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SipofMaim✭✭✭✭NewVaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Its really funny how there were so many complaints in the past, and then it turns out that the grass is always greener on the other side.
You've seen Wrobel man... He was hated. He nerfed everyone. He caused Morrowind. He... was a hero. He was the one stopping Wheeler from getting his hands on combat lead spot.
We should have listened. But really, who could have imagined that Wrobel was the good guy?!
And yet nobody comes to the obvious conclusion: give us a year with the new guys after Wheeler and Co. eventually leave, and we'll be eulogizing the golden days with them too.
Nostalgia is a powerful drug.
People have short memories. Morrowind was such a fustercluck it took two years to recover from it, and PVP never has.3 -
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✭OldVaranisArano wrote: »Its really funny how there were so many complaints in the past, and then it turns out that the grass is always greener on the other side.
yeah this true. I can admit when i'm wrong, and i was wrong.
At with the old combat team there was still a semblance of what made ESO, ESO. not so much anymore.Edited by Lucky28 on September 29, 2019 1:00AMInvictus0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Idk I quitI dont think the MAIN problem is the combat team I think it is the management team2 -
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Ikr 🤣🤣Nordic__Knights wrote: »ThePhantomThorn wrote: »
They listen 😆 😆 😢 😢 😆 😆 😆 😢 😢 😆 😆 😆 😆
I just started laughing hysterically at the ‘do u main Templar?’
And the poop rocks...
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✭OldThePhantomThorn wrote: »
Ikr 🤣🤣Nordic__Knights wrote: »ThePhantomThorn wrote: »
They listen 😆 😆 😢 😢 😆 😆 😆 😢 😢 😆 😆 😆 😆
I just started laughing hysterically at the ‘do u main Templar?’
And the poop rocks...
It killed me to watch that live i was like wtf they just DON'T CARE FOR THIS GAME AT ALL nothing but skipping around trying to find a good spot to not look dumb at EVERY step of tilling US we're KILLING IT GO PLAY WOW NOW GOODBYE3 -
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✭✭✭NewMehrunesFlagon wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »New.
Old combat team was massively reactive to player complaints and performance. You could literally tell what was going to get curbstomped and what was going to get buffed by virtue of forum posts with absolutely zero respect to the system they had originally designed. If you failed to notice this, then you actually just suck at basic unbiased attribution. This is not to speak bad on Wrobel and Co, it was blatantly evident he had neither the tools nor people to handle the herculean task that we were demanding of him - he did his best and should be vindicated from the hate and vitriol thrown his way over many years.
New team is infinitely more proactive and have a clear and distinct vision in front of them that they are working towards. Which is exactly what the vast majority of self-affirmed forum juggernauts have been outright crying for. Now that it's happening and those same individuals are imploding, you can get first hand experience at seeing why self-affirmation isn't confirmation.
My ass.
The best thing about this patch is that it is much easier to tell whose posts contain no credible information within the sea of sweaty basement princes.0331
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✭Oldusmcjdking wrote: »MehrunesFlagon wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »New.
Old combat team was massively reactive to player complaints and performance. You could literally tell what was going to get curbstomped and what was going to get buffed by virtue of forum posts with absolutely zero respect to the system they had originally designed. If you failed to notice this, then you actually just suck at basic unbiased attribution. This is not to speak bad on Wrobel and Co, it was blatantly evident he had neither the tools nor people to handle the herculean task that we were demanding of him - he did his best and should be vindicated from the hate and vitriol thrown his way over many years.
New team is infinitely more proactive and have a clear and distinct vision in front of them that they are working towards. Which is exactly what the vast majority of self-affirmed forum juggernauts have been outright crying for. Now that it's happening and those same individuals are imploding, you can get first hand experience at seeing why self-affirmation isn't confirmation.
My ass.
The best thing about this patch is that it is much easier to tell whose posts contain no credible information within the sea of sweaty basement princes.
AND WHO WHITEKNIGHTS FOR AN BROKEN SYSTEM THAT ON ONE LIKES NOT EVEN THEM DOING SO6 -
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TheNightflame✭✭✭✭✭OldVaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Its really funny how there were so many complaints in the past, and then it turns out that the grass is always greener on the other side.
You've seen Wrobel man... He was hated. He nerfed everyone. He caused Morrowind. He... was a hero. He was the one stopping Wheeler from getting his hands on combat lead spot.
We should have listened. But really, who could have imagined that Wrobel was the good guy?!
And yet nobody comes to the obvious conclusion: give us a year with the new guys after Wheeler and Co. eventually leave, and we'll be eulogizing the golden days with them too.
Nostalgia is a powerful drug.
I disagree.
