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"to help distinguish the Dragonknight’s Damage over Time abilities as superior to others" - ..Necro?
Nerhesi
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You have a whole class, that regardless of skills, takes 10% less and does 10% more with Damage over Time... has a slow (and terrible) pet that does damage over time, has 3 different aoe dot spells... and has garbage Direct Damage capability or passives to influence that capability...
So Perhaps that is the class you need to be focusing on making your DoT class... not the burst leaping, massive mitigation class...
So Perhaps that is the class you need to be focusing on making your DoT class... not the burst leaping, massive mitigation class...
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Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭When dk gets major vulnerability we can talk
pretty much this. Stamcro is doing just fine, meanwhile DKs have been pooped on time after time.Shortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
"Well," the Nord frowned, "the priests were very angry and unwelcoming. They kept shouting things at me like "you can't drink that mead in here!" and "somebody stop her, she's running naked!" and "we can't catch her; she's covered in grease!""14 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You misunderstand.
DK class dots are meant to be better than other, universal dots. That is their class identity.
Necromancers make *ALL* dots better. Their own, and universal dots.
They both offer something unique right now. A DK venom claw will hit harder than soul trap, but a necromancer's soul trap, poison inject, or endless hail will hit hardest of all classes (other factors controlled).Edited by DocFrost72 on October 2, 2019 5:46AM14 -
Sahidom✭✭✭✭I feel your pain.
I was in a random vet with three Necros. You don't need a tank or healer with Necros. Everything dies too fast to be overly concerned because they had so much AOE and DOT damage.Edited by Sahidom on October 2, 2019 6:02AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StrandedMonkey wrote: »
Lol, no. It is clunky af at times but no way the worst.6 -
Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭Pets should take all dama from that side where they are from necromancer. They are now allready undead meatshields with horrible pathing and spend monst of their time moving or changing targets.0 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber4 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
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Unreliable burst,
Poor mobility,
No in house execute,
No class healing (unless you count the beam...lol)
Stamcro is going to build ult, drop an atro and stun to into it
OR
Stack health and use scythe +bash in Goliath form.
Idk if they're the worst stam pvp class, but they're not exactly overwhelmingly strong like say, stamplar or warden are currently.4 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭DocFrost72 wrote: »You misunderstand.
DK class dots are meant to be better than other, universal dots. That is their class identity.
Necromancers make *ALL* dots better. Their own, and universal dots.
They both offer something unique right now. A DK venom claw will hit harder than soul trap, but a necromancer's soul trap, poison inject, or endless hail will hit hardest of all classes (other factors controlled).
Frankly the way it should be. is DK should have the highest quantity of DoTs and excel more with AOE dots. NB's should have the strongest single target DoTs. Magnecro on the other hand, actually needs a single target class DoT.Edited by Lucky28 on October 2, 2019 9:11PMInvictus0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StrandedMonkey wrote: »
Its literally the best group stamina class.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...6 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »Wanna compare Magma armor and colossus?
Before or after the colossus nerf?
If they go through with effects being on the last hit, colossus is a dead ult for pvp. Bad vs bad tbh.Edited by Royalthought on October 2, 2019 9:39PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭class identity is currently determined by a combination of dice rolling and how well people got out of bed that day...so give it time...0 -
BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »
Unreliable burst,
Poor mobility,
No in house execute,
No class healing (unless you count the beam...lol)
Stamcro is going to build ult, drop an atro and stun to into it
OR
Stack health and use scythe +bash in Goliath form.
Idk if they're the worst stam pvp class, but they're not exactly overwhelmingly strong like say, stamplar or warden are currently.
No in class execute or mobility welcome to dk’s life since launch. Yet necromancer has a passive which grants crit chance increase at execute combine with using something like executioner. As was stated before necromancer is clunky and awkward but weak absolutely not1 -
Epicasballs✭✭✭✭StrandedMonkey wrote: »
I encourage you try stam sorc. You can do very well on stam sorc for sure but I would give left eye for the tools stamcro has in it's kit on my sorc.1 -
Austinseph1✭✭✭✭✭Meanwhile necro gets basically 100% crit during execute, arguably the 3 strongest ulti’s in the game and an ulti that made them so strong in group play that the entire group makeup is 8 of them. I’m okay with DK having it’s day in the sun... lol. It has been looked down on for a long time and it has become “good” because dots were so overturned that they fealt like a 60% nerf was balance. The increase to the passive only highlights how far behind they had fallen in the spamable meta and shouldn’t be seen as anything but a stopgap balance for the class.1 -
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✭I feel your pain.
