How was this overlooked?

Blinkin8r · October 2019

Wow OP way to put it into words. I've been wondering wtf has been going on when trying to roll dodge. Can't tell you how many times I've tried roll dodging out of a root, accidentally blocked multiple attacks, and now don't have enough stam to roll dodge. I didn't know what exactly was going on though. Horrible change that needs to be reverted.

Moloch1514 · October 2019

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we would like to remind everyone to keep all posts on topic and refrain from derailing the thread.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

@ZOS_GregoryV can you help get us a real dev response? I was fooled by the "Z" while awaiting to hear of a fix on this issue.

Iskiab · October 2019

Ah intersting, I noticed it’s been harder to dodge roll and didn’t know why.

azjuwelz · October 2019

Thanks for clearing this up--thought I'd gotten worse at dodging when I'd been so good at it before. Makes a lot more sense now.

Lately I've been hitting my sprint pad 1st before LT and A, which seems to help. But yes, more stamina spent.

Millz · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

This is one of the worst changes that has ever gone

Please revert this.

im sory you dont like this change but many of us DO like this change. and we have been asking for a change like this for a long tiome and we want more changes to jumping, and the fix of this jumping exploit that you guys have been using for a long time.

Literally has nothing to do with the OP subject

React · October 2019

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we would like to remind everyone to keep all posts on topic and refrain from derailing the thread.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Thank you for cleaning up the thread. Perhaps you could forward this to the development team or tag one of them for us? Clearly from the responses this is a widespread issue that needs to be corrected.

ThePhantomThorn · October 2019

That’s why I kept dying
Thanks zos...

Ez solution. Give xbox a pts
Done

MurderMostFoul · October 2019

I've always pressed block then A for dodge rolling. I execute it so quickly that the block animation never comes up. I'm sure that I still wind up blocking for about .1 secs, but honestly it's never been an issue.

I would rather have instantly responsive jumps.

React · October 2019

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I've always pressed block then A for dodge rolling. I execute it so quickly that the block animation never comes up. I'm sure that I still wind up blocking for about .1 secs, but honestly it's never been an issue.

I would rather have instantly responsive jumps.

Come on, you're smarter than that. I can animation cancel as fast as anyone on the server, and I've had 7k+ hours in pvp honing my timing. The fact is that the button combination required for dodge roll on console FORCES you to block now, and this is extremely problematic while outnumbered, especially in open world. With the amount of lag in cyrodil, that ".1 seconds" is hardly ever just that. Additionally when dodging on lower stamina, that ".1 seconds" or whatever the lag extends it to is often the difference in having enough stamina to dodge and spending that stamina on the block you're forced to execute.

There also is no need for a "more responsive jump" than simply tapping the A button (or whatever you've re mapped jump to) allows for.

Waffennacht · October 2019

See I held block prior to hitting A

I'm also very disappointed in myself this being the first of even thinking of hitting and holding A first

I'm further saddened to know I will never have the opportunity to do such

Tiff_ar15 · October 2019

Wow.. so this explains it. I thought it was me lmao.

Jem_Kindheart · October 2019

I use a xbone controller on pc and noticed this change sometime too. (surprisingly the controller is perfectly fluid and fine in trials). But it does cause the jump-blocking a lot more than it should. Like in VSS ice boss you can dodgeroll through the strafe line aoe to get to the other atros, I jump-blocked right onto it a few times hahaha! Now I don't risk it and heal across it which is fine. Idk what exploit this 'fixed' (pvp?) but it introduced clumsiness.

usmguy1234 · October 2019

Liam12548 wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I've always pressed block then A for dodge rolling. I execute it so quickly that the block animation never comes up. I'm sure that I still wind up blocking for about .1 secs, but honestly it's never been an issue.

I would rather have instantly responsive jumps.

Come on, you're smarter than that. I can animation cancel as fast as anyone on the server, and I've had 7k+ hours in pvp honing my timing. The fact is that the button combination required for dodge roll on console FORCES you to block now, and this is extremely problematic while outnumbered, especially in open world. With the amount of lag in cyrodil, that ".1 seconds" is hardly ever just that. Additionally when dodging on lower stamina, that ".1 seconds" or whatever the lag extends it to is often the difference in having enough stamina to dodge and spending that stamina on the block you're forced to execute.

There also is no need for a "more responsive jump" than simply tapping the A button (or whatever you've re mapped jump to) allows for.

Ok I don't feel so bad getting my ass handed to me even time I've fought you. 7k+ hours is pretty darn impressive. I try to pick off people between where the other two alliances fight. Not being able to roll dodge outnumbered is a death sentence. Since I'm always solo that's pretty much all the time.

React · October 2019

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I've always pressed block then A for dodge rolling. I execute it so quickly that the block animation never comes up. I'm sure that I still wind up blocking for about .1 secs, but honestly it's never been an issue.

I would rather have instantly responsive jumps.

Come on, you're smarter than that. I can animation cancel as fast as anyone on the server, and I've had 7k+ hours in pvp honing my timing. The fact is that the button combination required for dodge roll on console FORCES you to block now, and this is extremely problematic while outnumbered, especially in open world. With the amount of lag in cyrodil, that ".1 seconds" is hardly ever just that. Additionally when dodging on lower stamina, that ".1 seconds" or whatever the lag extends it to is often the difference in having enough stamina to dodge and spending that stamina on the block you're forced to execute.

There also is no need for a "more responsive jump" than simply tapping the A button (or whatever you've re mapped jump to) allows for.

Ok I don't feel so bad getting my ass handed to me even time I've fought you. 7k+ hours is pretty darn impressive. I try to pick off people between where the other two alliances fight. Not being able to roll dodge outnumbered is a death sentence. Since I'm always solo that's pretty much all the time.

