours for farming crystals? I’d suggest your doing something wrong as even with all gold gear it doesn’t cost me near that much. Granted, my jewelry is already gold to start with but is not waste anything on upgrading jewelry like that anyhow.
Upgrading armor 45 x 7k (Dreugh Wax) = 315k, 5x 5k =25k (Tempering Alloy)
Upgrading weapons 5-10 x 5k = 25-50k (Tempering Alloy), 5 x 2.5k = 12.5k (Rosin)
Kuta up to 12 x 2.5k = 30k + eventualy 3x Hakiejo = 35k
Upgrading jewelry to purple = 9x25k = 225k
Summary without gold jewelry = 690k ; With golden jewelry = 1650k
Price of BiS weapons/shields = between 100-250k (assuming they are not hot from latest DLC).
Price of BiS armors = around 50k per piece x 5 = 250k
Stop embarassing yourselves.
Trololol.
Good effort, bro.
If you’re chasing the cheese-meta, you deserve your flawed calculations.
Well this post went off the rails. Btw if you are chasing the cheese-meta, stop it! It's Nacho Cheese!0 -
ZOS_RogerJ✭✭✭✭Greetings! We've closed this thread to prevent further derailing. Please keep thread discussions, on-topic, constructive and civil.Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on October 18, 2019 3:28PMThe Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited - ZeniMax Online Studios
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