Faction Locks

Lyar09 · October 2019

I know I am beating a dead horse at this point but for the love of everything that is whole can we please get rid of faction locks? It is killing PvP. One faction utterly dominates and kills pvp. I can't swap to another alliance to fight the majority because I'm stuck on DC (just using this as an example). I would also like to ya know...play with my friends.... The introduction of One Tamerial allowed us to do so. Now I am just sitting at the gates most of the time I am on to play. It's been 4 months of this Zos. Time to revert your changes!

Taleof2Cities · October 2019

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

Lyar09 · October 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

You really think that people are going to play on that? It's the same as the 7 day campaign just with another 23 days added onto it. The game's pvp population is too small for that.

danthemann5 · October 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

You really think that people are going to play on that? It's the same as the 7 day campaign just with another 23 days added onto it. The game's pvp population is too small for that.

You will have an option for a 30-day non-faction locked campaign, what's the problem? You and those who perfer unlocked factions can play there. I and those who prefer faction locks can stay where we are. I don't see how the anti-faction lock people can complain at this point. A 30-day non-faction locked campaign will be available, same as before the locks were implemented.

J18696 · October 2019

Having a campaign and having population are 2 diff things one dont work without the other

danthemann5 · October 2019

J18696 wrote: »

Having a campaign and having population are 2 diff things one dont work without the other

Well, if people want to play without faction locks, it will be popular.

If people don't, it won't be. Again, I don't see a problem here.

What's wrong with having a choice?

Some conjecture on my part: People opposed to faction locks want everyone else to play without faction locks.

Gilvoth · October 2019

the only problem will be in this case, is that what ever campaign has the most people in it is where everyone will end up going to.
now for me? i love the faction locks and ill do my best to stay in a campaign that has faction locks, but if that campaign keeps loosing people to the unlocked faction campaign, then ill be forced to go there simply because the faction locked campaign has too few people in it.

Vlad9425 · October 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

In other words another empty Campaign where one faction will just farm Emp. Yes gg ZOS this is the answer...

Taleof2Cities · October 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

You really think that people are going to play on that? It's the same as the 7 day campaign just with another 23 days added onto it. The game's pvp population is too small for that.

Are you really complaining about getting exactly what players opposed to faction-lock are getting?

With all the sweet rewards that come with a 30-day campaign including the 50-stone transmute geodes??

Looks like someone wants to force other players to play their playstyle ...

Darsaga · October 2019

Well if faction lock stays there needs to be a one week grace period to change alliance. I shouldn’t be punished for all the funky business that was going on. I have half DC and half AD on console, in the morning I’d play AD with friends I started the game with then at night with my DC friends I made open world and dueling. Half of them can not be played for an entire month!

Even worse on PC I have toons split between all three alliances because people that saw me play on console wanted to play with me when I came to PC.

I put hard earned time and money into all my toons and not being able to play them is sickening. People say just play BGs but the experience isn’t the same as open world. I really wish they had a way to shut down the funky business without the lock.

Davadin · October 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

You really think that people are going to play on that? It's the same as the 7 day campaign just with another 23 days added onto it. The game's pvp population is too small for that.

guess faction lock pretty popular then, eh?

Lyar09 · October 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

You really think that people are going to play on that? It's the same as the 7 day campaign just with another 23 days added onto it. The game's pvp population is too small for that.

Are you really complaining about getting exactly what players opposed to faction-lock are getting?

With all the sweet rewards that come with a 30-day campaign including the 50-stone transmute geodes??

Looks like someone wants to force other players to play their playstyle ...

Players opposed to faction lock couldn't give a rat's ass about rewards bud. They want good fights and to play with friends freely. It's really sad that players are so high and mighty on RPing in order to have faction locks and deter other players from getting actual...ya know...player vs player action. I mean seriously, the past 2 campaign cycles has had DC owning the map. I love DC, have always enjoyed playing on it and respect the players on DC. BUT, I'm tired of logging on to seeing the whole map blue and there not being any fights except against a couple AD/EP players trying to defend what they have left because the population on DC is overwhelming compared to the other two. What do you really gain from faction locks? I mean that with all seriousness. This game was designed in order to play with friends and you cant do that with faction lock. But hey, what can I honestly hope to gain from forum warriors who would rather role play than do actual PvP.

