Anyone find it funny how the charity event requires players to own Elsweyr?

Dojohoda · October 2019

Noooope I did not think that.

Dear Peoples of teh Forums- If you have it, play it. If you don't have it, don't fret it.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/57033

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

Help should always be selfless, ZOS expects something in return for helping, this is not charity, is Marketing.

News Flash. Its always marketing. Companies are in the business of earning revenue and turning a profit.

The funny thing about this drama is that regardless if ZOS makes a profit off of sales on Elsweyr or not in this time frame. 200,000 dollars is going to charities that could really use that money to do good. Because there is likely more than enough dedicated players who already own Elsweyr that can drum up enough activity to hit the 200k goal easily. They've also promoted the ability to directly donate if players so wish.

Is ZOS supposed to stop making a profit between now and when the charity event ends? Would that make you all feel better? I'm sure all the employees being laid off because of a lack of revenue over that time and the impending liabilities and expenses would surely be happy with that situation.

Nordic__Knights · October 2019

No but i find it sad that you take everything as an negative !!!!!!

StormeReigns · October 2019

Amazing how people throw their own agenda into the mix cause they too lazy to read what is going on an miss

NO PURCHASE NECESSARY.

Its a damn shame, a damn shame indeed.

https://youtu.be/EjUGOYjMcQU

amapola76 · October 2019

Disagree with OP completely. They are going to make the money from the chapter anyway; they don't have to donate anything, but they are, and I think it's awesome.

Chicharron · October 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

Help should always be selfless, ZOS expects something in return for helping, this is not charity, is Marketing.

News Flash. Its always marketing. Companies are in the business of earning revenue and turning a profit.

The funny thing about this drama is that regardless if ZOS makes a profit off of sales on Elsweyr or not in this time frame. 200,000 dollars is going to charities that could really use that money to do good. Because there is likely more than enough dedicated players who already own Elsweyr that can drum up enough activity to hit the 200k goal easily. They've also promoted the ability to directly donate if players so wish.

Is ZOS supposed to stop making a profit between now and when the charity event ends? Would that make you all feel better? I'm sure all the employees being laid off because of a lack of revenue over that time and the impending liabilities and expenses would surely be happy with that situation.

drama? feel better?

I don't care if ZOS gives 1 million or 1 dollar or if it disappears.

It seems that to think differently is a crime here, we don't have to agree.

5 minutes after writing this I probably forgot that you even exist, I only express my opinion.

ccfeeling · October 2019

I tell all my friends, dont buy Elsweyr

Worst chapter ever, and we dont need anything from this chapter

Kittytravel · October 2019

I'm going to assume many of you are new players to the game or don't recall what happened last year so here you go!
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/summerfall

During Summerfall with the release of Summerset they gave away a pet, a mount, and a free house. During this event they did not give away anything to a charity. You needed to own Summerset to be eligible and to do the achievement.

The Dragon Rise event is clearly a continuation of this theme where they release a chapter and then later release a great event to follow it up with; they even added a charity donation this time! So no this event isn't "money grabby" it's the same event as last year with different prizes and incentives. Considering how well last years event went over it's rather generous of them to include a charity at all.

Lastly; Elsweyr is part of the base game now! You can take the below quote or go read it yourself if you are just that skeptical.

"The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr, part of the Season of the Dragon year-long adventure! Explore the savannahs and canyons of Elsweyr, defend the home of the Khajiit from an ancient evil, and command the undead with the Necromancer class. Includes access to The Elder Scrolls Online Base Game, Morrowind Chapter, Summerset Chapter, and Elsweyr Chapter. "

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/joinus

So yes you are free to be critical of ZOS but considering the past year I think it's rather kind of them despite their usual money tactics.

Naftal · October 2019

Would suck a lot if the newest expansion of the game couldn't get events because of BS opinions like this.

Jhalin · October 2019

We all know it’s to sell the chapter, not out of any goodwill.

$200k is pocket change when you look at their profits

Jhalin · October 2019

Kittytravel wrote: »

I'm going to assume many of you are new players to the game or don't recall what happened last year so here you go!
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/summerfall

During Summerfall with the release of Summerset they gave away a pet, a mount, and a free house. During this event they did not give away anything to a charity. You needed to own Summerset to be eligible and to do the achievement.

