Who else cancels ESO+ when they want to run random dungeons?

Khenarthi · October 2019

At the moment I'm questing with my main character (CP810+ but I still have quests to complete in Summerset/Murkmire/Elsweyr); I'm also joining random dungeon groups with a few baby characters for a simple way to level skills without grinding, meeting new players, having fun without a lot of hassle.

However, as soon as a character hits level 45 I retire them from random dungeoning, to avoid the possibility of getting placed on a DLC dungeon. Before, when baby alts could get placed on DLC dungeons, I stayed well clear of the group finder random search for that same reason.

Don't get me wrong, DLC dungeons have their merits, they're just not for me: too long, too many mechanics even at "normal" difficulty, many other players tend to quit the group when placed in one of those.

I am cancelling ESO+ once my little alts all reach level 45, only so that I can continue to use the group finder in relative tranquility. Are there other players who do the same? Do you think it would be reasonable for the game designers to add a "non-DLC only" toggle to that tool, or would it mean no-one would voluntarily sign up for those outside of pledges?

I'd be happy to let ZOS have my money all year round but... random DLC dungeons... bleh.

Edit: thank you all for your insights, this thread gave me some good perspective and alternative solutions to my dilemma.

Yuffie91 · October 2019

Mmm I wish there was an option to queue for random dungeons or random dlc dungeons..I don't like dlc dungeons either

phaneub17_ESO · October 2019

I tend to subscribe for 1 month when I want to clear my bags, bank, storage containers, and do all the surveys hoarded away. Do some DLC content then after a month is up, I'm back to free mode to do random dungeon without the worry of getting DLC dungeons in the mix.

vibeborn · October 2019

I haven't cancelled my subscription, but I don't like DLC dungeons either, so I'm always nervous whenever I go into a random dungeon (which is rare because of the constant fear of performing badly, which is only worsened when it's a DLC one)

I guess so far the best luck one has is to be in a group with someone who doesn't have access to DLC dungeons (or end the subscription, but I love the crafting materials sack (or whatever it's called) too much to cancel it)

blee88 · October 2019

What's the point of ever doing random dungeons?? Purple training gear from level 2 with 50% exp boost, a character takes 7 hours from 3-50.

If you need skill points, the fastest way is to just clear all the public dungeons and grab the sky shard in each one. After that, you'll probably want Undaunted so you get the quest and skill point from dungeons queuing the specific pledges each day.

If you queue random dungeons then have to do them for a pledge later on it's not efficient. Though I am a PVP player so I don't understand the issue with DLC dungeons to begin with, especially on normal.

Kuramas9tails · October 2019

I think between the time it would take me to cancel, restart the app, load back in and queue, I could have just queued, left if it was a DLC dungeon and then requeue after the timer goes off in the same amount of time. Wouldn't save me any time and add more to the process which I am about doing the least amount of work possible.

idk · October 2019

I cannot remember the last time I had an issue running a daily random dungeon and I have ESO+. I guess we all have different challenge levels we choose to tackle. Enjoy the limitations of not having ESO+

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · October 2019

Khenarthi wrote: »

At the moment I'm questing with my main character (CP810+ but I still have quests to complete in Summerset/Murkmire/Elsweyr); I'm also joining random dungeon groups with a few baby characters for a simple way to level skills without grinding, meeting new players, having fun without a lot of hassle.

However, as soon as a character hits level 45 I retire them from random dungeoning, to avoid the possibility of getting placed on a DLC dungeon. Before, when baby alts could get placed on DLC dungeons, I stayed well clear of the group finder random search for that same reason.

Don't get me wrong, DLC dungeons have their merits, they're just not for me: too long, too many mechanics even at "normal" difficulty, many other players tend to quit the group when placed in one of those.

I am cancelling ESO+ once my little alts all reach level 45, only so that I can continue to use the group finder in relative tranquility. Are there other players who do the same? Do you think it would be reasonable for the game designers to add a "non-DLC only" toggle to that tool, or would it mean no-one would voluntarily sign up for those outside of pledges?

I'd be happy to let ZOS have my money all year round but... random DLC dungeons... bleh.

Form a group with a low level friend. Or go to new zones like Auridon and ask around. There are always low level players wanting to do random dungeon fast with a high level.

Khenarthi · October 2019

blee88 wrote: »

What's the point of ever doing random dungeons?? Purple training gear from level 2 with 50% exp boost, a character takes 7 hours from 3-50.

