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Maelstrom Dual-Wield is hilariously bad
LiquidPony
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Here are values for DoTs empowered by Cruel Flurry and not empowered.
The setup is a stamsorc, 5 x Relequen, 5 x Lokke, and either 2 x vMA DW or 2 x Velidreth.
Empowered with Cruel Flurry
Rending Slashes non-crit: 2006
Rending Slashes crit: 4032
Poison Injection non-crit: 1935
Poison Injection crit: 3890
Barbed Trap non-crit: 2006
Barbed Trap crit: 4032
Not Empowered
Rending Slashes non-crit: 1724
Rending Slashes crit: 3464
Poison Injection non-crit: 1663
Poison Injection crit: 3344
Barbed Trap non-crit: 1724
Barbed Trap crit: 3464
So this is a ~16.36% damage increase on single-target DoTs. If these three DoTs comprise a total of 20% of your DPS (which is *very* generous), vMA DW would provide a grand total of a 3.2% DPS increase ... which is not really worth running considering the damage + 1-piece stat you can get from a monster set. In practice, those three DoTs will probably be closer to 10-12% of your total DPS, which means you'd probably get just as much out of running Agility DW as you would Maelstrom.
And that's assuming you bother using Rending Slashes or Poison Injection, when a fair amount of testing indicates that they may not be worth using at all.
TL;DR: Buff vMA DW back to +2000 Weapon Damage (and give us the 1-piece stat bonus back!)
Edited by LiquidPony on October 8, 2019 8:56PM The setup is a stamsorc, 5 x Relequen, 5 x Lokke, and either 2 x vMA DW or 2 x Velidreth.
Empowered with Cruel Flurry
Rending Slashes non-crit: 2006
Rending Slashes crit: 4032
Poison Injection non-crit: 1935
Poison Injection crit: 3890
Barbed Trap non-crit: 2006
Barbed Trap crit: 4032
Not Empowered
Rending Slashes non-crit: 1724
Rending Slashes crit: 3464
Poison Injection non-crit: 1663
Poison Injection crit: 3344
Barbed Trap non-crit: 1724
Barbed Trap crit: 3464
So this is a ~16.36% damage increase on single-target DoTs. If these three DoTs comprise a total of 20% of your DPS (which is *very* generous), vMA DW would provide a grand total of a 3.2% DPS increase ... which is not really worth running considering the damage + 1-piece stat you can get from a monster set. In practice, those three DoTs will probably be closer to 10-12% of your total DPS, which means you'd probably get just as much out of running Agility DW as you would Maelstrom.
And that's assuming you bother using Rending Slashes or Poison Injection, when a fair amount of testing indicates that they may not be worth using at all.
TL;DR: Buff vMA DW back to +2000 Weapon Damage (and give us the 1-piece stat bonus back!)
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✭✭✭✭✭"Balancing" in vacuum it is. All those broken things after going back and forth with rebuffing and nerfing things yet again leaves huge trail of now useless gear and skills that never get revisited.9 -
method__01✭✭✭✭✭all this effort to get them was for nothing,i proly wont run vMal again for any reason,not worth my time anymorePC EU/NA /// PS4 EU/NA
Vasanha
This one hears nothing. Sees nothing. This one only sweeps.
desperately need a survey assistant5 -
Vig0rz✭✭Reminds me of the Maelstrom 2h. Hopefully they go back over all the old arena sets that haven't been touched in years.2 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭*Maelstrom chest opens* Congratulations, you received Nothing!!!
DW now has an easier to use mechanic.. but is worthless for Damage
Bow got nerfed by proxy with endless hail nerf
SnB ... (Trollface)
Destro staff still ok, but wonder if new Willpower staff would beat it over all4 -
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✭LiquidPony wrote: »And that's assuming you bother using Rending Slashes or Poison Injection, when a fair amount of testing indicates that they may not be worth using at all.
TL;DR: Buff vMA DW back to +2000 Weapon Damage (and give us the 1-piece stat bonus back!)
stamDK here with Master DW and Deadly Strike set.
yes, i'm using Rending Slashes for both PvP and PvE.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber2 -
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✭Reminds me of the Maelstrom 2h. Hopefully they go back over all the old arena sets that haven't been touched in years.
i love it now after they buff Stampede.
that's 2 "free" DoT when i crit rush somebody in PvP, and generally decent DPS for overland PvE.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber1 -
Zalathorm✭✭✭✭Agreed.
Not everyone likes the Maelstrom Dot rotation, but for some classes or even some specific content, it is very nice to have.