The Dragon Rise event is clearly a continuation of this theme where they release a chapter and then later release a great event to follow it up with; they even added a charity donation this time! So no this event isn't "money grabby" it's the same event as last year with different prizes and incentives. Considering how well last years event went over it's rather generous of them to include a charity at all.

Lastly; Elsweyr is part of the base game now! You can take the below quote or go read it yourself if you are just that skeptical.

"The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr, part of the Season of the Dragon year-long adventure! Explore the savannahs and canyons of Elsweyr, defend the home of the Khajiit from an ancient evil, and command the undead with the Necromancer class. Includes access to The Elder Scrolls Online Base Game, Morrowind Chapter, Summerset Chapter, and Elsweyr Chapter. "

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/joinus

So yes you are free to be critical of ZOS but considering the past year I think it's rather kind of them despite their usual money tactics.

You linked the purchase of the Elsweyr edition for $30. The chapter you’re required to purchase to get anything from the Dragon Rise event. Maybe you should read your link...

Kittytravel · October 2019

Jhalin wrote: »

You linked the purchase of the Elsweyr edition for $30. The chapter you’re required to purchase to get anything from the Dragon Rise event. Maybe you should read your link...

Hi! I've included a screenshot and even highlighted where it mentions that it includes access to previous chapters and base game since you seem to be in a rush and unable to read the page yourself.

Have a good day!

xaraan · October 2019

I'm not one to go easy on corps, but if a company wants to market something and tie it into charity, then I'd rather see that than just normal advertising. So no problem from me that they tie it to elsweyr.

VaranisArano · October 2019

Kittytravel wrote: »

I'm going to assume many of you are new players to the game or don't recall what happened last year so here you go!
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/summerfall

During Summerfall with the release of Summerset they gave away a pet, a mount, and a free house. During this event they did not give away anything to a charity. You needed to own Summerset to be eligible and to do the achievement.

The Dragon Rise event is clearly a continuation of this theme where they release a chapter and then later release a great event to follow it up with; they even added a charity donation this time! So no this event isn't "money grabby" it's the same event as last year with different prizes and incentives. Considering how well last years event went over it's rather generous of them to include a charity at all.

Lastly; Elsweyr is part of the base game now! You can take the below quote or go read it yourself if you are just that skeptical.

"The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr, part of the Season of the Dragon year-long adventure! Explore the savannahs and canyons of Elsweyr, defend the home of the Khajiit from an ancient evil, and command the undead with the Necromancer class. Includes access to The Elder Scrolls Online Base Game, Morrowind Chapter, Summerset Chapter, and Elsweyr Chapter. "

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/joinus

So yes you are free to be critical of ZOS but considering the past year I think it's rather kind of them despite their usual money tactics.

Minor clarification:

Elsweyr isn't base game for all players, like Battlegrounds or now Imperial City. Elsweyr is still a Chapter, and next year will become a DLC.

Now, the ad you linked states that Elsweyr is available for purchase including the base game and previous Chapters if you purchase the game again. So for purposes of purchasing a new game, Elsweyr is included with all base game purchases.

For players who already have the base game and/or previous chapters, and who don't want to repurchase the new base game, they would buy the Elsweyr upgrade (just the Chapter) or wait until it becomes a DLC next year purchaseable for Crowns.

Its a little nitpicky, but it's a good distinction to make because Battlegrounds is a piece of content that genuinely became base game. It used to be paid content, and now every player gets it free no matter what version of the game they bought. Elsweyr is only "base game" for players who purchase a new base game. Everyone else has to buy the Chapter Upgrade or buy it as a DLC.

Kittytravel · October 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

Its a little nitpicky, but it's a good distinction to make because Battlegrounds is a piece of content that genuinely became base game. It used to be paid content, and now every player gets it free no matter what version of the game they bought. Elsweyr is only "base game" for players who purchase a new base game. Everyone else has to buy the Chapter Upgrade or buy it as a DLC.

Thanks for clarifying for me, yes I was mostly gearing my response to newer players as that is generally the incentive with this type of event; the majority of older players that would purchase Elsweyr have already done so in my experience (Summerset last year was much the same way). But yes as per usual if you have already purchased an ESO account prior to Elsweyr (and any other chapter release) you must upgrade that separately.

russelmmendoza · October 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

What a sick and disgusting cash grab.