Zevrro · October 2019

Davadin wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

You really think that people are going to play on that? It's the same as the 7 day campaign just with another 23 days added onto it. The game's pvp population is too small for that.

guess faction lock pretty popular then, eh?

That's not how it works. Having an unlocked campaign that is less populated has nothing to do with the fact that its unlocked its because people generally don't switch campaign they just play the most popular one. The PvP community is way too small for another campaign to become populated and the entire population from one campaign isn't going to switch to another at the same time for it to become the most populated.

InvictusApollo · October 2019

The fact is that faction locked campaign has a headstart. Since most people rarely swap to other campaigns, many will stay in faction locked one, populating it. The unlocked campaign will be a novelty to which only people who hate faction lock will swap. Everyone who likes them will stay. However those who don't care about faction lock or care only about population, will also stay where they are. They won't bother themselves with swapping a campaign.
For this simple reason faction locked campaing will be more populated and faction loyalists will delude themselves that there are more people who want faction lock.

If we want to have an honest "voting" through choosing a campaing, then ZOS would have to reset home campaing setting for everyone to force players to choose again.

NirnStorm · October 2019

I am 100% with @Lyar09 on this one.

Sadly, so many people just ignore our explanations though.
I can talk 9000 times about how the population is small and having two populated campaigns is not possible, and how people will always go to where they believe the majority will go, or to whatever campaign is listed first on the campaign selection.

But people will still go "YoU hAvE tHe 7 DaY" or now "YoU hAvE a NoN lOcKeD cAmPaIgn" without taking a second to listen and maybe understand that unless ZOS put the non locked campaign first on the list and reset the current homed campaigns, it will continue being dead not due to no-lock being unpopular but due to people going where they're currently listed and where they are used to.

Tommy_The_Gun · October 2019

Faction lock = exploit lock. (not 100% of them for sure, but certainly most of them).

- Scroll trolling (carrying it directly to your enemy "friend's base", or just farming AP using scroll as a bait and not carrying it home).
- Team switching to winning side.
- Score board rigging.

I would add more, like night / morning capping - this one can not be simply fix by a faction lock. The only thing that could, would be score based on populations (you capped enemy keeps when they got 0 population, you get less potential points etc.)

Playing for AP and not to actually win the campaign is also an issue. Not an exploit or anything, it is just a sad state Cyro PvP is at.

Rianai · October 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Faction lock = exploit lock. (not 100% of them for sure, but certainly most of them).

- Scroll trolling (carrying it directly to your enemy "friend's base", or just farming AP using scroll as a bait and not carrying it home).
- Team switching to winning side.
- Score board rigging.

I would add more, like night / morning capping - this one can not be simply fix by a faction lock. The only thing that could, would be score based on populations (you capped enemy keeps when they got 0 population, you get less potential points etc.)

Playing for AP and not to actually win the campaign is also an issue. Not an exploit or anything, it is just a sad state Cyro PvP is at.

Faction locks do absolutely nothing to reduce scroll trolling (because trolls don't care abot factions at all), wtj (because most of them just swap between campaigns, not factions) or score board rigging (what ever that is supposed to be). Absolutely nothing.

And you should be glad that there are people who do not only play for the campaign win, because the only reliable way to win is to stack on one side. So if everyone would do that, each campaign would be populated by 1 faction only. It is those that fight no matter the odds of "winning" that keep pvp alive. Those that want actual PvP instead of RP and PvDoor. And those are the ones who get hurt by faction locks the most.

There is an increasing amount of PvDoor zergs that will log off/swap campaign the moment they face some resistance and they will keep supporting locks - not because they are actually loyal to their faction - but because they want to keep their easy ap and "wins" and don't want players to be able to swap to the underpopulated sides.

idk · October 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

You really think that people are going to play on that? It's the same as the 7 day campaign just with another 23 days added onto it. The game's pvp population is too small for that.

