YES! A VIABLE HYBRID BUILD? THANK YOU ZOS! I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS!
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
What monster set did you use?
@starkerealm
Valk.
Oh okay
I'd still like to test it out with Kena, Balorg or Grundwulf.
See how far can you really take it!
On anything other than a Warden, Kena's a recipe for disaster. Might be able to make it work with a DK, but that's still going to be a hard resource strain. Balorg won't show up on the character sheet. Though, you can do the math to figure out what you'd get pretty easily.
Grundwulf would help with resources, though, again, it wouldn't show up on the sheet.
If I was going to actually test this seriously, I'd start with a NB, Sorc, or Templar. Probably the Sorc.
Oh man I can't wait for the weekend to start so I can download the PTS again and go try it all out. I'm pretty sure this can work just fine and will surprise a lot of people.
Especially on a nightblade or dragon knight.Edited by Nyladreas on September 20, 2019 8:26AM2 -
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
Those stats are LOW! So you give up 20k Max Magicka so you can run 30k Stam...YOU can lol1 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
Those stats are LOW! So you give up 20k Max Magicka so you can run 30k Stam...YOU can lol
It's not for a glass cannon shield spamming magsorc lmao.4 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Good for you, OP. I'm on console, so I can't get on PTS. But, based on what has been shown and discussed, I think I'll swap my MagDK to stamdk and run either DW/Inferno or 2h/Inferno with an even split across all three attributes.
Sure, it's...different, but maybe this is ZOS's plan."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
Those stats are LOW! So you give up 20k Max Magicka so you can run 30k Stam...YOU can lol
Spoken like someone who's never seen a stam stat spread. Damage is a little soft, and this would do better on a class with access to Sorcery and Brutality, but, those are both manageable, and it'll get it's spell damage into a range you don't know what to do with.2 -
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✭now all they need to do is get rid of champion points and it will be.“Whatever.”
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HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭JumpmanLane wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
Those stats are LOW! So you give up 20k Max Magicka so you can run 30k Stam...YOU can lol
Those stats are pretty workable actually! The low recoveries wont matter that much since you have 2 stat pools to pull from.2 -
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✭Now you've done it. You let them know you are happy with something. Expect incoming nerfs.4 -
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✭DISCLAIMER: This post is majorly based on a PVP perspective, as I am not sure whether this would beat any setups in PvE.
I just want to say....
I am SO happy for New Moon Acolyte set:
(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical and Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1487 Physical Penetration and Spell Penetration
(5 items) Adds 481 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage. Increase the cost of your active abilities by 5%.
Finally some new good direction in terms of hybrid builds. It's a sort of hope shining in the distance for now.
It tells me that Zenimax has yet not completely buried the hybrid spec idea!!!!!!!
Combine it with a set like Shacklebraker
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery, Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) Adds 2000 Maximum Stamina, Adds 2000 Maximum Magicka
or Innate Axiom
(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical, Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell and Weapon Damage to your Class abilities.
Then Pick a Dark Elf:
Dynamic Rank III: Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Ruination Rank III: Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258
Get bitten and become a Vampire:
Supernatural Recovery Rank II: Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%.
AND THEN Pick the Lover Mundus Stone:
Increases Physical and Spell Penetration by 2752
(Up to 4196 with 7 Legendary Divine Traits)
...and you have some very interesting and functional hybrid build. Just gotta find a good matching Monster set for this and you're good to go!
Grundwulf:
(1 item) Adds 833 Weapon & Spell Critical
(2 item) Whenever you deal critical damage, restore 1000 Magicka or Stamina, whichever maximum is higher. You also gain 500 of the other resource. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.
**for really good sustain if you wanna run pure melee weapons or pure magicka weapons!
Balorg:
(1 item) Adds 129 Weapon & Spell Damage
(2 items) When you use an Ultimate ability, you gain Weapon Damage and Spell Damage for 10 seconds equal to twice the amount of total Ultimate consumed.
**for even more Damage Boost!
Or any of the defensive monster sets because yes... You WILL be squishy, although Heavy Armor already seems like THE BEST candidate for a hybrid build! YAY FOR REAL BATTLEMAGES!
I am SO BLOODY EXCITED!
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert THANK YOU SO MUCH AND PLEASE NERF-PROOF THESE! DON'T LET THE NOOBS DESTROY THIS WITH THEIR WHINE!
This ain't bad, but have you considered instead of Shackle Breaker, going with Mechanical Acuity? When looking at the screen shot in this thread, the Crit is quite low, which Mechanical Acuity can help with giving you some guaranteed streaks of crits.
Mechanical Acuity
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina and 1096 Maximum Magicka.