"Let's go slay dragons everyone, for a good cause, while we make more and more money!"
"Oh dear we could easily donate thousands and thousands more without an event but we'd rather make money ourselves."I... I mean.. Those poor pets!"
Sorry ZOS but the approach you chose actually is disgusting. A nice fun idea but the execution of it is just plain sad.

You could've made it a dolmen for 1 cent. But no. -.- let's abuse naive minds instead and make them think we're just generous.

OF COURSE I COULD BE HORRIBLY WRONG I just see so many other options. So please don't stone me to death.

Their not telling you to buy elsweyr.
They did not specifically ask you to join.
Its like a club fund raising, like say "those who already owned elsweyr.
You wanna join, fork out a bit, you dont need to, no problem.

Help out if you want, dont if you dont want to.

Jhalin · October 2019

Kittytravel wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

You linked the purchase of the Elsweyr edition for $30. The chapter you’re required to purchase to get anything from the Dragon Rise event. Maybe you should read your link...

Hi! I've included a screenshot and even highlighted where it mentions that it includes access to previous chapters and base game since you seem to be in a rush and unable to read the page yourself. Have a good day!

The Elder Scrolls Online: Elsweyr

Literally anyone who wants to participate has to purchase Elsweyr, as it is not base game. That's the entire point.

TheNightflame · October 2019

It's ok OP, I get you

Jeremy · October 2019

Keylun wrote: »

Like 4 extra people MIGHT buy Elsweyr for the event. This isn’t promo for the game.

You might be surprised, because I suspect this event will persuade quite a lot of people to pick it up.

Calling it "sick" and "disgusting" is probably going a bit too far. But there is no denying ZoS is staging a charity event in the hopes of turning profit. Some might see this as a company trying to prey on a person's goodwill in order to make money (and clearly the OP is one of those). I could care less personally. ZoS makes some money, the charity gets some money... sounds like a win win to me.

Jhalin · October 2019

Well in light of the recent news of dragons being in base game areas, maybe ZOS is going to go full out on this PR stunt. At the very least it's not nearly as bad as I'd thought before finding that out.

Dusk_Coven · October 2019

We see goodwill marketing everywhere and don't bat an eye. Sponsorships and even donations of goods and services to a charity auction can all be re-framed into sinister marketing if you try hard enough.

If we wanted to, we could reframe this event into ZOS making our gaming more meaningful, sort of like Extra Life.

I suspect some people are upset because they would miss out on tickets and especially the last Indrik Berry -- made more upsetting because a lot of people exploited a bug and got their Onyx Indrik months ago with just 1 Berry, and there was apparently no action from ZOS.

What makes this event an Elsweyr seller is people wanting to get that last Berry and maybe the Pet version too.

AlnilamE · October 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Zos wants to donate to charity based on player participation:

Forums: what a sick cash grab.

Me: just stop.

Because it's getting people to buy stuff in order to participate lol.

If it was free for all regardless of what you need it would've made more sense.

Like McDonald's with their Happy Day or whatever they call it? Or Tim Horton's with their Smile cookies? Can you think of a company that requires customer participation to donate to charity where a purchase of some kind isn't involved?

FakeFox · October 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

Help should always be selfless, ZOS expects something in return for helping, this is not charity, is Marketing.

Help is never selfless, nothing ever is. Some people help for money, others to feel good, others in hope to get the favor returned someday, but it's never the less selfish. I don't think the reasons matter, if it actually helps. I get free stuff, some charity organisation gets free stuff and if ZOS makes profit with that I don't mind.

Grimm13 · October 2019

I don't like that they sprung this on us for one and that it's on the last berry of the third mount. Some warning would be nice and a few days access granted for all like they have done for other parts of the event. Give people a chance to know so they can plan goes a long way in my book.

Yet another communication failure by ZOS in my book.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

Help should always be selfless, ZOS expects something in return for helping, this is not charity, is Marketing.

News Flash. Its always marketing. Companies are in the business of earning revenue and turning a profit.

The funny thing about this drama is that regardless if ZOS makes a profit off of sales on Elsweyr or not in this time frame. 200,000 dollars is going to charities that could really use that money to do good. Because there is likely more than enough dedicated players who already own Elsweyr that can drum up enough activity to hit the 200k goal easily. They've also promoted the ability to directly donate if players so wish.