I was in a random vet with three Necros. You don't need a tank or healer with Necros. Everything dies too fast to be overly concerned because they had so much AOE and DOT damage.
Any 3 good DD do the same. You don't have to be a necromancer to breeze through vet dungeons.0 -
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✭I wish ZOS would just go ahead and remove Major Vulnerability from the Colossus, since it's holding Necromancer back too much. It seems like every time someone brings up how bad the class is in many situations, there's a, "But those DPS numbers from the Colossus!!1!1!!!"
In PvP on live, DK and Necromancer aren't even all that comparable. For both Magicka and Stamina, DK is among the tip-top classes in the game, while Necromancer (especially Magicka) is basically last place. Barring major changes in the last couple PTS patches, Magicka Necromancer is about to be total garbage for an offensive role in PvP, yet lots of people will still argue against any meaningful improvements, due to one debuff on one ultimate.7 -
Nerhesi✭✭✭✭When dk gets major vulnerability we can talk
No .
We dont balance class abilities and determine class identity due to one, 200+ ult ability. It also has nothing to do with DOT damage... anymore than it has to do with someone spamming Force pulse 3 times during that duration (more effective).1 -
BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭When dk gets major vulnerability we can talk
No .
We dont balance class abilities and determine class identity due to one, 200+ ult ability. It also has nothing to do with DOT damage... anymore than it has to do with someone spamming Force pulse 3 times during that duration (more effective).
We also don’t balance classes around a singular passive so what’s your point OP is saying necromancer should be dot class based on 10% increase to dot damage. Now my statement is a very good one name a buff or debuff as powerful as major vulnerability. Best you will likely say is wardens sleet storm ultimate. Now think about that for a second dlc classes. Sure you might try saying major berserk but that isn’t really as strong as requires synergy to activate. Dk gets 15 damage buff and a reduction in incoming damage for themselves this would be pretty strong if it applied to everyone standing in the standard.or within 28 meters as this ideally would be on enemies. Templar’s nova is offensive no really group bonuses. Lastly nightblade ultimates consuming darkness another major protection but very small aoe.
So again when other classes get major vulnerability maybe then we can talk. As it stands now necromancer have kind of a jack of all trades vibe. It does good with dots the dk however does better with dots. We can go thru and compare every other class as well like sorcs and pets necromancer does good with pets but sorc has more for pets does this mean because necromancer have a pet flavor they should be the defacto pet class.1 -
On live server Yes. Because DK due of OP dots and Dizzy can have 1+ a million damage on exit in addition can be clothe 4100 crit resist (Fury + Impeg). You thought why Claws - 60% damage...Edited by OrderoftheDarkness on October 5, 2019 2:38PM0 -
I wish ZOS would just go ahead and remove Major Vulnerability from the Colossus, since it's holding Necromancer back too much. It seems like every time someone brings up how bad the class is in many situations, there's a, "But those DPS numbers from the Colossus!!1!1!!!"
In PvP on live, DK and Necromancer aren't even all that comparable. For both Magicka and Stamina, DK is among the tip-top classes in the game, while Necromancer (especially Magicka) is basically last place. Barring major changes in the last couple PTS patches, Magicka Necromancer is about to be total garbage for an offensive role in PvP, yet lots of people will still argue against any meaningful improvements, due to one debuff on one ultimate.
Necro does not reveal its potential due of other OP classes. Basically, we see this in 5.2.0. Necro entered the game to make it balanced.Edited by OrderoftheDarkness on October 5, 2019 2:38PM0 -
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✭OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »
On live server Yes. Because DK due of OP dots and Dizzy can have 1+ a million damage on exit in addition can be clothe 4100 crit resist (Fury + Impeg). You thought why Claws - 60% damage...
I've played high mmr BG since the beginning to know every class can hit 1+ million dmg, and any class can use Fury/Impreg.....August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber0 -
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »
On live server Yes. Because DK due of OP dots and Dizzy can have 1+ a million damage on exit in addition can be clothe 4100 crit resist (Fury + Impeg). You thought why Claws - 60% damage...
I've played high mmr BG since the beginning to know every class can hit 1+ million dmg, and any class can use Fury/Impreg.....
Dude, I'm on the EU Leaderboard without Dizzy and Dots on a live server. I know what I'm talking about. 5.2.0 agree with me and I agree with him even with future adjustments. One person here correctly said that a good player should be ashamed to use these things.Edited by OrderoftheDarkness on October 6, 2019 9:26AM0 -
Lazarus_Rising✭✭✭✭✭I just want you to remind you that in general all other dd's gain more from the colossus than the necromancer when they time their ultimate rightalso known as Overlich.0