(5 items) When you deal direct damage, you have a 15% chance to gain unerring mechanical vision for 5 seconds, causing your attacks to always be a Critical Strike. This effect can occur once every 18 seconds.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
Those stats are LOW! So you give up 20k Max Magicka so you can run 30k Stam...YOU can lol
Those stats are pretty workable actually! The low recoveries wont matter that much since you have 2 stat pools to pull from.
No, it doesn't work. I played pelinal hybrid for last months and I was of course investing in WD as much as possible in the beginning with rather low recoveries like 900 magicka/1400 stam... sucked dry of stamina after like 30 seconds encounter by all the break frees.. 1700 stam recovery is minimum, otherwise you can't break free and is as good as dead. And that was on DK with additional sustain from helping hands and battle roar.
This if hybrid is stamina based... if magicka based you need ton of magicka recovery to keep heals/shields up, magicka is much more expensive, especially given that OP is going to use heavy armor AND +5% cost from new moon. So you can't get away with such lower recoveries..1 -
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✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
Those stats are LOW! So you give up 20k Max Magicka so you can run 30k Stam...YOU can lol
Those stats are pretty workable actually! The low recoveries wont matter that much since you have 2 stat pools to pull from.
No, it doesn't work. I played pelinal hybrid for last months and I was of course investing in WD as much as possible in the beginning with rather low recoveries like 900 magicka/1400 stam... sucked dry of stamina after like 30 seconds encounter by all the break frees.. 1700 stam recovery is minimum, otherwise you can't break free and is as good as dead. And that was on DK with additional sustain from helping hands and battle roar.
This if hybrid is stamina based... if magicka based you need ton of magicka recovery to keep heals/shields up, magicka is much more expensive, especially given that OP is going to use heavy armor AND +5% cost from new moon. So you can't get away with such lower recoveries..
Oof for some reason I was thinking that this was for PVE since it was in General Discussion.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
Those stats are LOW! So you give up 20k Max Magicka so you can run 30k Stam...YOU can lol
Those stats are pretty workable actually! The low recoveries wont matter that much since you have 2 stat pools to pull from.
No, it doesn't work. I played pelinal hybrid for last months and I was of course investing in WD as much as possible in the beginning with rather low recoveries like 900 magicka/1400 stam... sucked dry of stamina after like 30 seconds encounter by all the break frees.. 1700 stam recovery is minimum, otherwise you can't break free and is as good as dead. And that was on DK with additional sustain from helping hands and battle roar.
This if hybrid is stamina based... if magicka based you need ton of magicka recovery to keep heals/shields up, magicka is much more expensive, especially given that OP is going to use heavy armor AND +5% cost from new moon. So you can't get away with such lower recoveries..
Oof for some reason I was thinking that this was for PVE since it was in General Discussion.
I mean, I was looking at this for PvE. If that was a PvP stat block, I'd be running crit resist.1 -
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✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
Those stats are LOW! So you give up 20k Max Magicka so you can run 30k Stam...YOU can lol
It's not for a glass cannon shield spamming magsorc lmao.
You give up 1900 effective spell damage. If you can’t build close to 50k Max Magicka on a MagDk that ain’t a glass cannon. You’re doing it wrong.
You’re giving up too much damage for a cutesy niche build. Go Max Stam or go Max Magicka. Hybrids, even with those new sets, are trash vs a min-maxed Stam or mag build.
[Edit to remove bait]Edited by [Deleted User] on September 21, 2019 7:40PM0 -
EtTuBrutus✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
You can get better stats on live with different sets. Those regens are unsustainable as well.1 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"Hybrid"
More like instead of consuming either the green or blue resource, you're consuming a bit of both while being worse. ESO has no class diversity.5 -
regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭DISCLAIMER: This post is majorly based on a PVP perspective, as I am not sure whether this would beat any setups in PvE.
I just want to say....
I am SO happy for New Moon Acolyte set:
(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical and Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1487 Physical Penetration and Spell Penetration
(5 items) Adds 481 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage. Increase the cost of your active abilities by 5%.
Finally some new good direction in terms of hybrid builds. It's a sort of hope shining in the distance for now.
It tells me that Zenimax has yet not completely buried the hybrid spec idea!!!!!!!
Combine it with a set like Shacklebraker
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery, Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) Adds 2000 Maximum Stamina, Adds 2000 Maximum Magicka
or Innate Axiom
(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical, Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell and Weapon Damage to your Class abilities.
Then Pick a Dark Elf:
Dynamic Rank III: Increases Max Magicka and Max Stamina by 1875
Ruination Rank III: Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258
Get bitten and become a Vampire:
Supernatural Recovery Rank II: Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%.
