Really? Who wanted this?

Zevrro · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

fighting Gilvoth

theres nerfs all around this forum on a constant and daily basis, nerfs to this ultimate is LONG time inc. and i support these changes.
if the skill is kept in eso then it needs to actually be red so we can see it.
atleast remove the foolish "40%" slow it gives so people can get out of its path and escape insta death.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2019

xWarbrain wrote: »

$20 says they remove Major Protection from the Northern Storm morph last minute before patch goes live, without telling anyone it was going to happen.

I think it would be good if they removed the AoE protection from northern. but not the caster's one. keep that aoe for the utility morph.

RighteousBacon · October 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

oh, this is just a stationary thing? it does not move and i can get out of it?
if thats the case then yes its a change wasnt needed.

EDIT:
well i looked it up and seems it is NOT stationary, it does infact stay with its caster and does damage meaning that i was right.
in that case i agree with this change and it also pulls us out of stealth with its damage according to the tool tip wording.
it also slows me so i cant stealth nor invis nor even get away from you quickly AND IT HAS 10 METER RANGE?
in that case i DO support and agree with this change.
making your comment incorrect.

Cast Time: Instant
Target: Area
Range: Radius: 10 meters
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Skill description
Twist a violent storm around you, dealing 470 Frost Damage every 1 second for 8 seconds to enemies around you and reducing their Movement Speed by 40%. You and nearby allies gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 30%. While slotted, your Maximum Magicka is increased by 8%.
New effect
Increases your Max Magicka while slotted.

This man has never once realized he was getting ulti’d by a magden... couldn’t pick it out a lineup...

[snip] all he has to do it stun and shuffle and just run away

[edited for non-constructive/ bashing comment]

Zevrro · October 2019

RighteousBacon wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Tl;dr: I can't be bothered to walk out of red so nerf anything I don't play.

oh, this is just a stationary thing? it does not move and i can get out of it?
if thats the case then yes its a change wasnt needed.

EDIT:
well i looked it up and seems it is NOT stationary, it does infact stay with its caster and does damage meaning that i was right.
in that case i agree with this change and it also pulls us out of stealth with its damage according to the tool tip wording.
it also slows me so i cant stealth nor invis nor even get away from you quickly AND IT HAS 10 METER RANGE?
in that case i DO support and agree with this change.
making your comment incorrect.

Cast Time: Instant
Target: Area
Range: Radius: 10 meters
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Skill description
Twist a violent storm around you, dealing 470 Frost Damage every 1 second for 8 seconds to enemies around you and reducing their Movement Speed by 40%. You and nearby allies gain Major Protection, reducing your damage taken by 30%. While slotted, your Maximum Magicka is increased by 8%.
New effect
Increases your Max Magicka while slotted.

This man has never once realized he was getting ulti’d by a magden... couldn’t pick it out a lineup...

Hahaha I don’t think we should take this guys opinion very seriously. He doesn’t realize that as a nightblade all he has to do it stun and shuffle and just run away

Or just learn how to use shade and cast that.

RighteousBacon · October 2019

I think it’s important to realize though that if you can keep casting northern storm roughly every 30 seconds you will have %15 more magicka. That’s amazing but like...it’s a little weird

p00tx · October 2019

This Northern Storm nerf is a stupid change. Most Warden healers in PvE used to on our resto bar to increase the strength of our heals (passive max mag). Yet another braindead change for PvP that affects PvE. Thanks guys!

RighteousBacon · October 2019

p00tx wrote: »

This Northern Storm nerf is a stupid change. Most Warden healers in PvE used to on our resto bar to increase the strength of our heals (passive max mag). Yet another braindead change for PvP that affects PvE. Thanks guys!

Pve is ez

p00tx · October 2019

RighteousBacon wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

This Northern Storm nerf is a stupid change. Most Warden healers in PvE used to on our resto bar to increase the strength of our heals (passive max mag). Yet another braindead change for PvP that affects PvE. Thanks guys!