The 7 day campaigns have never been very populated so it is not the same. We will have a bona fide choice between faction locks or not and we will be able to see what the larger population of the game is truly interested in. This is a good change and so no one is forced to play locked or not.

MipMip · October 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

I know I am beating a dead horse at this point but for the love of everything that is whole can we please get rid of faction locks? It is killing PvP. One faction utterly dominates and kills pvp. I can't swap to another alliance to fight the majority because I'm stuck on DC (just using this as an example). I would also like to ya know...play with my friends.... The introduction of One Tamerial allowed us to do so. Now I am just sitting at the gates most of the time I am on to play. It's been 4 months of this Zos. Time to revert your changes!

Many thanks Lyar for saying this! The fact that is has been around for a few months now doesn't change how bad of an idea faction lock is, and how much it makes the game less attractive. You have 11 'agrees' as of now - well deserved!

Lyar09 · October 2019

idk wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

You ought to read the patch notes (or at least do a forums search) before starting a new forums thread, @Lyar09.

There is a new 30-day CP campaign (no faction lock) coming when Update 24 drops.

You really think that people are going to play on that? It's the same as the 7 day campaign just with another 23 days added onto it. The game's pvp population is too small for that.

The 7 day campaigns have never been very populated so it is not the same. We will have a bona fide choice between faction locks or not and we will be able to see what the larger population of the game is truly interested in. This is a good change and so no one is forced to play locked or not.

This is false. There used to be multiple 7 day campaigns that had action. The main campaigns were filled with the big guilds who didnt mind playing in lag. I'll name a few 7 day campaigns that had plenty of action that just arent a thing anymore (Haderus, Chillrend, Shor). The problem with the current 7 day concept is that population is too low in pvp. People dont go to that campaign because the map is controlled by one faction and they dont want to try and get keeps for fights so they just end up queuing for the main (and really only) 30 day campaign. The population is so low that even the 30 day no-cp campaign doesnt get pop locked most of the time. Face it, this game's pvp population is getting smaller and faction locks are killing the population even further.

x48rph · October 2019

This thread gives me a chuckle. Ever since faction lock started people who hated it were complaining for ZOS to give a non-faction locked 30day and now that they finally did , instead of thanking ZOS, people are still complaining. Some of us love faction lock while others don't. ZOS has finally listened and gave everyone what they wanted. It hasn't even gone live yet and already we have all this talk about how it's not enough, it'll be dead, blah, blah blah. You got what you wanted, at least wait until it actually goes live before you bash it.

karekiz · October 2019

J18696 wrote: »

Having a campaign and having population are 2 diff things one dont work without the other

Roughly translated: PvP is dead. Close all but 1 campaign.

x48rph · October 2019

karekiz wrote: »

J18696 wrote: »

Having a campaign and having population are 2 diff things one dont work without the other

Roughly translated: PvP is dead. Close all but 1 campaign.

Or maybe just fix the ridiculous lag. I have friends who love cyrodil but never play it anymore because of the crazy lag during prime time. Kills aren''t even a matter of skill most of the time at night, it's just a matter of who gets lucky enough for their ability to actually fire and who doesn't

Davadin · October 2019

NirnStorm wrote: »

I am 100% with @Lyar09 on this one.

Sadly, so many people just ignore our explanations though.
I can talk 9000 times about how the population is small and having two populated campaigns is not possible, and how people will always go to where they believe the majority will go, or to whatever campaign is listed first on the campaign selection.

But people will still go "YoU hAvE tHe 7 DaY" or now "YoU hAvE a NoN lOcKeD cAmPaIgn" without taking a second to listen and maybe understand that unless ZOS put the non locked campaign first on the list and reset the current homed campaigns, it will continue being dead not due to no-lock being unpopular but due to people going where they're currently listed and where they are used to.

then they just need to put the notice on a bigger font or pop up and wait for 30 days.

if they still stay at the pop lock one, can u guys please STFU about ability to jump sides when ur losing?