Is ZOS supposed to stop making a profit between now and when the charity event ends? Would that make you all feel better? I'm sure all the employees being laid off because of a lack of revenue over that time and the impending liabilities and expenses would surely be happy with that situation.

drama? feel better?

I don't care if ZOS gives 1 million or 1 dollar or if it disappears.

It seems that to think differently is a crime here, we don't have to agree.

5 minutes after writing this I probably forgot that you even exist, I only express my opinion.

You're more than free to express your opinion. It doesn't mean its a good one or that others aren't going to take you to task for it. No one is calling for you to be banned or arrested for it. So it seems more likely that you just have a hard time accepting criticism when you decide to share you're poorly thought out and uninformed opinions.

IndianaJames7 · October 2019

I'm sorry to break it to you, but companies do not just 'give money away'. This event is to promote their new content and continue with their dragon theme they have been pushing all year. They could have just as easily had a dragon event and not donated anything. Of course this is marketing, doesn't take away that its still pretty cool thing to do.

Heatnix90 · October 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

Help should always be selfless, ZOS expects something in return for helping, this is not charity, is Marketing.

God forbid a company use their marketing to promote charities. Next you'll say that people buying limited edition items designed to help charitable causes is also a sick and disgusting cash grab as well.

I'm no fan of ZOS but why is this even a thread? No one's got a gun to your head telling you to buy Elsweyr or else.

Chicharron · October 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

Help should always be selfless, ZOS expects something in return for helping, this is not charity, is Marketing.

News Flash. Its always marketing. Companies are in the business of earning revenue and turning a profit.

The funny thing about this drama is that regardless if ZOS makes a profit off of sales on Elsweyr or not in this time frame. 200,000 dollars is going to charities that could really use that money to do good. Because there is likely more than enough dedicated players who already own Elsweyr that can drum up enough activity to hit the 200k goal easily. They've also promoted the ability to directly donate if players so wish.

Is ZOS supposed to stop making a profit between now and when the charity event ends? Would that make you all feel better? I'm sure all the employees being laid off because of a lack of revenue over that time and the impending liabilities and expenses would surely be happy with that situation.

drama? feel better?

I don't care if ZOS gives 1 million or 1 dollar or if it disappears.

It seems that to think differently is a crime here, we don't have to agree.

5 minutes after writing this I probably forgot that you even exist, I only express my opinion.

You're more than free to express your opinion. It doesn't mean its a good one or that others aren't going to take you to task for it. No one is calling for you to be banned or arrested for it. So it seems more likely that you just have a hard time accepting criticism when you decide to share you're poorly thought out and uninformed opinions.

Not at all, I remain firm in what I said and nothing will change my mind.

Charity is giving without expecting anything in return.

Anyway... lets agree to disagree.

good night.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Chicharron wrote: »

Help should always be selfless, ZOS expects something in return for helping, this is not charity, is Marketing.

News Flash. Its always marketing. Companies are in the business of earning revenue and turning a profit.

The funny thing about this drama is that regardless if ZOS makes a profit off of sales on Elsweyr or not in this time frame. 200,000 dollars is going to charities that could really use that money to do good. Because there is likely more than enough dedicated players who already own Elsweyr that can drum up enough activity to hit the 200k goal easily. They've also promoted the ability to directly donate if players so wish.

Is ZOS supposed to stop making a profit between now and when the charity event ends? Would that make you all feel better? I'm sure all the employees being laid off because of a lack of revenue over that time and the impending liabilities and expenses would surely be happy with that situation.

drama? feel better?

I don't care if ZOS gives 1 million or 1 dollar or if it disappears.

It seems that to think differently is a crime here, we don't have to agree.

5 minutes after writing this I probably forgot that you even exist, I only express my opinion.

You're more than free to express your opinion. It doesn't mean its a good one or that others aren't going to take you to task for it. No one is calling for you to be banned or arrested for it. So it seems more likely that you just have a hard time accepting criticism when you decide to share you're poorly thought out and uninformed opinions.

Not at all, I remain firm in what I said and nothing will change my mind.

Charity is giving without expecting anything in return.

Anyway... lets agree to disagree.

good night.

You're still wrong.

ArchMikem · October 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

OF COURSE I COULD BE HORRIBLY WRONG I just see so many other options. So please don't stone me to death.

Yet you're so quick to throw stones at ZOS.