Pve is ez

Maybe if you're haunting Craglorn pugs or queueing into vet vanilla dungeons. Try running the DLC hms.

jcm2606 · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

overperforming in PvP

you guys get nerfs just like the rest of us. why should you guys never get brought into balance but all the other classes should? warden have been overperforming in pvp since they launched.

and btw, to answer the thread question:
no, it wasnt me that asked for it, and i bet no one asked for this change, this is just part of normal balnce changes that the devs decided to do, not the community, because it was at the launch of wardens and morrowind that we asked for wardens nerfs, we gave up cause no one listened.

Magden? Overperforming in PvP?

[snip]

[edited for baiting]

MartiniDaniels · October 2019

This ability was OP before U22, before changes to snares. Now it is ok on live, no point to nerf it. I don't wanna be toxic or whatever, but for me it seems like somebody from ZOS's executives just tries to PVP once in a week and if die to same person/spec 2 times in a row just makes photo of recap on iphone and sends to combat team with "NERF ASAP" message...

LeHarrt91 · October 2019

RighteousBacon wrote: »

I think it’s important to realize though that if you can keep casting northern storm roughly every 30 seconds you will have %15 more magicka. That’s amazing but like...it’s a little weird

Also if you front bar Meteor you get the 2% more on top of that while active. And a Warden with Shimmering should have it up pretty quickly.

DaNnYtHePcFrEaK · October 2019

RighteousBacon wrote: »

Northern Storm (morph):
The Max Magicka granted from this morph is no longer enabled passively by slotting. Instead, it is granted for 30 seconds after activating the Ultimate.
Increased the amount of Magicka granted to 9% from 8%.
This morph now ranks up in 2% Max Magicka granted per rank, up to 15% at Rank I, rather than 1.1% damage done per rank.

With the damage nerf to permafrost this morph was looking like the go-to option for magwardens in PvP. Now with this change, the damage is better, but the constant max mag was important for shield strength and sustain while playing magwarden. Now we just get the damage benefit of the magicka when casting the ability, so it’s purely damage.

I’m considering just running destro ult instead, depending on how the damage numbers compare.

I’m so tired of these changes that are just unnecessary. Magwarden is anything but overperforming in PvP right now. We didn’t need a nerf to both morphs of our unique and favorite ultimate.

Affects pve healers too, that max mag helped heals...

karekiz · October 2019

RighteousBacon wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

This Northern Storm nerf is a stupid change. Most Warden healers in PvE used to on our resto bar to increase the strength of our heals (passive max mag). Yet another braindead change for PvP that affects PvE. Thanks guys!

Pve is ez

PvDoor is ezier

RighteousBacon · October 2019

karekiz wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

This Northern Storm nerf is a stupid change. Most Warden healers in PvE used to on our resto bar to increase the strength of our heals (passive max mag). Yet another braindead change for PvP that affects PvE. Thanks guys!

Pve is ez

PvDoor is ezier

And that’s why I 1vX, it’s the only good part of this game

J2JMC · October 2019

Can we stop confusing changes we don't like with changes that don't make sense? The intention is pretty clear here. ZOS felt the ultimate offered too much passive power relative to the cost (having to slot the ultimate), so they shifted the passive power into the ultimate's active power. The design makes sense, and is one of the better ways to nerf a skill while still keeping it strong for it's intended use case.

With that being said, I do think Northern Storm should have kept its passive power since it is a 200 cost ultimate. Of course, I'm a bit of an extremist who thinks the only skills that should have their own unique passives for being slotted are 200+ cost ultimates. So take that how you will.

ZOS_RogerJ · October 2019

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heaven13 · October 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

this video here shows it has no red. it also is unclear if it was happening while in first person.
it needs changed to show the red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ysNqSlqRlo

Skills you cast never put the red AoE indicator around you. So the fact that there is no red around the person that cast the skill is standard and not evidence of what you're claiming at all.

Better to go into PvP and find an opposing side warden and then see if it shows enemy AoE (I believe it does, just like the Eye of the Storm destro ult morph).

Rianai · October 2019

Warden's storm doesn't display the "hostile aoe marker" to enemies. It is not the only aoe skill that is missing the red (or green) indication tho. The game is very inconsistent in this regard.