Davadin · October 2019

karekiz wrote: »

J18696 wrote: »

Having a campaign and having population are 2 diff things one dont work without the other

Roughly translated: PvP is dead. Close all but 1 campaign.

yes this would be awesome. and make it pop lock, 30 days, full CP. and increase the reward 10 fold but increase the tiers' requirements to be higher.

now i can play for 2 hr, hit tier 3 and leave for a month.

make it 5 tiers, 10x higher gold reward, 3x transmute, 1-tier quality higher, more rare drops.

top 500 gets additional 50k gold
top 200 gets 100k and 1 gold 5 purple random
top 100 gets 200k and 5 gold random

go nuts on top 50, 10, etc.

KingExecration · October 2019

Hopefully the names are distinguishable and isn’t like trying to cast a spell. Other than that I’m overall thrilled for the 30 day unlocked. Gg zos

Katahdin · October 2019

NirnStorm wrote: »

I am 100% with @Lyar09 on this one.

Sadly, so many people just ignore our explanations though.
I can talk 9000 times about how the population is small and having two populated campaigns is not possible, and how people will always go to where they believe the majority will go, or to whatever campaign is listed first on the campaign selection.

But people will still go "YoU hAvE tHe 7 DaY" or now "YoU hAvE a NoN lOcKeD cAmPaIgn" without taking a second to listen and maybe understand that unless ZOS put the non locked campaign first on the list and reset the current homed campaigns, it will continue being dead not due to no-lock being unpopular but due to people going where they're currently listed and where they are used to.

Sadly people have said 10,000 they like faction lock and they want faction lock and people still scream for removal of faction locks without taking a second to listen to what people are telling them: THEY WANT FACTION LOCKS..

The anti-lock crowd is getting what they want. They wanted a unlocked 30 day.

We will finally see which one will more popular with the PVP playebase and no matter the result, the opposing point of view will have to live with it.

I dont care either way. I will play where my guild plays whether it be locked or not locked and they will go where the population is going to be.

leepalmer95 · October 2019

danthemann5 wrote: »

J18696 wrote: »

Having a campaign and having population are 2 diff things one dont work without the other

Well, if people want to play without faction locks, it will be popular.

If people don't, it won't be. Again, I don't see a problem here.

What's wrong with having a choice?

Some conjecture on my part: People opposed to faction locks want everyone else to play without faction locks.

Thats not really how it works though, people just go to whichever is the current campaign anyway. They just go to one with the most pop and think of that as the main campaign. Most people dont even know about faction locks likely.

Darsaga · October 2019

This has had me thinking a lot. Would it be possible for them to add a fatigue to switching alliance like using get me unstuck?

Usually after 2-4 hours I know if I’m going to find good fights or not and usually make my switch. So perhaps a 3 hour faction lock. Make sure it’s account bound and good to go? Kind of a middle ground for everyone possibly.

Taleof2Cities · October 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

The problem with the current 7 day concept is that population is too low in pvp. People dont go to that campaign because the map is controlled by one faction and they dont want to try and get keeps for fights so they just end up queuing for the main (and really only) 30 day campaign. The population is so low that even the 30 day no-cp campaign doesnt get pop locked most of the time. Face it, this game's pvp population is getting smaller and faction locks are killing the population even further.

So, what are you suggesting ZOS should do, @Lyar09?

You already know that having one (1) 30-day CP campaign that’s not faction-locked is not an option. That ship has sailed ... due to all the issues leading to faction lock.

By the way, you don’t have to worry about my credentials. I have one character that’s Alliance Rank 42 and several other lower-ranked characters.

Alienoutlaw · October 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

I know I am beating a dead horse at this point but for the love of everything that is whole can we please get rid of faction locks? It is killing PvP. One faction utterly dominates and kills pvp. I can't swap to another alliance to fight the majority because I'm stuck on DC (just using this as an example). I would also like to ya know...play with my friends.... The introduction of One Tamerial allowed us to do so. Now I am just sitting at the gates most of the time I am on to play. It's been 4 months of this Zos. Time to revert your changes!

thats the whole idea

so working as intended, pick a side and fight simple some days you loose others you dont. your chance to give up and swap to the winning side again and again and again and again is coming in Update 24 i for one will be glad to see the faction hoppers leave and lets us PvP players do our thing without the constant moaning