We've experienced both extremes: unbalanced, unaudited, unstandardized combat; and relatively balanced, audited, standardized combat. Even though it was far from the ideal (was unbalanced but had the potential to be balanced) people preferred the unaudited unstandardized combat that was created with the original team and leadEdited by TheNightflame on September 30, 2019 1:49AM3 -
Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭OldSorry to say it, but I have never seen a combat team swing this wildly from patch to patch - even in beta phases. I have been in two long term MMO betas before (both SWTOR and GW2) and even in beta they didn't swing this drastically from patch to patch.
Quite frankly, this team hasn't a clue what they are doing. It needs to be said because they are causing a LOT of players to leave the game because of the way they are doing things.
While I would love to see them get their act together, I am giving it three more months on my ESO+ sub and if I don't see it personally right course I will be moving on. Right now in the last week, me and a few (well 31 to be exact) guild members have started in on another game. We would like to stay in ESO but we cringe at the thought of how this current combat team is acting like this is an alpha game. Worse still, they are SELLING these skill lines now for $20-$30 a clip and messing with them like there is no consequence.Edited by Wayshuba on September 30, 2019 2:43AM4 -
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✭OldTheNightflame wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Its really funny how there were so many complaints in the past, and then it turns out that the grass is always greener on the other side.
You've seen Wrobel man... He was hated. He nerfed everyone. He caused Morrowind. He... was a hero. He was the one stopping Wheeler from getting his hands on combat lead spot.
We should have listened. But really, who could have imagined that Wrobel was the good guy?!
And yet nobody comes to the obvious conclusion: give us a year with the new guys after Wheeler and Co. eventually leave, and we'll be eulogizing the golden days with them too.
Nostalgia is a powerful drug.
I disagree.
We've experienced both extremes: unbalanced, unaudited, unstandardized combat; and relatively balanced, audited, standardized combat. Even though it was far from the ideal (was unbalanced but had the potential to be balanced) people preferred the unaudited unstandardized combat that was created with the original team and lead
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Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭Oldoh jeezus, Dottz laughing made me ROFLMAO
You know what is truly sad about this? These are you well-known community promoters of ESO and now the combat team is doing such a bang-up job (and I mean that very sarcastically), they are losing the people that promote the game.
Mark my words, if ESO doesn't reel this in fast (like as in before U24 launches) you are going to see a massive drop in the player base. Just watch. Seen this too many times in other MMOs to not know when it is coming.
Oh well. The ride in ESO was good for the 2.5 years it lasted. Then they let this combat team loose and it is rapidly coming to an end as a result.Edited by Wayshuba on September 30, 2019 3:36AM4 -
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Yh but they could have just made stam frags and curse rather than a sorc relentless...TheNightflame wrote: »I will say though, i like the new bound armaments
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Jem_Kindheart✭✭✭✭OldNordic__Knights wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »MehrunesFlagon wrote: »usmcjdking wrote: »New.
Old combat team was massively reactive to player complaints and performance. You could literally tell what was going to get curbstomped and what was going to get buffed by virtue of forum posts with absolutely zero respect to the system they had originally designed. If you failed to notice this, then you actually just suck at basic unbiased attribution. This is not to speak bad on Wrobel and Co, it was blatantly evident he had neither the tools nor people to handle the herculean task that we were demanding of him - he did his best and should be vindicated from the hate and vitriol thrown his way over many years.
New team is infinitely more proactive and have a clear and distinct vision in front of them that they are working towards. Which is exactly what the vast majority of self-affirmed forum juggernauts have been outright crying for. Now that it's happening and those same individuals are imploding, you can get first hand experience at seeing why self-affirmation isn't confirmation.
My ass.
The best thing about this patch is that it is much easier to tell whose posts contain no credible information within the sea of sweaty basement princes.
AND WHO WHITEKNIGHTS FOR AN BROKEN SYSTEM THAT ON ONE LIKES NOT EVEN THEM DOING SO
Srsly. Been watching a particular person whiteknighting the nerfhammer and broken system awhile now while belittling everyone who is simply exhausted of huge swings each quarter. It's not even the dps reduction ppl are displeased with or x nerf or y nerf as much as a general population upset that the gigantic sweeps set their quarterly progress back.. Quarterly... Lol. This sentiment is easy to recognize in guild chat, zone chat, discord, forums, trial endgamer chatter in craglorn, and pvpers in cyrodil. Idk how the whiteknighters misread it as 'just a few QQers in one forum who cant git gud' lol. It's population wide and source wide.Longtimer since beta, the usual. 26 CP toons. ~1700cp on main account, 1000cp on 2nd account. Endgame-ish lol. Most Vets / some HM's cleared.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »It's the size of the team that seems to be the prob.
But I thought size doesn't matter?
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✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »It's the size of the team that seems to be the prob.
But I thought size doesn't matter?
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Well it does. Look at update 24. Everyone is dissatisfied : D
As a matter of fact the marriege between players and zos is going down hill for years
#biggerisbetterEdited by GeorgeBlack on September 30, 2019 4:18AM2 -
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It doesn't its how far it swings and with the new team its a lot both ways with no length of time in betweenGeorgeBlack wrote: »It's the size of the team that seems to be the prob.