For me, it's just for easy-going fun. Meeting new players and helping them is always a bonus (I met some who didn't know about buff food, for example). Running this content makes the game less solitary, without being too demanding.

Khenarthi · October 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

At the moment I'm questing with my main character (CP810+ but I still have quests to complete in Summerset/Murkmire/Elsweyr); I'm also joining random dungeon groups with a few baby characters for a simple way to level skills without grinding, meeting new players, having fun without a lot of hassle.

However, as soon as a character hits level 45 I retire them from random dungeoning, to avoid the possibility of getting placed on a DLC dungeon. Before, when baby alts could get placed on DLC dungeons, I stayed well clear of the group finder random search for that same reason.

Don't get me wrong, DLC dungeons have their merits, they're just not for me: too long, too many mechanics even at "normal" difficulty, many other players tend to quit the group when placed in one of those.

I am cancelling ESO+ once my little alts all reach level 45, only so that I can continue to use the group finder in relative tranquility. Are there other players who do the same? Do you think it would be reasonable for the game designers to add a "non-DLC only" toggle to that tool, or would it mean no-one would voluntarily sign up for those outside of pledges?

I'd be happy to let ZOS have my money all year round but... random DLC dungeons... bleh.

Form a group with a low level friend. Or go to new zones like Auridon and ask around. There are always low level players wanting to do random dungeon fast with a high level.

Great advice! Thank you, I'll offer my tanking services in lowbie zones and see how that goes

Raisin · October 2019

I admire your commitment, but I wouldn't trade ESO+ bonus for the small amount of bonus EXP you get from running the random dungeon. Doesn't seem worth it.

In the end, the answer remains the same. As you say, the random dungeon is basically to fix the queue and send people to groups that need it. The EXP and items are meant to be an incentive for what is essentially a service. It helps keep the system functioning and completes groups no one else specifically queued for. The reward you get for running a random dungeon is a reward for taking what the game gives you, and offering yourself up to fill a group that needs someone.
If you don't like running the DLCs, just use queue for a specific dungeon and check all but the DLCs. You get the same joy you had before reaching 45, you just don't get the reward because you don't qualify for it anymore. Which is fair, as you're getting rid of the risk of being put into a dungeon you didn't want.

Your solution of skipping out on ESO+ is probably healthiest though.

If you're okay with it, why not save some money, y'know?

Edit: Also, if you have other things you can do, it's really not that bad to take the deserter penalty, get something else done, and queue again. Of course there's no guarantee you won't just continue to get a dungeon you don't wanna run.

Donny_Vito · October 2019

I wish I would unsub my ESO+, especially since I am not playing that much at the moment. But the thought of logging in and not having the crafting bag is enough to keep my subbing *cringes*

Taleof2Cities · October 2019

Looks like a handful of players will go to great lengths to avoid learning dungeon mechanics.

Katahdin · October 2019

Nope.
I have the 3 month renewal option so not going to cancel for 3 months just for dungeons.

If I get a dlc dungeon, I try the first boss. If the group can't handle it, I say I don't think the group can handle it and I leave. By that time, I usually can regroup.

Darkenarlol · October 2019

nah i don't unsub for randoms ofc

but when ZOS brings free eso+ weeks

i'm avoiding pugs at all costs

(while playing DLC dungeons with some buddies

who don't have permanent ESO+ for different reasons)

NordSwordnBoard · October 2019

I stopped ESO+ mainly due to the performance. The added "benefit" of having simpler content to do doesn't really matter to me and I can only repeat the new dungeons so much before they get old too. I used to dedicate myself to doing undaunted dailies, but PvE just doesn't thrill me as much as it used to.

Solo/Group content in PvP is the best and has the most build freedom. I'm starting to have fun again in this game doing PvP (when it functions), and you don't need eso+ for any of that. Writs and such are easy if you have a guild bank for stacks of materials. Even if you don't, you really don't need everything in the game in storage. I can spend an extra few minutes each day juggling inventory limitations instead of paying a fee. Farming new gear is easy these days with transmute. I have all the storage boxes for my house which also significantly helps.

TLDR; The game is no different for me without ESO+, with the exception of spending 2-3 minutes juggling inventory after writs.