AND THEN Pick the Lover Mundus Stone:
Increases Physical and Spell Penetration by 2752
(Up to 4196 with 7 Legendary Divine Traits)
...and you have some very interesting and functional hybrid build. Just gotta find a good matching Monster set for this and you're good to go!
Grundwulf:
(1 item) Adds 833 Weapon & Spell Critical
(2 item) Whenever you deal critical damage, restore 1000 Magicka or Stamina, whichever maximum is higher. You also gain 500 of the other resource. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.
**for really good sustain if you wanna run pure melee weapons or pure magicka weapons!
Balorg:
(1 item) Adds 129 Weapon & Spell Damage
(2 items) When you use an Ultimate ability, you gain Weapon Damage and Spell Damage for 10 seconds equal to twice the amount of total Ultimate consumed.
**for even more Damage Boost!
Or any of the defensive monster sets because yes... You WILL be squishy, although Heavy Armor already seems like THE BEST candidate for a hybrid build! YAY FOR REAL BATTLEMAGES!
I am SO BLOODY EXCITED!
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert THANK YOU SO MUCH AND PLEASE NERF-PROOF THESE! DON'T LET THE NOOBS DESTROY THIS WITH THEIR WHINE!
Lol you will get BURSTED going this route.3 -
regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am running hybrid on PTS with almost same set up, it's good. But pure mag or Stam still out perform it
Yes I can imagine that's still the case, the only thing we're missing now is some sort of armor skill line or passives that would support a hybrid setup... and of course... A CP system that isn't so forcefully one sided in terms of damage type.
You can utilize the CP tree to cater towards a hybrid build. I make hybrids.0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
This was just a quick prototype setup.
LOOK AT THAT STAT TABLE! AMAZING!
I'm guessing the damage attributes are unbuffed?
Dual wield swords, nirn + sharpened? I feel like that 5% damage could be used again as it once was.
Also, What monster set did you use?@starkerealm
Those stats are LOW! So you give up 20k Max Magicka so you can run 30k Stam...YOU can lol
Those stats are pretty workable actually! The low recoveries wont matter that much since you have 2 stat pools to pull from.
No, it doesn't work. I played pelinal hybrid for last months and I was of course investing in WD as much as possible in the beginning with rather low recoveries like 900 magicka/1400 stam... sucked dry of stamina after like 30 seconds encounter by all the break frees.. 1700 stam recovery is minimum, otherwise you can't break free and is as good as dead. And that was on DK with additional sustain from helping hands and battle roar.
This if hybrid is stamina based... if magicka based you need ton of magicka recovery to keep heals/shields up, magicka is much more expensive, especially given that OP is going to use heavy armor AND +5% cost from new moon. So you can't get away with such lower recoveries..
Oof for some reason I was thinking that this was for PVE since it was in General Discussion.
I mean, I was looking at this for PvE. If that was a PvP stat block, I'd be running crit resist.
I'd love to say PvE but I knew from the second that I opened that thread, that I'd get an instant influx of PvE elitists bashing the whole discussion into oblivion if I even as much as mentioned it. That's why @starkerealm
Sadly, I have yet to meet a PvE person that wouldn't instantly make me feel horrible and question everything about their life. I know you guys aren't all bad, but I don't do PvE anymore because of how toxic, intolerant and inconsiderate everyone there is.Edited by Nyladreas on September 21, 2019 5:37AM2 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Even without CP your max resources will always be lower than a pure build, meaning damage will always be lower.
So I still don't see a hybrid being better than a pure build for dealing damage - especially in PvE (where pure damage is even more important)
I smashed on pure mag or stam characters with a hybrid so not necessarily. Where as I can utilize ALL of my skills whether a combination of magicka and stamina, those with pure magicka or stamina cannot. I can hit you with more things then you can.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd love to say PvE but I knew from the second that I opened that thread, that I'd get an instant influx of PvE elitists bashing the whole discussion into oblivion if I even as much as mentioned it. That's why @starkerealm
Yep, welcome to the forums.Sadly, I have yet to meet a PvE person that wouldn't instantly make me feel horrible and question everything about their life. I know you guys aren't all bad, but I don't do PvE anymore because of how toxic, intolerant and inconsiderate everyone there is.
Well, hey, I'm not a complete dumpster fire, most of the time. So, there's one.1 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »I'd love to say PvE but I knew from the second that I opened that thread, that I'd get an instant influx of PvE elitists bashing the whole discussion into oblivion if I even as much as mentioned it. That's why @starkerealm
Yep, welcome to the forums.Sadly, I have yet to meet a PvE person that wouldn't instantly make me feel horrible and question everything about their life. I know you guys aren't all bad, but I don't do PvE anymore because of how toxic, intolerant and inconsiderate everyone there is.