But I thought size doesn't matter?
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✭OldThe old team because they didn’t remodel, or “improve,” two good maps.
It’s been one f-up after another with these guys.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewThey just seem understaffed.
My credit will always go towards the team that removed easy one button hardcounters from the game though.<Noricum>
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✭NewI can't really tell because the new one hasn't been here for long enough, and this poll is not remotely intended to be unbiased xD
One thing I am sure of... I like what they are doing, and I think the major issue is "when" they are doing it.
This general audit should have been done earlier. The old combat system had a lot of flaws that shouldn't have been here in the first place. They're trying to fix that, and they get the hate because we were used to how things were. Will they succeed and make the combat system right? I don't know, they just started, and for now, I only see reactions and not actual impact on how the game is played on the long term.PC - EU - France - AD
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Its really funny how there were so many complaints in the past, and then it turns out that the grass is always greener on the other side.
I don't really see this as being the case. Most of the contentious changes came out of left field and the response is usually, at least in the player communities I follow, "who asked for this?!" Class reps are usually as baffled and frustrated as everyone else.
I don't think the individuals in the combat team are to blame. Recent history shows that changing the people didn't change the results. ZOS has had an overarching goal of raising the floor and lowering the ceiling for years and I think that's what drives most changes.
They designed a complex and fast paced game that their most profitable audience seems to have difficulty mastering. First they nerfed the content and lately they've been adjusting other aspects of the game to make it easier to digest.
In a recent ESO live, they state they have a goal of closing the gap between good and bad builds. Basically, they're nerfing their own ruleset. I think they want their most casual players with any build to be able to show up to a pick up raid and be accepted and be able to contribute whether they have a grasp of the game or not.
https://clips.twitch.tv/SpinelessComfortableHorseradishNomNomEdited by zyk on September 30, 2019 8:39AM4 -
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✭OldVaranisArano wrote: »Its really funny how there were so many complaints in the past, and then it turns out that the grass is always greener on the other side.
I don't really see this as being the case. Most of the contentious changes came out of left field and the response is usually, at least in the player communities I follow, "who asked for this?!" Class reps are usually as baffled and frustrated as everyone else.
I don't think the individuals in the combat team are to blame. Recent history shows that changing the people didn't change the results. ZOS has had an overarching goal of raising the floor and lowering the ceiling for years and I think that's what drives most changes.
They designed a complex and fast paced game that their most profitable audience seems to have difficulty mastering. First they nerfed the content and lately they've been adjusting other aspects of the game to make it easier to digest.
In a recent ESO live, they state they have a goal of closing the gap between good and bad builds. Basically, they're nerfing their own ruleset. I think they want their most casual players with any build to be able to show up to a pick up raid and be accepted and be able to contribute whether they have a grasp of the game or not.
but will that game be fun ? Myself big part of the fun is gone due to the swings from one patch to another if they have this master plan why dont they do all the work in house then when done open it to an platform wide pts that everyone pc ps4 xbox can test it out on then after review and feedback release it not make it an 2 year thing *** up the game 4 to 5 times just trying to get there0 -
Swiftnoodle✭✭✭Idk I quitVaranisArano wrote: »Its really funny how there were so many complaints in the past, and then it turns out that the grass is always greener on the other side.
I don't really see this as being the case. Most of the contentious changes came out of left field and the response is usually, at least in the player communities I follow, "who asked for this?!" Class reps are usually as baffled and frustrated as everyone else.
I don't think the individuals in the combat team are to blame. Recent history shows that changing the people didn't change the results. ZOS has had an overarching goal of raising the floor and lowering the ceiling for years and I think that's what drives most changes.
They designed a complex and fast paced game that their most profitable audience seems to have difficulty mastering. First they nerfed the content and lately they've been adjusting other aspects of the game to make it easier to digest.
In a recent ESO live, they state they have a goal of closing the gap between good and bad builds. Basically, they're nerfing their own ruleset. I think they want their most casual players with any build to be able to show up to a pick up raid and be accepted and be able to contribute whether they have a grasp of the game or not.
https://clips.twitch.tv/SpinelessComfortableHorseradishNomNom
Thanks for the stream part! Can't believe they really said that.
I watched the stream a couple of days ago but didn't endured it to the end (skipped some of it).
At that time I thought they are idiots. But now I am angry too.
As much as I love the world, the story, atmosphere ... I get more and more bored, depressed and annoyed lately.
And I always feared the game to become a cheap, money grab...
Not much hope left.
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✭✭✭✭✭It obviously doesn’t matter who heads up the team or who is on it. Same out of touch changes and straight mind boggling changes. Wrobel always said he was unfairly targeted. Maybe he was right. Perhaps someone is running the show or they have some weird formula to follow that makes it so no matter how is running the show on paper, behind the scenes something else is going on.3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u0fbBnur9Sg