IndianaJames7 · October 2019

Lol and I thought I was lazy by only leveling my alts during xp events. You OP have earned my respect! xD

But no I don’t think dlcs should be removed from random queue. Random queue as I see it primarily serves to populate instances that others are specifically queueing for to get gear. Most of the dungeons I have needed to farm gear from recently have been dlcs, so removing them from random queue would be pretty self defeating.

El_Borracho · October 2019

I just assume its going to take me to a DLC dungeon. And the off time it doesn't, its a cakewalk

srfrogg23 · October 2019

No, I don't usually cancel my sub just to do dungeons because I want the crafting bag and it's only a 15 minute penalty if I leave the dungeon. That and waiting on my sub to run out after canceling defeats the purpose, anyway.

I stick around for a little bit, but I have adopted a "3 strike rule". 3 wipes on the same encounter and I'm out (extenuating circumstances pending). That being said, when I do bail, it's usually after the 15 minute limit anyway.

redspecter23 · October 2019

When I unsub, it isn't specifically to lose the DLC's from the random queue but I definitely take advantage of that while my wallet is taking a break.

Ackwalan · October 2019

Canceling ESO + won't automatically take DLC dungeons off the list. You also have to wait for the current subscription to expire.

If you are looking for a fast way to level from 45 to CP160, there are better ways then cancelling ESO + just for the random dungeon xp bonus.

Dusk_Coven · October 2019

blee88 wrote: »

What's the point of ever doing random dungeons?

It's to populate the queue.
If you've ever queued for a specific dungeon but it takes forever to pop, it's because no one is in the random queue -- especially if the dungeon you want for whatever reason (monster helm, set farming, whatever) isn't the pledge for that day.

FFXIV has a random queue for their various tiers of dungeons and trials, and awards a "role-in-need" bonus to help form groups -- not just the one random queue which people treat as one-and-done here.

JamieAubrey · October 2019

You do know you can PICK which dungeons you can run right ?

exeeter702 · October 2019

Correct me if I'm wrong here..... but eso+ benefits remain until the next billing cycle, and for most eso+ members, getting to 45 takes a few afternoons at worst. So unless your *** is about to hit its charge date, this is an awful waste of time just avoid some harder dlc dungeons. Youd have to hit 45 and then possibly wait weeks before you queue for dungeon finder.

starkerealm · October 2019

blee88 wrote: »

What's the point of ever doing random dungeons??

There's a nice hit of XP in a single dose. It's something around 120k before doubling, once you've hit 50. It's useful for players in the CP10-300 bracket to rank up quickly.

As for players having issues with nDLCs? Yeah, they exist. I've seen a group that couldn't clear nMHK, when I randomed in on a healer. It does happen.

JamieAubrey wrote: »

You do know you can PICK which dungeons you can run right?

They're after the daily random XP hit.

El_Borracho · October 2019

@JamieAubrey But you get the bonus loot and XP for running the daily random

Calm_Fury · October 2019

I love the DLC dungeons, but getting them on group finder is painful.

I'm already considering letting my ESO+ subscription run out for the next Undaunted events. It is just so much easier to enjoy when you don't need to worry about 50% of your groups failing when getting a vDLC dungeon.

As someone who is running vDLC dungeons daily with the Finder, I'd welcome a change so that only people that actually wanna run those are on the groups.

For the random daily, I do think the rewards need to be lowered accordingly if you can opt-out of the DLC dungeons.

Delpi · October 2019

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I tend to subscribe for 1 month when I want to clear my bags, bank, storage containers, and do all the surveys hoarded away. Do some DLC content then after a month is up, I'm back to free mode to do random dungeon without the worry of getting DLC dungeons in the mix.

Same here. I want to sub this month but with the upcoming undaunted event I won't. I don't want to do dlc dungeons... I work, I don't have time to whipe three times with a pug group!!! :P

Donny_Vito · October 2019

These are what I would call first world problems -- you have TOO many options and these options may include new, challenging dungeons. It's like you want less options that are not as difficult.

pelle412 · October 2019

I've seen this in other MMOs and they had an option to de-select the dungeons you didn't want included in the "randomizer", but each dungeon that you de-selected decreased the final rewards. Could be a QoL add to ESO if devs ever look for low priority stuff to do (like never...).

CaffeinatedMayhem · October 2019

If you don't want to get DLC dungeons in Random Normals, do what everyone else does - group someone who is under 50 or doesn't have ESO+.

If you're running Random Vets, you should be good enough to handle whatever DF gives you. *evil grin*