Haha yeah I've put in the time to get to where I'm at, so having changes like this that serve no purpose whatsoever while severely hurting the gameplay just make me not want to pick up the controller. It's infuriating dealing with this because it actually breaks controller functionality, it has nothing to do with "adapting" at this point.

susmitds · October 2019

@ZOS_RobGarrett Please give consoles the option to individually customize keys like PC or at least a way to untie Bash and Dodge from auto-block.

brandonv516 · October 2019

Never even thought of dodge rolling this way (I've always blocked + jump), but I can see how it would bug players who have gotten used to doing it the other way around.

RighteousBacon · October 2019

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we would like to remind everyone to keep all posts on topic and refrain from derailing the thread.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

This thread is spot on, idk what you’re talking about

React · October 2019

brandonv516 wrote: »

Never even thought of dodge rolling this way (I've always blocked + jump), but I can see how it would bug players who have gotten used to doing it the other way around.

Yep, super frustrating that they're forcing controllers into an inferior playstyle because they didn't test a pointless change.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_RobGarrett
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Can someone PLEASE comment on this? We are nearing 50 replies of almost 100% negative feedback about this change, and I've very clearly explained why it is problematic and needs to be reverted. We even had a forum mod comment but still somehow no dev acknowledgement? This is exactly what people are talking about when they point out ZOS's lack of communication on important issues.

usmguy1234 · October 2019

Liam12548 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Never even thought of dodge rolling this way (I've always blocked + jump), but I can see how it would bug players who have gotten used to doing it the other way around.

Yep, super frustrating that they're forcing controllers into an inferior playstyle because they didn't test a pointless change.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_RobGarrett
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Can someone PLEASE comment on this? We are nearing 50 replies of almost 100% negative feedback about this change, and I've very clearly explained why it is problematic and needs to be reverted. We even had a forum mod comment but still somehow no dev acknowledgement? This is exactly what people are talking about when they point out ZOS's lack of communication on important issues.

I also reported this issue to the class rep named Glorious and they claim that they have addressed this to the dev team. If this is true, that makes the lack of transparency on zos' part even more insulting.

FrankonPC · October 2019

idk about you guys, but I personally love jump blocking as I am trying to dodge roll 10 people spamming me with ranged single target abilities. RP Pinata is a pretty nice addition this patch.

AMeanOne · October 2019

I sent a ticket in every day last pts cycle hoping they would fix it before it went live. There was a note in the last patch notes that they knew about it and were working on fixing it. Hmmmmmm

React · October 2019

AMeanOne wrote: »

I sent a ticket in every day last pts cycle hoping they would fix it before it went live. There was a note in the last patch notes that they knew about it and were working on fixing it. Hmmmmmm

See, this doesn't make any sense to me. The change had no clear intention as far as I can tell. The "fix" should be to simply revert it.

BrentBlemish · October 2019

i know this issue is only going to effect a handful of players. to think its going to effect all console players is just wrong. Some, yes. But me personally, I've been playing on PS4 for over 3 years and ive ALWAYS roll dodged by blocking first. I didn't even know about this hold X then release to jump thing. You learn something new everyday. lol

Jayne_Doe · October 2019

I didn't notice this discussion during the last PTS, so I was very confused, as was my spouse, as to why we were suddenly jump blocking a lot of the time. I never really thought about whether I hit block or jump first, as when I learned years ago from the tutorial, it seemed to me you were to push them simultaneously. Which is what I had done up until a few weeks ago, when I realized that holding block first, then pressing jump seemed to work more consistently. I suspect that I was either hitting jump first or hitting them simultaneously, which doesn't work now.

Stratforge · October 2019

Liam12548 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Never even thought of dodge rolling this way (I've always blocked + jump), but I can see how it would bug players who have gotten used to doing it the other way around.

Yep, super frustrating that they're forcing controllers into an inferior playstyle because they didn't test a pointless change.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_RobGarrett
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Can someone PLEASE comment on this? We are nearing 50 replies of almost 100% negative feedback about this change, and I've very clearly explained why it is problematic and needs to be reverted. We even had a forum mod comment but still somehow no dev acknowledgement? This is exactly what people are talking about when they point out ZOS's lack of communication on important issues.

@ZOS_GinaBruno how we doing on this? Any follow-up?

RouDeR · October 2019

Hey guys i just wanted to tell you that i reported this issue right after it hit PC( i play with PS4 controller), my post was ignored like always and later on you got the trash delivery

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/484980/game-breaking-bug-controller-ui-roll-dodging-has-cast-time#latest

anyway, the issue seems to be fixed since several patches ago on PC, idk why is not on console yet

Stratforge · November 2019

Liam12548 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Never even thought of dodge rolling this way (I've always blocked + jump), but I can see how it would bug players who have gotten used to doing it the other way around.

Yep, super frustrating that they're forcing controllers into an inferior playstyle because they didn't test a pointless change.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_RobGarrett
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Can someone PLEASE comment on this? We are nearing 50 replies of almost 100% negative feedback about this change, and I've very clearly explained why it is problematic and needs to be reverted. We even had a forum mod comment but still somehow no dev acknowledgement? This is exactly what people are talking about when they point out ZOS's lack of communication on important issues.

Hey so did this get rolled back or not?

MentalxHammer · December 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Why did they even touch jumping?

This was their sad attempt to fix the long jump bug. I got news for you ZOS, it didnt work, I'm still long jumping around all the other console plebs! All you did was make the casuals angry

Neoauspex · December 2019

Wondered why I miss dodge rolls half the time now... Good info thanks OP

Blackleopardex · December 2019

I don't play on console but damn that must suck...