This would be a great way to allow people to have strong dots, by heavily investing in them via item sets and sacrificing a monster set.
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LinearParadox✭✭✭✭✭Half the sets in the game are hilariously bad, not surprised they're adding another to the list.twitch.tv/linearparadox
Benthar the Unkillable - lvl 50 StamDK - AD
High Confessor Celosia - lvl 50 MagDK, AD
Aeolyndra Sunstrider - lvl 50 Magplar Support God, AD
Maldreth Angala - lvl 50 Magicka PetSorc, AD
Veldrosa Wyldwind - lvl 50 StamSorc, AD
M. Night Shatupon - lvl 50 MagBlade, AD
Vestonia Ironhardt - lvl 50 Warden GuardTank, AD
Bone Daddy - lvl 50 TankCro, AD
Abra Kedaver - lvl 50 MagCro, AD
And many more...
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Arjuna1696✭✭✭So many games have sets that are fun, rewarding, balanced, and that can introduce new gameplay, visuals, etc. It has been done. It can be replicated. This doesn't need to be the way sets are in this game T_T3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Ugh. Why even have vMA anymore?
I've been asking that for more than 2 years. I mean, the weapons are generally meh now, but vMA is ezmode like everything else, so maybe they should be meh.1 -
Arjuna1696✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Ugh. Why even have vMA anymore?
Because it's an awesome and fun single player challenge!1 -
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✭It should add flat damage to dots instead of increasing weapon damage to dots
Or we could just have competent devs who understand what they're doing in the first place.
It's not rocket science. They massively overbuffed dots, and in response nerfed maelstrom DW instead of addressing the root cause. Then they over nerfed dots without changing the nerfed maelstrom DW... surprise surprise it's crap now.
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Muzzick✭✭✭✭Kingslayer513 wrote: »It should add flat damage to dots instead of increasing weapon damage to dots
Or we could just have competent devs who understand what they're doing in the first place.
It's not rocket science. They massively overbuffed dots, and in response nerfed maelstrom DW instead of addressing the root cause. Then they over nerfed dots without changing the nerfed maelstrom DW... surprise surprise it's crap now.
That's true, but the dot damage is changing so frequently. A flat damage boost would act more independently of any changes to dots and support a dot build regardless of what these changes may be, and won't require a reworking of the weapons every time they change the damage of dots.0 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Ugh. Why even have vMA anymore?
<snip>, but vMA is ezmode like everything else, so maybe they should be meh.
August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Ugh. Why even have vMA anymore?
<snip>, but vMA is ezmode like everything else, so maybe they should be meh.
There's nothing in ESO that has ever been neckbeard hardcore. Not even vMA in 2.2. Success in ESO PVE has never been about elite perception and motor skills and has always been about merely learning the rules and playing according to them.
Unfortunately, 99.9% of the content doesn't require players to learn the rules, so few do. I guess when they encounter players who have, it's easier to write them off as somehow disordered than face the reality one does not know how to play a game after hundreds of hours played.2 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Ugh. Why even have vMA anymore?
<snip>, but vMA is ezmode like everything else, so maybe they should be meh.
There's nothing in ESO that has ever been neckbeard hardcore. Not even vMA in 2.2. Success in ESO PVE has never been about elite perception and motor skills and has always been about merely learning the rules and playing according to them.
Unfortunately, 99.9% of the content doesn't require players to learn the rules, so few do. I guess when they encounter players who have, it's easier to write them off as somehow disordered than face the reality one does not know how to play a game after hundreds of hours played.
i wouldn't label "does not know how to play a game" for people who think vMA is a very challenging content.....
August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber1 -
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Have you tried out the brp 2h ? And if so why you stay with MSA 2h? single target build or just dont find yourself being in lots of 1vX0 -
Drakostax✭✭Just wanted to add that it also no longer empowers flurry itself, despite flurry being able to proc other DoT sets like Skoria.
In an effort to reduce popularity of DoT builds and make spammables viable again, ZOS destroyed the only set that made the DW spammable viable. Galaxy-brain move right there.@Drakostax - PC/NA
Smooth sailing with dat 280ms Aussie latency.0 -
Betty_Booms✭✭✭Its pretty ironic that they went to the trouble to make this a viable option last patch only to undo all that work this patch.
This game is just so unstable. We never know what to work towards with such volatile changes patch to patch.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Unbelievable that they go out of their way to buff Deadly Strike and still leave this as is.
Shor's bones, why is every PTS cycle so frustrating?Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0
