HOTs - Suggestion, lower heals in PVP for U24

Casterial · September 2019

Hi ZOS,

So, HOTs got the same buff as DOTs in U23. I believe most of our HOT tooltips went up greatly just like our DOTs. Heres the thing, by nerfing DOTs majorly HOTs will need to fall in line. Tested this with a friend. I put all my DPS on him and he used 2 HOTs and just out healed all my damage. On live he needs to kite, shield, heal. On the PTS he needs to only use 2 HOTs to out heal my damage.

Yes, I can combo and that'll start breaking him down, but then once the combo time is down he just uses the 2 HOTs and outheals.

While I do think HOTs need a nerf, this is indirectly because our secondary damage source (DOTs) are complete garbage right now.

So in conclusion, either HOTs must be scaled back, or DOTs must be scaled up.

Tested against @Araxleon

example data w/ math below

Correct it also, I want it accurate

Casterial · September 2019

Example data: USING CP AND 50% NERF

Test Subject: @Araxleon H: 26k
Damager: @Casterial

RAW TOOLTIP

Rending Slashes
2800 Physical damage (x2 each weapon)
7465/10second

Biting Jabs (Can't really tell because of the bug)
~4.2k/jab (16400)

Power Of The Light:
4224 Damage
Stores:18261

50% TOOLTIP

Apply 50% nerf to damage
Rending: 7465/10seconds = 746.5/second (50%) = 373.25‬ / second for 10 seconds
2800x2 = 5600 (50) = 2,800

Biting Jabs:
16400 (50%) = 8,200/second, (calculating only 3 for realistic)

POTL: 18261+3652.2+4224 (50%) =13,068.6 (6seconds)

In a 10 second period I do
~19,600 + 32,800 = 52,400 in 10 seconds

HOT

HOT1 - 21,500 (5 seconds) (x2) = 52,400 (50%) = 21,500
Heal1- 800/hit/inpvp

ARMOR DEDUCTION

[Factor in armor (24kres) = ~35% + 10% (hardy)=45% deduction

SIMULATED RESULTS:(No Crit)

formula: totalAfterArmRed = (52,400) * totalArmors (45%)
totalAfterArmRed (23580) - hotTotal (21,500) =damageDoneAfterHot
totalHealthOfTarget (26,000)- damageDoneAfterHot (2080) = Result

After 6-10 seconds: (6 second window)
nocrit | Result = (~6s)23,920 health remaining

ACTUAL RESULTS

Testing the 1hot he remains about 19-21k health in 6 seconds of me bursting:
rending + POTL + Brutality + 3 jabs, 21k health out of 26k health.

RESULTS (after HOT ends)
min | 21,000 Health Remaining
max| 19,000 Health Remaining

If you add in shields this is why Stamina is going to have a tougher time with Magicka.

Iskiab · September 2019

Your math is way off. Did you actually test it? Healing is cut by 50% as well.

In BG higher MMR there are almost no dots as is and people do die. I don’t see an issue.

Casterial · September 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Your math is way off. Did you actually test it? Healing is cut by 50% as well.

In BG higher MMR there are almost no dots as is and people do die. I don’t see an issue.

We tested it over and over.

5 test, this was the result for all 5.
Are you on the PTS? Because this is relevant to U24 and CP. We are testing via duels he remains at ~19H-21kH /26H
So in 6 seconds of bursting w/ no ult and assuming I only get 3 jabs in (for testing I did).
3 jabs + potl + rending and the result was he had 4-5k health missing.

Casterial · September 2019

re-worded it for clarity

Thanks

Austinseph1 · September 2019

Or just lower healing through battle spirit if it is actually over preforming in PvP so it doesn’t screw over the hardest PvE content that struggles with heals since healing changes.

Casterial · September 2019

Austinseph1 wrote: »

Or just lower healing through battle spirit if it is actually over preforming in PvP so it doesn’t screw over the hardest PvE content that struggles with heals since healing changes.

This is a fantastic idea! @Austinseph1

Casterial · September 2019

Bump for viewing, @ZOS_BrianWheeler