Well, hey, I'm not a complete dumpster fire, most of the time. So, there's one.
And thank you for that.2 -
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✭✭✭✭This thread is another great example of folks overeacting to the word "viable."
Is this sort of build viable for most PvE content? Absolutely. Is it viable for a fair amount of PvP, including (most likely) the style of PvP OP enjoys? Probably.
"Viable" just means you can make it work. It doesn't mean optimal/best/top-tier. Hybrids are 100% viable for lots of things.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub6 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »This thread is another great example of folks overeacting to the word "viable."
Is this sort of build viable for most PvE content? Absolutely. Is it viable for a fair amount of PvP, including (most likely) the style of PvP OP enjoys? Probably.
"Viable" just means you can make it work. It doesn't mean optimal/best/top-tier. Hybrids are 100% viable for lots of things.
Thank you! That's exactly what was the point of the thread. To show a build that is "effectively usable" and enjoyable, but of course not perfect.
I think a lot of folks in this game are constantly filled with unexplainable and unjustified anger at about everything possitive.
And I'm really failing to understand why...Edited by Nyladreas on September 21, 2019 1:17PM1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »This thread is another great example of folks overeacting to the word "viable."
Is this sort of build viable for most PvE content? Absolutely. Is it viable for a fair amount of PvP, including (most likely) the style of PvP OP enjoys? Probably.
"Viable" just means you can make it work. It doesn't mean optimal/best/top-tier. Hybrids are 100% viable for lots of things.
This one's shaping up to be viable for most of the easier endgame PvE content. I'm looking forward to what they do with this long term.0 -
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✭I just feel bad for slowing down the rest of my group because of my own selfish playstyle. Should THEY have to take extra time and care because I deliberately choose to be half strength?1 -
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✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I just feel bad for slowing down the rest of my group because of my own selfish playstyle. Should THEY have to take extra time and care because I deliberately choose to be half strength?
Why the should anyone limit himself based on opinions or wants or needs of others. What.... You're playing this game, you're PAYING for this game from your own pocket, you should BE ABLE TO play the way you want to.
I can imagine anyone playing with a build like this or anything that's actually fun, hangs out with people that wouldn't be so inconsiderate to limit someone's play-style based on THEIR DESIRED SELFISH requirements.
You see where both of our comments here are wrong? Both sides in this situation can be seen as selfish.
Either way, I'll gladly take a fun custom build over meta any day and just hang out with friends that are like-minded. Cause why even play if it's just me doing what other people want. I think that's being unfair to yourself.Edited by Nyladreas on September 21, 2019 5:23PM0 -
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✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I just feel bad for slowing down the rest of my group because of my own selfish playstyle. Should THEY have to take extra time and care because I deliberately choose to be half strength?
Why the should anyone limit himself based on opinions or wants or needs of others. What.... You're playing this game, you're PAYING for this game from your own pocket, you should BE ABLE TO play the way you want to.
I can imagine anyone playing with a build like this or anything that's actually fun, hangs out with people that wouldn't be so inconsiderate to limit someone's play-style based on THEIR DESIRED SELFISH requirements.
You see where both of our comments here are wrong? Both sides in this situation can be seen as selfish.
Either way, I'll gladly take a fun custom build over meta any day and just hang out with friends that are like-minded. Cause why even play if it's just me doing what other people want. I think that's being unfair to yourself.
My friends are pretty good at the game. They’d be like “come duel me.” Blow me up. Then be like “what are you running? TAKE THAT OFF.”
It’s a game. It should be fun for you. Run what you want. The op is excited about running hybrid. Cool. But hybrids still don’t work better than a min-maxed Stam or mag build. Not even close to being competitive.
I personally like the competition. PvP and mopping fools. It just seems silly (to me) to run a subpar build.Edited by JumpmanLane on September 21, 2019 9:13PM1 -
CipherNine✭✭✭✭✭You can make hybrid builds work for a lot of the content in the game, yes.
But it will never be viable for the true end game. They never will be until ZOS gets rid of damage scaling off of your resource pool. Which is just dumb to begin with.
They should be resource pools only. Damage should only scale off of passive in CP Tree, weapon and spell damage, gear bonuses.PC-NA
Khajiit Templar - Healer
Argonian Necromancer - Healer
Breton Warden - Healer
Nord Necromancer - Tank
Argonian Templar - Tank
Nord Warden - Tank3