Unless you are going for leaderboards on vet trials, I don’t think it matters. In one of his videos about the upcoming patch, I seem to remember him saying Redguard DKs are a good tank choice. Mine has never had a problem in Vet content and I don’t think it will post patch.

Stay DK.

Jayroo wrote: »

But with this new patch coming, I feel like I'm going to be a 3rd pick over NB tanks and warden tanks

What makes you feel that way? Real question.

From what I see I feel things will largely stay as they are for now. Wardens have a spot in HL groups so that they can have a Templar and a Sorc as healers. Nightblades are very good in vSS (almost a must in HM) but sub-par otherwise. DKs are still the go-to class for main tanking. At least that's what I see in the groups I know.

And keep in mind that's for heavily optimized groups. Most groups I play with stick to DK only, unless one of the players genuinely prefers playing another class as a tank (and is good at it).

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Unless you are going for leaderboards on vet trials, I don’t think it matters. In one of his videos about the upcoming patch, I seem to remember him saying Redguard DKs are a good tank choice. Mine has never had a problem in Vet content and I don’t think it will post patch.

What is the argument for Redguards, or what kind of build? One Redguard passive reduces weapon skill costs, and the two most obvious tank weapon skills are pretty cheap, so what else? Just Blockade? Also the shield bubble from the 1H&S line? The root from the bow? (If so, why, given how good the Fighter's Guild one has become?)

Why don't you wait for the next-next patch and then they will nerf what they buffed the last time and maybe buff what they nerf from the last patch. It's a never ending cycle.

DK has been the undisputed meta tank for 5 1/2 years. I don't tank so I don't have a horse in this race, but the prospect of other classes possibly entering the tanking meta is good for the game.

DK tank has quite a few advantages in terms of healing and general resource management:
- one of the strongest burst heals (Draconic Power: Green Dragon Blood)
- easy access to Major Mending (Earthen Heart: Fragmented Shield)
- bonuses to healing received from class passives (Draconic Power: Burning Heart, Minor Vitality from GDB)
- passives that restore stamina (Earthen Heart: Helping Hands & Battle Roar)
- passive that gives Minor Brutality to the group (Earthen Heart: Mountain's Blessing)
- passive spell resistance bonus (Draconic Power: Scaled Armor)
- passive bonus blocking mitigation (Draconic Power: Iron Skin)
- decreased damage from projectiles (Draconic Power: Reflective Plate)
- AoE Minor Maim & root (Draconic Power: choking talons)
- AoE Interrupt (Draconic Power: Deep Breath)
- short duration near invulnerability (Earthen Heart: Magma Shell)
- pull & Major Expedition (Ardent Flame: Unrelenting Grip)

Overall DK tank only loses the bonus from Engulfing Flames, since it can't hit that 3.3K spell damage needed to fully apply it. But if you can always bring a Magicka DK buffer DD to run that skill and Z'en's Redress if you have more magicka DDs in the group. If your group is mostly stamina - and they tend to be that way this patch, and probably the next - Engulfing Flames is not a needed buff.

Next patch Warden tanks closes in due to gaining access to Minor Vulnerability (Animal Companions: Growing Swarm) and NB tank stays mostly the same. But DK still has all the goodies in a single package, so IMO remains the strongest class in this regard.

Yeah the biggest hoo haa was the healing changes... I've literally not noticed any difference. I am still spamming my heals and sustaining like a baows.

Note that the general state of healing in the game is a different issue. The ability to heal and keep groups alive, remained largely the same, for a decent healer.

Now... the Magsorc changes... different matter, screwed my build. DPS actually went up a tad, if anything on a target dummy, but in real world, survivability is massively reduced, to the point I am considering re slotting crit surge even though it is gimped, maybe that will give back some survivability...

D0PAMINE wrote: »

mocap wrote: »

anyone can tell me why dk tank rip next update?

Trying to figure this out as well. I seriously doubt DK's will become trash as tanks because of this update.

DOT nerfs,this affects pvp dk's more I think.

Broyston wrote: »

"Dragon Blood tops out the health in single cast in most cases"
"one of the strongest burst heals (Draconic Power: Green Dragon Blood)"
Love my DK tank, but your Dragon Blood skill is doing something mine isn't, I don't think it is a great burst heal, since it only heals a % of missing health not total health (it used to back in the day....). Now since you are likely to have high health it will give a reasonable return, but having to wait until you are pretty much dead to get the best result is not fantastic. Using it at 40% health remaining only gives you 20% health back (not withstanding other modifiers obviously, but even major mending isn't going to help out that much).

If you put 100 CP in Blessed and already have it and Fragmented Shield active, GDB can heal for 47-48% of your missing health, and it can also crit on top of that - having 100 CP in Elf Born or Precise Strikes, depending which of your Spell and Weapon crit si higher can add 75% bonus to that when you do crit (base crit bonus is 50%) . Theoretically the sorcerer clannfear heal can be stronger since it's 34% of your maximum health, but you don't have the same multipliers: Minor Vitality, unique Draconic Power class passives, Major Mending. So it's not uncommon to bounce back from <30% to almost full health. Also dropping under 50% isn't that bad, since you have a lot of mitigation, and you can increase that further by going vampire stage III (Undeath). Since you're capped at spell resistance the flame damage won't be that strong.

You can still hit 8% engulfing damage increase with major/minor courage and sorcery + nirn mainhand with wpndmg glyph on weapon. That's barely making any sacrifices to our actual builds as they are now, and those buffs are possible to get even in 4 man content, let alone trials. I think they hit nail on the head with 333 sd/percentage of EF debuff where you can support your group as a Dk tank, but it's preferable to get magDK for maximum impact.

But DK will still be really good tank. Nothing really changed about them. Still best resource management, still good offensive utility for groups, both mag or stam. It's nice to see some other classes tanking as well these days, but DK will still be amazing.

Aerenel wrote: »

DK/Templar healers, NB/Warden tanks, Necro/Sorc dps.

You get all the passives and buffs you need and the least weak classes remaining to do damage.

Almost right:
NB and DK tanks
Warden and Templar healer
Necro and Sorc dps

You’re crazy if you run a Warden tank instead of a DK. DKs haven’t been nerfed at all and lack the aoe healing and sustain to pve heal, people are either trolling or ignorant.

Stebarnz wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Aerenel wrote: »

DK/Templar healers, NB/Warden tanks, Necro/Sorc dps.

You get all the passives and buffs you need and the least weak classes remaining to do damage.

Almost right:
NB and DK tanks
Warden and Templar healer
Necro and Sorc dps

You’re crazy if you run a Warden tank instead of a DK. DKs haven’t been nerfed at all and lack the aoe healing and sustain to pve heal, people are either trolling or ignorant.

You talking purely trials?

I tank vet trials with Templar & Sorc haven't seen any issues.

Everyone pulls stuff from their heads including the guy above who listed a score of DK abilities
Forgetting that to cast them needs more Magicka than a Magicka Sorcerer DPS.